Non-white males - people or not?

[I Miss Trudeau]

Any thoughts?

[Digby]

well im a white hetrosexual male and i been getting the feeling lately that we been desinated sub humans .

alot of goverment positions now they don't want us .

And one time a few years ago I :angry: called the department of human rights about being discriminated against .

the answer was . yes sir you are being discriminated against BUT . Your not native nor Black and your not a woman and we are only here to serve minioritys .

Can a white hetrosexual male be discriminated against or are we always just the guilty party?

[Slavik44]

well considering one of the benifiets of being a person is being a person, designating someone as sub-human would violate that right. But hey nice approach to starting a topic on gay marrage.

[I Miss Trudeau]

But its just a name. I specifically stated that they were full persons in practice.

[Slavik44]

But its just a name. I specifically stated that they were full persons in practice.

well then they cannot be sub persons in theory if they are full persons in practice.

[PocketRocket]

well im a white hetrosexual male and i been getting the feeling lately that we been desinated sub humans .

Often I feel the same way. We have reached what is probably the first point in history where the majority IS the minority in practise. In Canada today, being a white anglo Christian male kicks you quite firmly OUT of the driver's seat. Not Francophone??? No government job for you !!!! (Bilingual is now often not good enough, need to be of franco origin)

White??? You pay ALL the taxes, get nearly NONE of the benefits, definitely no benefits for any "cultural" endeavours. I guess my "culture" is not as valid as French or Native "culture".

The list goes on and on.

[caesar]

Even the question is disgusting and discriminatory.

[Digby]

Im not racist in any way . im friendly with any friendly person regardless of colour or even sexual orintation.

The reason im against gay marriage is simple , I fear God ! I beleave he exist and I beleave certain things make him angry .Not only Gay Marriage mind you , but it does seem to be the last thing a society will accept as normal before they go to the point of no return.

The people that wrote our constution i suspect feared God too , and i truely beleave a judge to rule in favour of gay marriage knows they are distorting what the original writers beleaved in . Godlessness has set in and we are watching the results . All is well if God does not Exist , but What if He does ? Did not Paul in Romans 1 predict the times we are in ? Did not most of the Prophets of old time predict the times we are in ?Ever look at the final results?

According to the bible in Isaiah 3 Gods wrath is poored out on the earth by taking our wise men ,our captains of 50, the honourable man ,the judge , ect . When i look at our goverment today and our judges i beleave we have reached that point.

Any judge in my opinion should know that treatys between Whites and first nations was to gareentee equal rights . Yes let us be Equal !

But Now days our foolish judges have ruled something else . We the whites are a

actually becoming second class citazens or in some cases nothing but peasants with no hope of anything else .

Paul Martin i think is a fool , but then i guess i know according to Isaiah 3 these times would come.

[caesar]

If "God" so strongly opposed homosexual people ; He wouldn't have created them. The religious laws were written by man not God.

[Digby]

Thou shalt not lie with mankind ,as with woman kind :It is an abomination! Lev11:22

If a man also lie with mankind,as he liet with a woman ,both of them have commited an abomination ;they shall surely be put to death :their blood shall be upon them lev:20 13

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lust of their own hearts ,to dishonour their own bodies between themselfs:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie ,and worshipped and served the creature more then the creator ,who is blessed forever AMEN :

For this cause God gave them up to vile affections for even their women did change the naturaul use into that which is againnst nature :

And like wise also the men leaveing the natural use of the woman ,burned in their lust one toward an other :men with men working that which is unseemly ,and recieving in themselfs that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge ,God gave them over to reprobate mind ,to do those things which are not convenient.

Being filled with all unrightousness ,fornication wickedness ,covetness maliciousness ,deciet malignity ,whisperers.

Backbiters ,HAters ofGOD ,despitefull .proud ,boasters ,inventers of evil things ,disobediant to parents ,

without understanding ,covenant breakers ,without natural affection ,implacable ,unmerciful .

WHO KNOWING THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD ,that they which commit such things are worthy of DEATH ,not only do the same ,but have pleasure in them that do them. rom1:24-32

I think alot of us know Gods opinion.

[August1991]

I think alot of us know Gods opinion.

How do you know that's God's opinion?

[Digby]

I have seen no reason to beleave thats not God inspired Writings .

The more I look it over I know it is!

[Shakeyhands]

I think its amazing that you had so many replies with no one picking up on the fact that you were proving a point about Same Sex Marriage.

[The Terrible Sweal]

I have seen no reason to beleave thats not God inspired Writings .

How about the internal inconsistencies within the Bible itself?

[Black Dog]

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I have seen no reason to beleave thats not God inspired Writings .

The more I look it over I know it is!

So you are advocating that homosexuals and adulterers be put to death?

