brianw Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Not being able to pay your taxes You sound like people are born owing taxes. That would be servitude which is a crime. hat being said Canada does have programs and services to ensure that these people do not end up in the street Two year waiting lists for housing. Homeless shelters overflowing. Families living in shelters. Yep there are plenty of programs. Don't get out much do you? You want social programs to solve the problem of people being thrown out of THEIR homes for not being able to pay you to play your war games. This means that taxes must go up to pay for the social programs that are required to pick up the peices of lives that are destroyed because people like you want to play "war games". discarded.... Just like the humanity that you pretend to be protecting when you are out playing your "war games" until you have been sent to those areas of the world in which truely have nothing...seen with your own eyes...i say that because pictures don't tell all of the story you need to experiance it with all your senses...you will not even begin to know what difference your Military makes in the world..... And until you have been thrown from your home to support people like you then you will not even begin to know what a difference shelter can make to people right here. "No" everything in the Dart is used for training regularly and replaced regularily when it's broken or to old...the Dart uses the same equipment as the Army...New equipment is purchased when the gov't decides.... So it gets "played with" then replaced before it is actually needed and there is a diference because ... ? these countries understand one thing...the threat of force and having the political will to use it.... People right here are being forced from their homes to pay for you to tell another regime not to use force against it's people. "Do as we say not as we do" right? Again the throwing of women and children into the streets you talk like this is a third world country where our streets are full of dead and dying women and children They end up in shelters to pay for you to play games. This costs us in monetary and humanitary terms. Canada is known world wide for it's moral values Pat ourselves on the back while out of the view of the camera we are kicking our own people while they are down. Great ideology you have there. Would it be to much to ask that we support them. It is if we are asked to give up our homes to do it. Wouldn't you agree? What's the point of bombing other countries in the name of human rights when we are violating human rights here? All so that you can live off taxpayers. You don't mind throwing people from their homes so that you get provided a home by the taxpayer do you? Quote
brianw Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Army Guy, Got to thinkin and maybe I did not understand so let me see if I have it straight. You advocate the use of force to throw people from their homes to pay for an army to use force against a dictator that uses force against his own people by throwing them from their homes to pay for his army. You say it is OK for your government to do this because they provide social programs where the people who are forced from their homes get to live in refugee style shelters and the people thrown out by the dictator only get refugee camps. Does this pretty much sum it up? Quote
Stoker Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Two year waiting lists for housing. Homeless shelters overflowing. Families living in shelters. Yep there are plenty of programs. Don't get out much do you? Do you want a little cheese to go with your wine? How many Canadians are being "thrown out of their homes" and forced to live in homeless shelters? IOW, how many taxpaying Canadians do homeless shelters effect? How many Canadians are defended by the men and women of the Canadian Forces? IOW how many Canadians lives have been or could be affected by these men and women? I'd rather my tax dollars go to DND, which is tasked with defending not only my life and the lives of my family, but all Canadians, from all present and future threats, be they man-made or natural. IMO, the lives of all Canadians should come before a select few. And until you have been thrown from your home to support people like you then you will not even begin to know what a difference shelter can make to people right here. You are probably right...........but can't the same be said of those that lost their lives on 9/11 or the recent Asian disaster? Why are you opposed to put our limited resources into an area that can protect all Canadians and their intrests? Don't get me wrong, after the important issues are taking care of (ie Healthcare, Defence, education, debt reduction, tax relief, the Enviroment), I'd have no problem throwing some money at the poor........let's focus on the majority of Canadians first. So it gets "played with" then replaced before it is actually needed and there is a diference because ... ? Would you want your local Police/Fire/Ambualance service to have sub-standard equipment? People right here are being forced from their homes to pay for you to tell another regime not to use force against it's people. "Do as we say not as we do" right? Where are all these people being forced from their homes? Who's forcing them to leave? They end up in shelters to pay for you to play games. This costs us in monetary and humanitary terms. Who says money spent on defence is coming out the mouths of the poor in homeless shelters? I'll place the blame on inadequate funding to shelters on the Gun registry, sponsership of the arts, addscam and the CBC........there's 2-4 billion, think of all the Kraft Dinner, Hudson's bay Blankets and surplus army cots (that the DART got tired of playing with) that could buy for the poor They end up in shelters to pay for you to play games. This costs us in monetary and humanitary terms. Could you expalin further? Pat ourselves on the back while out of the view of the camera we are kicking our own people while they are down. Great ideology you have there. Who's kicking them? And How? Is it not possable that some of