angrypenguin Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sounds like you're apologizing for the free loader companies that benefit from your tax dollars. Seems rather incongruous after reading your loathing for taxes. ? My own 250K+ a year job started because the government funded my intern salary. Now they're making a killing off of me from a taxes perspective. I see no problem there. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
eyeball Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 54 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: ? My own 250K+ a year job started because the government funded my intern salary. Now they're making a killing off of me from a taxes perspective. I see no problem there. Ah, so you resent having to fund freeloaders but not being funded yourself. That's not surprising. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 1:29 PM, Michael Hardner said: And how does 99% of 20% get us above 30% ? I'm starting to spring a brain leak... Because it's not just the lower 20% that don't pay taxes. Plenty of people in the lower 50% pay no taxes. I explained that. If you have a non-working wife and a couple of kids you have to make something over $40k to be paying income tax in Ontario. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, WIP said: Okay, it means that Canada is no different than any other capitalist nation: corporations and wealthy private interests are the main cost burden for taxpayers/ not the poor and destitute! That's utterly nonsensical. If you look at what any government spends its money on you quickly see that it goes mostly on pensions, health care, education and other social programs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: Ah, so you resent having to fund freeloaders but not being funded yourself. That's not surprising. I have no issues with helping those who want to succeed (education etc). I have issues wasting money for social leeches. 1 Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Michael Hardner Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Argus said: Because it's not just the lower 20% that don't pay taxes. Plenty of people in the lower 50% pay no taxes. I explained that. If you have a non-working wife and a couple of kids you have to make something over $40k to be paying income tax in Ontario. How is that not addressed in the stats quoted already ? I don't understand how this statement by you trumps what was written there. The wife would be in the 20%. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, angrypenguin said: I have no issues with helping those who want to succeed (education etc). I have issues wasting money for social leeches. Why not the corporate leeches that are too lazy and cheap to pay their own way and can't succeed without taxpayer help and free labour? Too big to fail I guess. Edited May 28, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: How is that not addressed in the stats quoted already ? I don't understand how this statement by you trumps what was written there. The wife would be in the 20%. You seem to be implying that I'm trying to counter your 'stats' with my opinion and ignoring the fact I posted my own stats from two different sources. Yours only addressed the lower 20% (and that inexactly). It ignored the cohort that is NOT in the lower 20% but still pays no tax. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, eyeball said: Why not the corporate leeches that are too lazy and cheap to pay their own way and can't succeed without taxpayer help and free labour? Too big to fail I guess. Corporate leeches don't pay taxes - and thus, don't exist. The amount of oxymoron in your post is enough to drown to scuba diver above water. Corporations also employ people, and in the case of my employer, over a hundred thousand people, mostly all making 6 figure jobs and paying taxes (in the top 3% of income). Wow, such a nasty thing a corporation is, eh? Holy moly. Get a life! Edited May 28, 2018 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Michael Hardner Posted May 28, 2018 Report Posted May 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Argus said: You seem to be implying that I'm trying to counter your 'stats' with my opinion and ignoring the fact I posted my own stats from two different sources. Yours only addressed the lower 20% (and that inexactly). It ignored the cohort that is NOT in the lower 20% but still pays no tax. Uh... well. I will have to check. That would mean my source... which is a right-wing source... soft-pedalled the main point. I will have to look back at your source then. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: Corporate leeches don't pay taxes - and thus, don't exist. The amount of oxymoron in your post is enough to drown to scuba diver above water. Corporations also employ people, and in the case of my employer, over a hundred thousand people, mostly all making 6 figure jobs and paying taxes (in the top 3% of income). Wow, such a nasty thing a corporation is, eh? Holy moly. Get a life! So Canadian taxpayers funded your high falutin' education and now you're buggering off with it to the US? Good riddance, we really don't need your type in Canada. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 35 minutes ago, eyeball said: So Canadian taxpayers funded your high falutin' education and now you're buggering off with it to the US? Good riddance, we really don't need your type in Canada. The brain drain is alive and well, and if you don't see the flaw in your type of government that you want, then more people like me will leave. Don't you dare tax my eyeballs out of my head, and if you do/when you do, I'll laugh at you when I leave, just like several people before me. This is the problem with you high tax high spend types. You tax people so high that they eventually leave. Socialism stops working when you run out of other people's money, and it's people like you who have rammed this statement in my face for years "don't like it? leave. Otherwise, quit your whining and pay your taxes". Bye bye. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Michael Hardner Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 Just now, angrypenguin said: Socialism stops working when you run out of other people's money Keep repeating that if it makes you feel moral, somehow. You took the socialist money and ran.... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Keep repeating that if it makes you feel moral, somehow. You took the socialist money and ran.... You taxed me out of the country I grew up in. I didn't want to go, but you made it so unpleasant for me in this country that I had to. (no, not directed at you, you know what I mean). IMHO Canadian tax rates and the Canadian tax and spend excessiveness is immoral, so while I won't pretend to say what I am doing is right, what I can say is please stop pretending that you're morally superior (again, not directed at you, I'm just saying) Edited May 29, 2018 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-ndp-leader-a-fan-of-chichi-shops Then there's this bullshit. Yeah, you NDP supporters have been paying for thousands of dollars per year for Horvath's clothes at Holt Renfrew and other places. I have no issue spending $3000 for a suit, nor should she, but she has been paying for it with YOUR money. Hypocrisy at its finest. Edited May 29, 2018 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
