Feds pick a fight on refugees.

[Argus]

41 minutes ago, Goddess said:

However they get here, it's a win/win for everyone but the Canadian taxpayer.

It's certainly a huge win for immigration lawyers - like the one currently in charge of our immigration system.

 

[turningrite]

22 hours ago, Argus said:

According to an article I found we started recording exit data in late 2016. Although we get it second hand, from the airlines, when they fly out, or from the US when they leave that way. 

I've been to Europe several times over the past few decades and in recent times, particularly over the past several years, I've had to go through the EU's "passport control" system before leaving Europe to fly back to Canada. I don't think it sufficient to rely on third parties to provide such information, particularly at airports. Although I travel on a Canadian passport (except to the U.S., where I use my American passport) I've been asked by passport control in Europe whether I hold a passport from any EU country. Do our airlines assess and inform the government whether those leaving Canada hold a second (or third) passport? They should. Otherwise, given the number of Canadians who hold dual citizenship, the tracking system is pointless.

Edited July 25, 2018 by turningrite

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Argus said:

According to an article I found we started recording exit data in late 2016. Although we get it second hand, from the airlines, when they fly out, or from the US when they leave that way. 

 

23 hours ago, Goddess said:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/parliamenthill/entering-canada-no-free-ticket-goodale/ar-AAAlyAz?li=AAggv0m

Goodale is being deliberately deceptive, IMO.

It may not be a "free ticket" to just waltz across our border, but it is definitely 5-10 years of freeloading while you apply and appeal and appeal and appeal and appeal...... and that's plenty of time to have a Canadian baby and start a life here and then you just go to the media and everyone feels sorry for you and you can't be kicked out on "humanitarian" grounds.

Goodale knows this.  The Liberal government knows this.  The illegal border crossers know this.

However they get here, it's a win/win for everyone but the Canadian taxpayer.

 

Indeed Goodale , Trudeau(Soros), the liberal government, the liberal media, and especially the asylum seeking criminals know all about this "free ticket" ride alright. But apparently not too many Canadians know or are being told about this either or the hundreds of millions of tax dollars that are being blown every year on this because if they did they probably would have begun a riot over this by now. All this illegal criminal activity going on is because of our politically correct politicians and they can only be the ones to blame for all this criminality going on because they keep allowing it to happen over and over and over again every day. I certainly looks to me that the liberals do not believe in safe borders alright. They prefer wide open borders where there will be no one there to protect those borders from anyone wanting to enter Canada illegally. And I am being forced to pay these stunned politicians to screw me over and over in the butt every minute of the day. It's no wonder that I am having a hard time trying to stand up straight these days. LOL.   

[taxme]

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

I've been to Europe several times over the past few decades and in recent times, particularly over the past several years, I've had to go through the EU's "passport control" system before leaving Europe to fly back to Canada. I don't think it sufficient to rely on third parties to provide such information, particularly at airports. Although I travel on a Canadian passport (except to the U.S., where I use my American passport) I've been asked by passport control in Europe whether I hold a passport from any EU country. Do our airlines assess and inform the government whether those leaving Canada hold a second (or third) passport? They should. Otherwise, given the number of Canadians who hold dual citizenship, the tracking system is pointless.

All one needs is one passport. No one needs two have two passports. Maybe someone here can tell me as to why anyone needs two passports? Can you, turn? 

[turningrite]

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

All one needs is one passport. No one needs two have two passports. Maybe someone here can tell me as to why anyone needs two passports? Can you, turn? 

I believe a significant proportion of dual citizens have two passports and because Canada broadly permits dual citizenship many immigrants and their children hold dual passports. My mother was an immigrant from the U.S. and when my sister moved south (she was part of the management team) when her employer transferred its operations to the U.S. in the aftermath of Mulroney's "free trade" deal she applied for status as a birthright U.S. citizen and therefore didn't have to acquire a visa or green card to live and work ther. But my mother couldn't just register my sister as a U.S. citizen as she had to register all her natural children on the application. And I was advised to apply for a U.S. passport (as proof of citizenship) and a Social Security Number. Also, I think many non-Western countries don't recognize the foreign status of their own citizens who emigrate and acquire naturalized citizenship elsewhere, rendering it necessary for them to maintain a passport for their country of origin. And many immigrants and their children choose to do so in any case as it affords them greater ability to more easily take advantage of employment, property ownership and other opportunities that are in some places dependent on citizenship. 

[bush_cheney2004]

38 minutes ago, taxme said:

All one needs is one passport. No one needs two have two passports. Maybe someone here can tell me as to why anyone needs two passports? Can you, turn? 

 

Because it helps them to game the system and take advantage of opportunities not otherwise available.   And it is not just passports....there is a huge industry just for obtaining visas and/or gaining entry after being denied/deported.   Sob stories are easy to find in emigration/travel forums.