these people "kicked themselves down" into their current situation? It is if we are asked to give up our homes to do it. Wouldn't you agree? No, could you explain why you think this so? What's the point of bombing other countries in the name of human rights when we are violating human rights here? Is it a human right to be sponge? All so that you can live off taxpayers. You don't mind throwing people from their homes so that you get provided a home by the taxpayer do you? Say what? You advocate the use of force to throw people from their homes to pay for an army to use force against a dictator that uses force against his own people by throwing them from their homes to pay for his army.You say it is OK for your government to do this because they provide social programs where the people who are forced from their homes get to live in refugee style shelters and the people thrown out by the dictator only get refugee camps. Can you provide a quote that suggests Armyguy advocates throwing people out of their homes? If not, I'd suggest that you read over the forum rules...... Nobody likes a troll Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Brainw: Man.... you have a huge axe to grind.... You sound like people are born owing taxes. That would be servitude which is a crime. Look, you know as well as i do ...you work you pay taxes..you spend money you pay taxes...you own property or a home you pay taxes, everything in life has taxes attached to it somehow... you get a vote just like everyone here... don't like something then work to change it.... What have you personally done to change this problem that you think exists..... You want social programs to solve the problem of people being thrown out of THEIR homes for not being able to pay you to play your war games. This means that taxes must go up to pay for the social programs that are required to pick up the peices of lives that are destroyed because people like you want to play "war games". So you've picked one dept within the goverment to blame all your problems on...and have decided just DND is responsable for all your's and the rest of the countries problems. I like to here why? And until you have been thrown from your home to support people like you then you will not even begin to know what a difference shelter can make to people right here. Correct me if i'm wrong but taxes on your home are levied by the town or city and "do not support" DND at all. if not paid yes you are going to lose your home.... Not being able to pay the bank is another way to lose your home....Not being able to mange "your" money. How is that the Gov'ts fault. And until you have been thrown from your home to support people like you then you will not even begin to know what a difference shelter can make to people right here. No i don't know what it is like to be thrown from my home. I ensure that my taxes are paid and all my bills are looked after. You must have lived this first hand again i think this is unfortunate and regardless of what i say you'll be right and i'll be wrong... But i've been to places in the world that your worst day is someones best day of thier lives.... I've seen our tax dollars save lives of thousands of starving people I've seen our tax dollars save hundards of infants lives from starvation, or being sold into slavery... I've seen our tax dollars save thousands of people from being slaughtered in thier homes. If you doubt what i say then trot on down to your local recruiting cell and join up. Walk a mile in my boots. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Brainw: Got to thinkin and maybe I did not understand so let me see if I have it straight.You advocate the use of force to throw people from their homes to pay for an army to use force against a dictator that uses force against his own people by throwing them from their homes to pay for his army. You say it is OK for your government to do this because they provide social programs where the people who are forced from their homes get to live in refugee style shelters and the people thrown out by the dictator only get refugee camps. Does this pretty much sum it up? I think your a young guy, with a knot on for the world ,who needs to get a job, and a life... and to stop blaming others for your problems or for problems that don't really exist.... Yes i am a member of the Canadian military...Yes i've used force to stop dictators from slaughtering thier people in the death camps in bosina to the killing fields in Rwanda......And i've done so with the blessing of my country and most of her tax payers...all while guys like you sit in their chairs and do nothing to help or improve thier own situation, except ridacule those that have....I want you to remember this one little thing the next time your whinning ...every right that you have today was paid for in blood by a soldier. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 sorry double post Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 I have a solution that will solve everyone's problems: privatize the military. I mean, we hear all the time how the private sector is better when it come sto health care, education, energy, etc. etc. So why not get the government out of the military business? That way,, no more government waste or boondoggles like the Sea Kings or the submarines. No more expensive kickbacks to placel like Bombardier. And, at the same time, the government can then use the tax room to provide important doemstic programs. It's a win-win! Quote
