Trump's travel ban upheld by Supreme Court

[turningrite]

I'm surprised the topic hasn't yet come up on this board, but yesterday the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Trump's travel ban. Of course, the decision was split along partisan lines and was duly criticized along those lines. The most important aspect of the ruling appears to be that it affirms presidential authority to impose immigration policy on national security grounds.

When listening to news about yesterday's SCOTUS ruling, though, I thought of Trump's comments before and during the election as well as of the National Post story a few days ago (link below) about a Yazidi refugee who recently saw her ISIL slave owner on a bus in London, Ontario. She was able to escape captivity and eventually enter Canada as a refugee, but it appears her ISIL captor was somehow able to get here as well. The author of the NP article comments that "Maybe he's the only ISIL member who slipped though Canada's vetting net, or maybe he's one of a hundred." I recall Trump saying that a travel ban from many Muslim-majority countries is necessary until American authorities can figure out what's going on. Canadian authorities have assured us that super vetting was/is taking place where migration from Middle Eastern conflict zones was/is concerned and those who've raised concerns about the efficacy of this screening in areas characterized by dysfunctional and/or non-existent governance have been dismissed as alarmists, racists and Islamophobes. But was/is Trump simply being prudent? Given the NP piece, I have to wonder.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-the-yazidis-are-on-the-brink-of-extinction-canada-must-do-more

[AngusThermopyle]

Gonna be some heads exploding over this one. It'll be just like the scene near the end of Kingsman where all the chosen elites heads explode in rainbow hued puffs of smoke.

[BubberMiley]

27 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said:

Gonna be some heads exploding over this one. It'll be just like the scene near the end of Kingsman where all the chosen elites heads explode in rainbow hued puffs of smoke.

You forgot to mention the "librul tears." Isn't that the best part for you Trumpees?

[AngusThermopyle]

Man! You really do have a comprehension problem don't you. Once again, I don't give a sh*t about Trump. You're the one who eats, sleeps and breathes Trump. My only concern about him relates to how he affects Canada when dealing with our totally inept frat boy PM. In a way I feel sorry for you, living every moment of every day obsessed with someone who has no personal contact or interaction with you. That must be a truly sad existence.

[paxamericana]

 

11 hours ago, turningrite said:

But was/is Trump simply being prudent? Given the NP piece, I have to wonder.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-the-yazidis-are-on-the-brink-of-extinction-canada-must-do-more

Look at it this way, Trump's opponent are overly simplifying the issue and chalking it to trump's Islamophobic tendency.

You've asked ,was it prudent. A president has in his authority to make that call, as reaffirmed by the supreme court decision.

Trump is a pragmatist and a realist. He knows that allowing refugee to come here would also bring the risk of extremist slipping in. He saw no benefit to it. They don't speak English, they have no specialized skills or labor, we don't know who they are, we'll probably have to setup some sort of welfare aid program for them. 

He saw it simply as the risk out weighed the benefits(non existent in his mind). Besides we have plenty of asylum seekers from south america trying to do the same thing. 

 He isn't willing to bring back one terrorist even if they are american. 

"The US wants to leave this American in Syria with $4,210 and no passport"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/john-doe-syria-isis-passport/index.html

So in conclusion it isn't about Islamophobia its about refugee-phobia. 

[Jimwd]

Just imagine if trump had been president when Steve jobs father wanted to immigrate from Syria. It would have only cost the American economy a few trillion dollars. That’s trumps policies 

[paxamericana]

14 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Just imagine if trump had been president when Steve jobs father wanted to immigrate from Syria. It would have only cost the American economy a few trillion dollars. That’s trumps policies 

But at least we won't have apple compatibility issues when buying software!

[Jimwd]

8 hours ago, paxrom said:

But at least we won't have apple compatibility issues when buying software!

I should have considered that. 

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Jimwd said:

I should have considered that. 

Since I can read your mind Jim, I'm going to start another thread on immigration. Come debate it there. 

[betsy]

On 6/28/2018 at 12:47 AM, Jimwd said:

Just imagine if trump had been president when Steve jobs father wanted to immigrate from Syria. It would have only cost the American economy a few trillion dollars. That’s trumps policies 

If Trump were president, Jobs would've still found his way to the USA.    His mother got pregnant in Syria, and she delivered the baby in the USA, and put up for adoption.

 

Give credit where credit is due!  His millionaire Syrian dad and his biological mom did squat!

 

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Luckily for us Paul Jobs passed on to Steve his love of mechanics, which led to Steve’s friendship with Steve Wozniak and the eventual founding of Apple Computer.

There is another refugee link in that Clara's parents had landed in New Jersey after fleeing the Turks in Armenia.