Then it is time to bring over the entire family !

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, turningrite said:

I believe a significant proportion of dual citizens have two passports and because Canada broadly permits dual citizenship many immigrants and their children hold dual passports. My mother was an immigrant from the U.S. and when my sister moved south (she was part of the management team) when her employer transferred its operations to the U.S. in the aftermath of Mulroney's "free trade" deal she applied for status as a birthright U.S. citizen and therefore didn't have to acquire a visa or green card to live and work ther. But my mother couldn't just register my sister as a U.S. citizen as she had to register all her natural children on the application. And I was advised to apply for a U.S. passport (as proof of citizenship) and a Social Security Number. Also, I think many non-Western countries don't recognize the foreign status of their own citizens who emigrate and acquire naturalized citizenship elsewhere, rendering it necessary for them to maintain a passport for their country of origin. And many immigrants and their children choose to do so in any case as it affords them greater ability to more easily take advantage of employment, property ownership and other opportunities that are in some places dependent on citizenship. 

That does not work for me. One is either a citizen of a country or of another country and does not need or should be allowed to have two passports to be able to travel. One passport is all one needs. I have only one and it works for me just fine. I can go anywhere with it and stay there pretty much as long as I want too. All this only shows is that one can have one foot down in one country and the other foot down in another country and walk freely around in any one of them. One is either Canadian or one is an American. If there are some Canadians or Americans with dual citizenship for both countries than I want to have an American passport also. If it is good enough for a Canadian or American to have a passport for those two countries than it should be good for me also. I demand an American passport now.  

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because it helps them to game the system and take advantage of opportunities not otherwise available.   And it is not just passports....there is a huge industry just for obtaining visas and/or gaining entry after being denied/deported.   Sob stories are easy to find in emigration/travel forums.

Then it is time to bring over the entire family !

Ah yes, the family reunification planned game which is always being played here in Canada. Some say that this is not so and that has to be a lie When I drive around cities like Richmond and Surrey for example and in malls I see plenty of older East Indian men and women walking around dressed up in their favorite East Indian clothing like they once did in Pakistan. I cannot believe that these older East Indian men and women were born and raised here all their lives. They look like they just got here. Even younger Pakistanis pretty much wear western clothing. With many of these new immigrants that come from different lands especially poor ones they pretty much all want to try and get their whole family to immigrate to Canada or America. I guess that i would also want to do the same thing if I left my poor country and moved to a more richer country. But in reality it is all just a family reunification game plan that is going on in our both countries that does not work out all that much for both our countries. Just saying.  

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

.... I guess that i would also want to do the same thing if I left my poor country and moved to a more richer country. But in reality it is all just a family reunification game plan that is going on in our both countries that does not work out all that much for both our countries. Just saying.  

 

It's just a big game that overloads the system with applicants and illegals, who know that it will take years to be removed, if ever.    Hell, Canada doesn't even have an immigration enforcement division to round up illegals.  If one country doesn't work out, shop around for another.  

Based on what I read in Canadian media, some Canadians are getting tired of the game at the border, and the BS from Trudeau/Ottawa.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It's just a big game that overloads the system with applicants and illegals, who know that it will take years to be removed, if ever.    Hell, Canada doesn't even have an immigration enforcement division to round up illegals.  If one country doesn't work out, shop around for another.  

Based on what I read in Canadian media, some Canadians are getting tired of the game at the border, and the BS from Trudeau/Ottawa.

Maybe even take decades for all I know. Now that is what Canada needs is an immigration enforcement outfit like ICE. But I understand that many of those leftist liberal democrats in America would like to abolish ICE that have been doing a great job of rounding up all the illegals in America and booting them out. But not all will leave on their own but some will be fighting the government to try and get to stay in America just like they do in Canada thru many appeals. There should only be one appeal allowed and that is it. 

Geez, I hope that you are right about Canadians getting tired  with all of this illegal criminal activity going on in Canada. It is about time and long overdue. 

[turningrite]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

If it is good enough for a Canadian or American to have a passport for those two countries than it should be good for me also. I demand an American passport now.  

Do you have a right to American citizenship, such as having a parent born and raised in that country. American citizenship is actually more difficult to obtain than is Canadian citizenship. And there are obligations and drawbacks too, as American citizens living outside the U.S. are required to file an annual tax return with the IRS and for the past decade or more to file an annual assets report as well. Even if one doesn't formally apply for U.S. citizenship, a birthright citizen is still considered by the U.S. government to be a U.S. "person" and is theoretically subject to the obligations applicable to that status. A Canadian-American dual citizen living outside the U.S. can only abandon their U.S. obligations by renouncing their U.S. citizenship, which is a lengthy and expensive process. There's no equivalent to ease and speed with which Ted Cruz was able to jettison his Canadian citizenship. So, do you still want to become a dual citizen?