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Yes, it's a great idea...But could we trust the defense of our country to merc's......An organization of that size what would stop them from siezing full control over all our assets....the RCMP....Or what would prevent them from switching sides to the highest bidder.... Would it be cheaper.... Perhaps we could pay the US...and have them project their values or foriegn policy on Canada. What ever we as Canadians decide i hope we do it soon...support DND or scrap it ..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Yes, it's a great idea...But could we trust the defense of our country to merc's......An organization of that size what would stop them from siezing full control over all our assets....the RCMP....Or what would prevent them from switching sides to the highest bidder.... Why not? If you can trust your child's health to a private corporation, why not the whole country? And if they did switch sides, we could always sue for breach of contract. Perhaps we could pay the US...and have them project their values or foriegn policy on Canada. It's already happening. What ever we as Canadians decide i hope we do it soon...support DND or scrap it ..... I say scrap it. Create new bodies that would oversee non military duties currently under the DND umbrella (ie. Coast guard, SAR) and maintain a small militia for domestic defense. Canada is lucky in that direct threats to our security and safety are few. But I see no need to go abroad in search of dragons to slay. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Black dog QUOTE Perhaps we could pay the US...and have them project their values or foriegn policy on Canada. It's already happening. Is it really, is that why we are fighting in Iraq, I don't think it's as bad as we Canadains protray it to be... I say scrap it. Create new bodies that would oversee non military duties currently under the DND umbrella (ie. Coast guard, SAR) and maintain a small militia for domestic defense. Canada is lucky in that direct threats to our security and safety are few. But I see no need to go abroad in search of dragons to slay. If you are going to scrap it then lets scrap it...having all those little depts around will only end-up in one big one in time as a cost savings measure....why have a milita it is part of the military structure....besides with our current numbers that is what we have anyways a small force....And we are lucky our enemies are few.... But sometimes we have a choice slay the dragons in someone else backyard ...or become fat and lazy waiting for them to arrive in our backyard, exposing our citizens to war..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Is it really, is that why we are fighting in Iraq, I don't think it's as bad as we Canadains protray it to be... Yeah, but it's liable to get worse. We've got pressure on to participate in BMD, pressure to start sending troops to Iraq... But sometimes we have a choice slay the dragons in someone else backyard ...or become fat and lazy waiting for them to arrive in our backyard, exposing our citizens to war..... I don't buy that one bit. Who has the capacity to invade Canada? (Uh oh...) Quote
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Black dog. QUOTE Is it really, is that why we are fighting in Iraq, I don't think it's as bad as we Canadains protray it to be... Yeah, but it's liable to get worse. We've got pressure on to participate in BMD, pressure to start sending troops to Iraq... This is my opinion only...I think Canada is supposed to be a mid world power....is it not time we start acting like it... BMD is a land based wpn sys designed as a defensive wpn...what is wrong with defending ourselfs...would it not be great if this wpn sys made launching any type of missile obsolete....as for sending troops into Iraq...The US may have entered Iraq for the wrong reasons....but it did send a message to other countries that slaughter there own by the millions....US forces are making a difference....time will prove that... QUOTE But sometimes we have a choice slay the dragons in someone else backyard ...or become fat and lazy waiting for them to arrive in our backyard, exposing our citizens to war..... I don't buy that one bit. Who has the capacity to invade Canada? (Uh oh...) WW I, WWII, are two examples of stopping them in there backyard.....power and greed are hard to stop once they gather momentum.... Any country with Amphibous /and or Hvy airlift...would it be sucessful is another question....Is it a concern ,Yes, NATO thinks so.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Black dog. QUOTE Is it really, is that why we are fighting in Iraq, I don't think it's as bad as we Canadains protray it to be... Yeah, but it's liable to get worse. We've got pressure on to participate in BMD, pressure to start sending troops to Iraq... This is my opinion only...I think Canada is supposed to be a mid world power....is it not time we start acting like it... BMD is a land based wpn sys designed as a defensive wpn...what is wrong with defending ourselfs...would it not be great if this wpn sys made launching any type of missile obsolete....as for sending troops into Iraq...The US may have entered Iraq for the wrong reasons....but it did send a message to other countries that slaughter there own by the millions....US forces are making a difference....time will prove that... QUOTE But sometimes we have a choice slay the dragons in someone else backyard ...or become fat and lazy waiting for them to arrive in our backyard, exposing our citizens to war..... I don't buy that one bit. Who has the capacity to invade Canada? (Uh oh...) WW I, WWII, are two examples of stopping them in there backyard.....power and greed are hard to stop once they gather momentum.... Any country with Amphibous /and or Hvy airlift...would it be sucessful is another question....Is it a concern ,Yes, NATO thinks so.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Black dog. QUOTE Is it really, is that why we are fighting in Iraq, I don't think it's as bad as we Canadains protray it to be... Yeah, but it's liable to get worse. We've got pressure on to participate in BMD, pressure to start sending troops to Iraq... This is my opinion only...I think Canada is supposed to be a mid world power....is it not time we start acting like it... BMD is a land based wpn sys designed as a defensive wpn...what is wrong with defending ourselfs...would it not be great if this wpn sys made launching any type of missile obsolete....as for sending troops into Iraq...The US may have entered Iraq for the wrong reasons....but it did send a message to other countries that slaughter there own by the millions....US forces are making a difference....time will prove that... QUOTE But sometimes we have a choice slay the dragons in someone else backyard ...or become fat and lazy waiting for them to arrive in our backyard, exposing our citizens to war..... I don't buy that one bit. Who has the capacity to invade Canada? (Uh oh...) WW I, WWII, are two examples of stopping them in there backyard.....power and greed are hard to stop once they gather momentum.... Any country with Amphibous /and or Hvy airlift...would it be sucessful is another question....Is it a concern ,Yes, NATO thinks so.