“Knowing I was adopted may have made me feel more independent, but I have never felt abandoned," said Steve Jobs.

"I’ve always felt special. My parents made me feel special.”

 

https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/apple/who-is-steve-jobs-syrian-immigrant-father-abdul-fattah-jandali-3624958/

 

 

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His biological father, Abdulfattah "John" (al-)Jandali (Arabic: عبد الفتاح الجندلي) (b. 1931), grew up in Homs, Syria, and was born into an Arab Muslim household.^[3] Jandali is the son of a self-made millionaire who did not go to college and a mother who was a traditional housewife.^[3] While an undergraduate at the American University of Beirut, Lebanon, he was a student activist and spent time in jail for his political activities.   Schieble became pregnant with Jobs in 1954 when she and Jandali spent the summer with his family in Homs, Syria.

 

The baby boy was then placed with the Bay Area blue collar couple Paul and Clara Jobs, neither of whom had a college education, and Schieble refused to sign the adoption papers.^{[4][page needed]} She then took the matter to court in an attempt to have her baby placed with a different family^{[10][page needed]} and only consented to releasing the baby to Paul and Clara after they promised that he would attend college.

When Steve Jobs was in high school, his mother Clara admitted to his girlfriend, 17-year-old Chrisann Brennan, that she "was too frightened to love [Steve] for the first six months of his life ... I was scared they were going to take him away from me. Even after we won the case, Steve was so difficult a child that by the time he was two I felt we had made a mistake. I wanted to return him."^{[10][page needed]} When Chrisann shared his mother's comment with Steve, he stated that he was already aware of that^{[10][page needed]} and would later say he was deeply loved and indulged by Paul and Clara.^{[11][page needed]} Many years later, Steve Jobs's wife Laurene also noted that "he felt he had been really blessed by having the two of them as parents."^{[11][page needed]} Jobs would become upset when Paul and Clara were referred to as "adoptive parents" as they "were my parents 1,000%."^{[4][page needed]}

 

With regard to his biological parents, Jobs referred to them as "my sperm and egg bank".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

 

 

Thanks to his adoptive parents.  It was his adoptive father that sparked his interest, and helped to get the ball rolling.

 

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It was during this time that Paul built a workbench in his garage for his son in order to "pass along his love of mechanics."^{[4][page needed]} Jobs, meanwhile, admired his father's craftsmanship "because he knew how to build anything. If we needed a cabinet, he would build it. When he built our fence, he gave me a hammer so I could work with him ... I wasn't that into fixing cars ... but I was eager to hang out with my dad."^{[4][page needed]} By the time he was ten, Jobs was deeply involved in electronics and befriended many of the engineers who lived in the neighborhood.  

  He frequently played pranks on others at Monta Loma Elementary school in Mountain View.^{[4][page needed]} His father Paul (who was abused as a child) never reprimanded him, however, and instead blamed the school for not placing enough challenge on his brilliant son.

Though the Jobs family was not well off, they used all their savings in 1967 to buy a new home, which would allow Jobs to change schools.^{[7][page needed]} The new house (a three-bedroom home on Crist Drive in Los Altos, California) was in the better Cupertino School District, Cupertino, California,^{[4][page needed]} and was embedded in an environment that was even more heavily populated with engineering families than the Mountain View home.^[

The location of the Los Altos home meant that Jobs would be able to attend nearby Homestead High School, which had strong ties to Silicon Valley.

Later in the year, Jobs enrolled at Reed College in Portland, Oregon. Reed was an expensive school that Paul and Clara could ill afford, and they were spending much of their life savings on their son's higher education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

 

 

What about his biological dada?

 

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Jandali was born in 1931 in Homs, Syria to a wealthy landowner. His father was a self-made millionaire who owned “several entire villages”, according to his son. He father held complete authority over his children.

His mother was a traditional Muslim woman who “took care of the house and me and my four sisters, but she was conservative, obedient, and a housewife”.

At the university he was an activist for Arab nationalism, and demonstrated for the independence of Algeria and even spent three days in prison.

Protests from 1952-54 forced him to flee Beirut.

 

He is a non-practicing Muslim and hasn’t been on the Haj (the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca),

 

but he has stated that he believes in Islam in doctrine and culture.

 

 

Jobs also told Isaacson that he decided not to pursue a relationship with Jandali: “I learned a little bit about him and I didn’t like what I learned”.

 

https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/apple/who-is-steve-jobs-syrian-immigrant-father-abdul-fattah-jandali-3624958/

 

Had Jobs been raised by his activists biological parents - he might've ended up wasting his hidden talent.  His knack for mechanics/electronics would've probably remained hidden.       That would have only cost the American economy a few trillion dollars.