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. 11The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion, their blood is upon them. 13If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. -Lev. 20

[August1991]

I have seen no reason to beleave thats not God inspired Writings .  The more I look it over I know it is!

Digby, to be clear, I'm not questioning your belief in God or not. I'm just curious to know why you think the quotes you posted above are God's opinions.

[Digby]

Black Dog i don't think its our duty as individuals to enforce Gods Laws . as you know fornication is a sin punishable by death also and if Gods laws was enforced now we would have almost nobody left .

I must warn though that Jesus Christ when king of planet earth will rule with a rod of Iron . Rod of Iron i assume does mean capital punishment for these transgressions . I really don't Beleave the jesus i see in the bible is going to run around and hug every body regardless of what they want to through in his face .

I'll Bet you there will be no gay pride paraides in The Kindom of God . Maybe in Paul Martins Kingdom , but in Jesus Christ Kingdom things will be different.

Apparently Paul Martin don't Beleave in God.

Augest why do i think these quotes are Gods opinions ? read lev 1:1

and as far as pauls writings read Gal: 1:11-12

[Black Dog]

Black Dog i don't think its our duty as individuals to enforce Gods Laws . as you know fornication is a sin punishable by death also and if Gods laws was enforced now we would have almost nobody left .

But the verse I quoted (and others just like it) make no reference to the punishments for adultery, fornication etc. being administered by god. No, they are direct instructions to the faithful. So if you were truly a believer in the Bible, you would be advocating the death penalty for adulterers, homosexuals, and others.

Of course if one goes by the alternative interpretation that the death penalty is to be administered from on high, it then seems God has been quite negligent in carrying out his smiting duties.

. I really don't Beleave the jesus i see in the bible is going to run around and hug every body regardless of what they want to through in his face .

Jesus was quite mum on the subject of homosexuality. What he was big on was justice, love, and human dignity.

Augest why do i think these quotes are Gods opinions ? read lev 1:1

In other words you think the Bible is god's opinion because the Bible tells you so?

[Digby]

Them verses was wrote to a nation ,for a goverment to enforce . not individuals .

We as Christians can not do hardly anything to stop this worlds downhill slide to distruction.

All we can do is Cry aloud and spare not , after that its on your own hands . Do what you want .

the problem with this gay marriage thing is i beleave they are leading this whole nation into faceing the wrath of God . Alot of Canadians still beleave in God and we know its the wrong road.

As far as God goes he is letting us do our work . he soon will take control ,but not until he proves we don't know how to govern.He is allowing us to throw away his wisdom to show us where the road leads .

[Black Dog]

the problem with this gay marriage thing is i beleave they are leading this whole nation into faceing the wrath of God . Alot of Canadians still beleave in God and we know its the wrong road.

Thankfully, though, we don't live in a theocracy, but in a democracy that respects the rights of all citizens. Even kooky religious ones.

As for God's wrath, well, given the amount of pain, misery, death and destruction he tolerates, it seems a little absurd for him to get worked up over a lil' nothing like gay marriage.

As far as God goes he is letting us do our work . he soon will take control ,but not until he proves we don't know how to govern.He is allowing us to throw away his wisdom to show us where the road leads .

You know, I'm not gonna hold my breath on this one.

[August1991]

Augest why do i think these quotes are Gods opinions ? read lev 1:1

In other words you think the Bible is god's opinion because the Bible tells you so?

Digby, Black Dog asked a good question. What's the answer? Do you believe the Bible because the Bible tells you so?

[Digby]

As i said before 1 proof of the bible being ligit is the way folks want to twist its message .

I bet most on here don't know what the gospel (good news)of Jesus Christ is?

Also the bible hits right on when predicting the modern day world . It even predicts this push of homosexualality that we seem to be argueing .

Why would there be so much effort into twisting and perverting what a 2000 year old book of fables says?

study modern christianitys teachings , then go read a bible , you wonder how they get away with it .

[Slavik44]

I think its amazing that you had so many replies with no one picking up on the fact that you were proving a point about Same Sex Marriage.

uhhmmm it took 2 replies

[I Miss Trudeau]

But its just a name. I specifically stated that they were full persons in practice.

well then they cannot be sub persons in theory if they are full persons in practice.

But they aren't sub-persons in theory. They're just called that!

[Slavik44]

But its just a name. I specifically stated that they were full persons in practice.

well then they cannot be sub persons in theory if they are full persons in practice.

But they aren't sub-persons in theory. They're just called that!

Part of being a person is being recognized as a person, if you are not recognized as a person...then in theory you are not a person. You cannot gurantee someone all the rights of a person and then call them Sub-Person that is not giving them all the rights of a person. so in theory or in practice what you propose is an impossibility.