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 This is my opinion only...I think Canada is supposed to be a mid world power....is it not time we start acting like it... Why? What's wrong with being a large Switzerland? BMD is a land based wpn sys designed as a defensive wpn...what is wrong with defending ourselfs...would it not be great if this wpn sys made launching any type of missile obsolete.... There's existing threads on BMD over in canada/US relations. I'd be happy to discuss BMD with you there. as for sending troops into Iraq...The US may have entered Iraq for the wrong reasons....but it did send a message to other countries that slaughter there own by the millions....US forces are making a difference....time will prove that... I think that's debatable as well. But the point is that it's not our job to join in with the U.S. or anyone else on any old adventure. WW I, WWII, are two examples of stopping them in there backyard.....power and greed are hard to stop once they gather momentum.... WWI was an imperial squabble that the infant Canada got pulled into because of our British ties. It was a war we should have stayed out of. In WW2, we faced a clear aggressor and a real threat to the world. However, the simple reality of U.S. dominance, and the advent of nuclear weapons means that such a threat is not likely to be seen again. Quote
Stoker Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 I have a solution that will solve everyone's problems: privatize the military. I mean, we hear all the time how the private sector is better when it come sto health care, education, energy, etc. etc. So why not get the government out of the military business? That way,, no more government waste or boondoggles like the Sea Kings or the submarines. No more expensive kickbacks to placel like Bombardier. And, at the same time, the government can then use the tax room to provide important doemstic programs. It's a win-win! I agree!!! But instead of relying on some sort of mercenary organization (I don't know if their is one large enough for our needs), let's sit down at the table with the Americans, and explain to them what services we require, then they can quote us a price.......we in turn pay in full. I say scrap it. Create new bodies that would oversee non military duties currently under the DND umbrella (ie. Coast guard, SAR) and maintain a small militia for domestic defense. Canada is lucky in that direct threats to our security and safety are few. But I see no need to go abroad in search of dragons to slay. I'd have no problem outsourcing Coast Guard and SAR duties to either the Americans or a private corporation. As for the Miltia, whatever happens with WRT Canada's Armed Forces, I'd be very much in favour of handing over control of the Miltia to the Provinces, akin to the United States national guard. Why? What's wrong with being a large Switzerland? Nothing, if the majority of Canadians favored that........I just doubt the Majority of Canadians would be in faovur of a form of forced National Service, and being required to be in the reserves intill retirement age. Can you sell it to the Canadian people though? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Stoker Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 QUOTE Why? What's wrong with being a large Switzerland? Nothing, if the majority of Canadians favored that........I just doubt the Majority of Canadians would be in faovur of a form of forced National Service, and being required to be in the reserves intill retirement age. Can you sell it to the Canadian people though? Not too mention, all the polls I've seen in the past suggests that the majority of Canadians favour playing a role on the world stage.........we just don't want to pay for it as all. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 I agree!!! But instead of relying on some sort of mercenary organization (I don't know if their is one large enough for our needs), let's sit down at the table with the Americans, and explain to them what services we require, then they can quote us a price.......we in turn pay in full. If we're going to sell out, we should sell out to the country that offers us the best deal. I say have an open call for contracts, best deal wins. I think the Chinese would probably be happy to ofer us a good price... I'd have no problem outsourcing Coast Guard and SAR duties to either the Americans or a private corporation. No. Coast Guard and SAR should be doemstic duties. I don't know why they are currently under the DND anyway. Nothing, if the majority of Canadians favored that........I just doubt the Majority of Canadians would be in faovur of a form of forced National Service, and being required to be in the reserves intill retirement age.Can you sell it to the Canadian people though? I meant Switzerland in the sense of being a neutral country with little "influence". Quote