History might 've repeated itself and like his biological dad,  find Steve attending political protests and rallies!   Frustrations in life would've made him vulnerable to any form of radicalism.   His father believes in the doctrine of Islam and Islamic culture.  The same could've been passed on to young Steve!

 

With that background.....

........  Who knows...........

................. maybe, Steve Jobs Jindali could've become  an imam or a.......... JIHADIST!

Edited June 29, 2018 by betsy

[Jimwd]

Sure a lot of squirming when they recognized Trumps policies would have cost america trillions.

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, Jimwd said:

Sure a lot of squirming when they recognized Trumps policies would have cost america trillions.

Actually  steve job is businessman you might say with out Steve Wozniak, an American engineer, Steve Job wouldn't have made apple. Without the education and freedom these people enjoy, apple would not have been possible, Steve Job is a people pusher nothing more, nothing less.  You're once again not recognizing the system that produce these individual. 

[betsy]

4 hours ago, Jimwd said:

Sure a lot of squirming when they recognized Trumps policies would have cost america trillions.

I think you just squirmed out of your.......fake opinion on Steve Jobs?

[bush_cheney2004]

54 minutes ago, paxrom said:

Actually  steve job is businessman you might say with out Steve Wozniak, an American engineer, Steve Job wouldn't have made apple. Without the education and freedom these people enjoy, apple would not have been possible, Steve Job is a people pusher nothing more, nothing less.  You're once again not recognizing the system that produce these individual. 

 

Agreed...how many Apple Computers or Microsoft Corps came out of Syria ?

[Jimwd]

1 hour ago, paxrom said:

Actually  steve job is businessman you might say with out Steve Wozniak, an American engineer, Steve Job wouldn't have made apple. Without the education and freedom these people enjoy, apple would not have been possible, Steve Job is a people pusher nothing more, nothing less.  You're once again not recognizing the system that produce these individual. 

“You're once again not recognizing the system that produce these individual. “

 

I remember the days when Americans believed in the individual, fascist trump has you promoting the state.

Sad.....

[Jimwd]

54 minutes ago, betsy said:

I think you just squirmed out of your.......fake opinion on Steve Jobs?

 

You think?

Highly doubtful.

[capricorn]

17 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

I remember the days when Americans believed in the individual, fascist trump has you promoting the state.

Sad.....

Actually, Americans working in concert with the state has resulted in notable innovations. For example, look at innovation coming out of the military which was adapted by industry and medicine, i.e. x-ray.

[paxamericana]

Just now, capricorn said:

Actually, Americans working in concert with the state has resulted in notable innovations. For example, look at innovation coming out of the military which was adapted by industry and medicine, i.e. x-ray.

That's the point, the individual and the state are one. They're part of a whole. No man is an island to them selves. 

[Jimwd]

3 hours ago, paxrom said:

That's the point, the individual and the state are one. They're part of a whole. No man is an island to them selves. 

Great  Marxist ist philosophy. The state over the individual.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Jimwd

[paxamericana]

48 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Great  Marxist ist philosophy. The state over the individual.

Nope they are two sides to the same coin. 

[Jimwd]

14 minutes ago, paxrom said:

Nope they are two sides to the same coin. 

They are not. You just contradicted Reagan philosophy  and endorsed  Karl Marx which is quite interesting.

Edited June 30, 2018 by Jimwd

[Jimwd]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed...how many Apple Computers or Microsoft Corps came out of Syria ?

Algorithms and algebra are both Arab discoveries, both of which are requirements for computers,

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

Algorithms and algebra are both Arab discoveries, both of which are requirements for computers,

 

Guess again....the etymology of "algebra" is Persian...not Arab.

Computers do not need algebra...they are binary devices.

[Jimwd]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Guess again....the etymology of "algebra" is Persian...not Arab.

Computers do not need algebra...they are binary devices.

.....none American 

amd algorithms? Computers don’t need those either ?

The word algebra comes from the Arabic الجبر (al-jabr lit. "the reunion of broken parts") from the title of the book Ilm al-jabr wa'l-muḳābala by the Persian mathematician and astronomer al-Khwarizmi. The word entered the English language during the fifteenth century, from either Spanish, Italian, or Medieval Latin.

Edited June 30, 2018 by Jimwd

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, Jimwd said:

.....none American 

amd algorithms? Computers don’t need those either ?

 

Computers run at the binary / assembly level after programs are written & compiled with higher level languages, many of which are very, very American.

I'm sure Syria will have a new hi-tech IPO any day now...just wait for it.