eyeball Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: Socialism stops working when you run out of other people's money, and it's people like you who have rammed this statement in my face for years "don't like it? leave. Otherwise, quit your whining and pay your taxes". I'll stop when you start paying back your education bill. Society stops when people refuse to carry their own weight, I'm pretty sure it was a hard-boiled conservative who told me that. What were you taught to do btw - if I has to guess I'd say...making the world safe for capitalists? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: Yeah, you NDP supporters have been paying for thousands of dollars per year for Horvath's clothes at Holt Renfrew and other places. I have no issue spending $3000 for a suit, nor should she, but she has been paying for it with YOUR money. Hypocrisy at its finest. How much did taxpayers shell out for your education? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: How much did taxpayers shell out for your education? I have paid over $50,000 per year in taxes for close to 7 years. So if you do care to know if I've repaid my debt, I have by a factor beyond your comprehension and WELL above what the taxpayers paid for to subsidize my education. So they've already made a killing off of me, but I refuse to continue giving my money to this socialist province and country. If I could do this all over again, I would have left Canada MUCH sooner to screw over said socialists who believe I'll just continue getting ass raped. No thanks. Edited May 29, 2018 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: What were you taught to do btw - if I has to guess I'd say...making the world safe for capitalists? This is irrelevant and none of your business. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
eyeball Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: IMHO Canadian tax rates and the Canadian tax and spend excessiveness is immoral, so while I won't pretend to say what I am doing is right, what I can say is please stop pretending that you're morally superior (again, not directed at you, I'm just saying) 13 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: I have paid over $50,000 per year in taxes for close to 7 years. So if you do care to know if I've repaid my debt, I have by a factor beyond your comprehension and WELL above what the taxpayers paid for to subsidize my education. So they've already made a killing off of me, but I refuse to continue giving my money to this socialist province and country. If I could do this all over again, I would have left Canada MUCH sooner to screw over said socialists who believe I'll just continue getting ass raped. No thanks. What really shines the brightest thru your posts is you pretending that socialist countries are morally inferior due to excessive spending and yet you have no problem moving to a country that is plainly not socialist that's recently overspent some 21 trillion taxpayer dollars that it can't account for. 20 minutes ago, angrypenguin said: This is irrelevant and none of your business. I would have thought it was even less of my business knowing how much you earn or pay in taxes. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: What really shines the brightest thru your posts is you pretending that socialist countries are morally inferior due to excessive spending and yet you have no problem moving to a country that is plainly not socialist that's recently overspent some 21 trillion taxpayer dollars that it can't account for. I would have thought it was even less of my business knowing how much you earn or pay in taxes. I have no problems moving to a country, in this case from Canada, after I have repaid my debts as alleged by people like you by a factor of "X". I don't owe Canada anything, and more importantly I don't owe you anything. but you can be damn sure my money won't fund your grand schemes any longer. I disagree with your socialist views and I'm proud to say that the overwhelming majority of my friends and colleagues (all of us are in the 1-3%) have moved or are on our ways to moving to the US. I hate the fact that for years you have told us "don't like it, leave, otherwise shut up and pay taxes". I love the fact we're telling people like you....bye bye! Only idiots are socialists. Edited May 29, 2018 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
eyeball Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 1 minute ago, angrypenguin said: I have no problems moving to a country, in this case from Canada, after I have repaid my debts as alleged by people like you by a factor of "X". I don't owe Canada anything, and more importantly I don't owe you anything. but you can be damn sure my money won't fund your grand schemes any longer. The grand scheme I'm most interested in funding is full-cost accounting and monitoring governments to an extent that would make Orwell blush - ironically these are things that people like you seem to avoid like taxes. Corporations probably don't like the idea much either, especially the ones that claim to succeed on their own two feet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
betsy Posted May 29, 2018 Author Report Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) Yep. the big brother mentality. Monitor this....monitor that.....then you need someone to monitor the monitors.....and later on you find, no one's doing their job! Even monitors that are supposed to monitor just aren't up to it! They don't care! All that matters is getting your paycheck and benefits - and asking for more. Look at the condition of retirement homes, as an example. The union got their back! People don't do what they're hired to do....without someone having to watch them. They're kids! they need babysitters! It's true: it's hard to find good help these days. Why do you think companies want to hire retirees! The younger generation aren't making the grade. While there are young people with good work ethics - a lot of them don't. That's what happens to a society that's been molly-cuddled by socialism! Gee.....no wonder it's a big, big, big government. Edited May 29, 2018 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 29, 2018 Author Report Posted May 29, 2018 I'm still fuming about this, so let me re-post it. ....and Horvath's statement that she'll never use the back-to-work legislation: what does that say to the union? Just by revealing that openly, is a bad decision, Ms Horvath! You're practically announcing you'll give the greenlight for the union to take the taxpayers to the cleaners! 1 Quote
angrypenguin Posted May 29, 2018 Report Posted May 29, 2018 9 hours ago, eyeball said: The grand scheme I'm most interested in funding is full-cost accounting and monitoring governments to an extent that would make Orwell blush - ironically these are things that people like you seem to avoid like taxes. Corporations probably don't like the idea much either, especially the ones that claim to succeed on their own two feet. What are you going on about now? Your immediate assumption is "the rich don't pay taxes". Well, actually, those who make >$50K a year pay 88.4% of all income taxes (in Ontario). Your immediate assumption that the rich are tax evaders is insulting, because you wouldn't have money to spend on your little pet projects if we didn't pony up. Yes, there are folks who bury their money in Panama and wherever else but they are the exception, not the norm. I have no issues with full said cost-accounting and monitoring programs because if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to be scared of. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
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