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Black dog. QUOTE This is my opinion only...I think Canada is supposed to be a mid world power....is it not time we start acting like it... Why? What's wrong with being a large Switzerland? Even Switzerland knows and values it's defense department.....they also know that staying neutral has it's cost... There's existing threads on BMD over in canada/US relations. I'd be happy to discuss BMD with you there. I agree it is a subject all in it self. I think that's debatable as well. But the point is that it's not our job to join in with the U.S. or anyone else on any old adventure. I agree , to a piont if it fits in with Canada's moral and values why not....is it not our responsabilty as a mid world power to be the grown up... WWI was an imperial squabble that the infant Canada got pulled into because of our British ties. It was a war we should have stayed out of. At the time the majority of Canadians would not agree with you....I think it was the birth of Canada as a indepnedant nation (again a separate topic of discussion) the simple reality of U.S. dominance, and the advent of nuclear weapons means that such a threat is not likely to be seen again. US dominance does not garentee Canada with 100 % certainity that Canada as a nation will not be attack by any nation with those capabilities....Hence why we still are part of NATO...because without Nato what is going to keep the rest of the world in check.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Stoker Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 If we're going to sell out, we should sell out to the country that offers us the best deal. I say have an open call for contracts, best deal wins. I think the Chinese would probably be happy to ofer us a good price... I agree about having a open tender, but realistically only the United States has the capablitiy to meet our needs. No. Coast Guard and SAR should be doemstic duties. I don't know why they are currently under the DND anyway. The Coast Guard is under the DFO........"SAR" in not just DND's monoply, it's shared by DND, DFO, RCMP, Provicial Police forces, and all the way down to municilpe forces and even volunteer groups. Why not stream line it, and allow the Americans or a private corporation to tako on the entire duty? I meant Switzerland in the sense of being a neutral country with little "influence". Whats the difference, Canada already has little influence......it's just that most Canadians don't understand this. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 US dominance does not garentee Canada with 100 % certainity that Canada as a nation will not be attack by any nation with those capabilities....Hence why we still are part of NATO...because without Nato what is going to keep the rest of the world in check.... NATO was formed to counter the Soviet Bloc in Europe. There is no Soviet threat anymore. Today, the greatest threat to security is in the form of extranational terrorism, which is countered best with good intelligence and old-fashioned police work, not military force. As for "keep(ing) the rest of the world in check", that seems to be the fetish of the current U.S. administration. I'd rather not get in on that ballgame. Realistically speaking, what countries currently threaten Canadian doemstic interests? Why not stream line it, and allow the Americans or a private corporation to tako on the entire duty? Because then we might as well give up the whole idea of "Canada". Whats the difference, Canada already has little influence......it's just that most Canadians don't understand this. The differecne is that there's plenty of Candians who want Canada to be a big bad boy on the world stage. I'm less concerned with our national self-image and more concerned with practical solutions to actual problems. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Perhaps this is just the threat we need to get the liberal minded Canadians to spend money on thier own defense... I mean realistically the US is already giving us a free ride now...which is not very popular with americans right now...who might just demand we spend more on defense... I'd be interested in hearing how you are going to sell this to Canadians....because i'm not sure if i'm ready to give up everything that is Canadain. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Thing is, we can't just say "we need to spend more money on defense!" without knowing why and on what. That's like saying "we need to spend more money on home repair!" and then buying a new dishwasher while the ceiling caves in. Conservatives are always fond of saying you can't just throw money at a problem. Well, we can't just throw money at the military either. The DND needs a clear focus. In my opinion, that focus should be domestic defense, including divorcing ourselves from foreign influences. Quote
Stoker Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 Because then we might as well give up the whole idea of "Canada". So to prevent the "end of Canada", perhaps we should fund our miltary properly and in turn, not have to rely on the help of the United States or any other country for that mater to defend Canada and our intrests abroad. The differecne is that there's plenty of Candians who want Canada to be a big bad boy on the world stage. I'm less concerned with our national self-image and more concerned with practical solutions to actual problems. Fair enough....but we are, for the most part, doing neither and what we do manage to pull off, is only with the help of other NATO and allied countries, namely the United States. Wouldn't you like total Canadian independence? I would. Perhaps this is just the threat we need to get the liberal minded Canadians to spend money on thier own defense... I mean realistically the US is already giving us a free ride now...which is not very popular with americans right now...who might just demand we spend more on defense... Perhaps the best course of action the Americans could take, is that of a stance of tough love....ie no longer support us, and force Canadians to defend ourselves and our own citizens and intrests abroad. I'd be interested in hearing how you are going to sell this to Canadians....because i'm not sure if i'm ready to . If things contiune as is, you might not have a choice Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light.......... Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Black Dog Posted February 15, 2005 Report Posted February 15, 2005 If things contiune as is, you might not have a choice Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light.......... I'd like to see soem real facts that show just how much the U.S. "props up" Canada. How much of the U.S. defense budget is directed into tasks that Canada *should* be doing? Without some kind of quantification, it's easy to see "Canada's alleged overreliance on the 'mericans as a empty canard. Quote
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