Argus Posted September 2, 2017 Report Posted September 2, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 10:16 AM, SpankyMcFarland said: You mean the people who are most honest about their racism? These surveys may not be complete junk but they're not far off. For example, where are the Chinese, a notoriously racist group? I can't imagine that India and Pakistan would be so different either. Wealthier, better educated interviewees know what the right answers are and give them. Survey Canadians and you'll think racism has been all but abolished in this fair land. One of my South Asian relatives preferred South African whites to Canadians on this subject because they got the truth from them. The survey is an indication of less racism in the west, and it supports some pretty obvious logic. Where is the anti-discrimination efforts in the rest of the world? Where are the laws against racism or prejudice or 'hate speech'? Do other countries, aside from western ones, allow masses of immigrants from entirely different cultural and religious communities to come in and become citizens? It was noted often that while Muslims from the ME were flooding into Europe and Canada's Liberals were crying out for us to take in more the richest Arab states took in few or none. How many world refugees do the Saudis or Gulf Coast states, or for that matter, Iran or China allow into their countries? Canada sends people to refugee camps to bring over people who have nothing, including skills or education, and whose culture is diametrically opposed to ours. Do the Chinese or Saudis or Iranians do this? The idea is laughable. What about the Indians? They have the money to build nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines but they can't take in refugees from Syria? Why not? A few tens of thousands would hardly even be noticed, and it's not like there isn't already 180 million Muslims there. Why doesn't rich South Korea take in refugees or Japan? The answer is obvious. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 2, 2017 Report Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) On 8/23/2017 at 5:55 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: Not identical in appearance, even to me, and certainly not the same at the molecular level. If one took African, Arabian and Iraqi-Levantine Arab speakers as three groups, there would be differences between them in appearance. Probably be some differences between English spoken in Newfoundland, Canada England,, Ireland, and Australia but we're basically the same people with similar cultural afinities. There is no unanimity of appearance that would allow you to stand a Palestinians next to a Jordanian, next to a Syrian, next to a Saudi, next to an Egyptian and tell me which was which. But they would probably all express strong suspicions of and dislike for Jews. Edited September 2, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kactus Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Argus said: Quote Do other countries, aside from western ones, allow masses of immigrants from entirely different cultural and religious communities to come in and become citizens? It was noted often that while Muslims from the ME were flooding into Europe and Canada's Liberals were crying out for us to take in more the richest Arab states took in few or none. How many world refugees do the Saudis or Gulf Coast states, or for that matter, Iran or China allow into their countries? Since you asked the question I suggest you take a look at this article on Independent about refugees.....This is despite of the US sanctions on Iran.... Iran has sheltered approximately three million Afghans for almost four decades, a success story international officials say is ‘not told enough’ Full article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-refugee-resettlement-efforts-exemplary-un-praise-united-nations-a7633621.html Quote Canada sends people to refugee camps to bring over people who have nothing, including skills or education, and whose culture is diametrically opposed to ours. Do the Chinese or Saudis or Iranians do this? See above Edited September 3, 2017 by kactus Quote
kactus Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Rue said: 23 hours ago, kactus said: You have repeatedly lumped Iran and nazis in one category. What is pathetic is that whoever you disagree with you lump as one. Me, ghost, eye, Hudson. This is herd mentality which you embrace and accuse others. It is very rich coming from you! I have defended the rights of israelis to their own territory but your selective hearing only accepts things you want to hear. What I am totally against is your government's sick mentality to steal land from palestinians gradually and blame it on their behaviour. So long as you and the likes of you cannot understand this simple fact and how it plays in the psyche of a palestinian there will never be peace... Your paranoia even allows you to think members on this forum are one person ganging up on you! That's how ridiculous your assertions are by placing so much importance on yourself... You spew hatred against muslims and expect to be treated with respect? Why? You call anyone who disagrees with you as terrorist, anti semitic, hammas lover. Bla, bla, bla. Maybe you should be the one taking a hard look in the mirror... Rue said: 1. Your continuous allegation I am anti Arab. anti Iranian, anti Muslim remain unproven by you.. You have been unable to provide one word from me to evidence these allegations but you continue to throw them out to deflect from your own bigotry. It's a no brainer that you are and don't even try to hide your contempt and dislike for any of those countries... Quote 2. You came on this board arguing Jews have a distinct look and so look different then Arabs. When I asked you to explain how we look, you of course panicked realizing if you responded further you would have to engage in negative stereotypes as to Jewish physical characteristics exposing you for that you are-a miserable bigot. The attempt to deflect from it by calling me or Argus bigots has not detracted one iota from your bigotry. None sense! I never said that! My point of contention was with Argus, who said earlier Arabs are a bunch of herds before you butted into the conversation.....I never mentioned anything about jews....Stop it with this hallucination.... Quote 3. You stated " I have defended the rights of Israelis to their own territory." So has Hamas and the PA, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Iran. They also use the exact same phrase. Like you they do not support the right of Israel existing as a Jewish state, only as Muslim state with its own territory which is why you couched your words. You are dishonest and you play semantics. You do not support the right of Israel to be and exist as a Jewish state and never have. What you do support is Israel b eing turned into a Muslim state and the majority of Israelis being Muslim, so spare me the dishonest word games. Play that crap with someone else. Your dishonesty is staggering by trying to change what I said...What I said is clear: " I have defended the rights of Israelis to their own territory." The rest is your own added horse crap to falsely accuse me of something I never said! And that sir is pathetic attempt..... Quote 4. You want to call me paranoid I laugh. The anti semitic comments and taunts on this and other threads are there for all to see. Altai referring to me as a kafir and coming on a thread to change to subject to attack Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state is a fact. Eye telling me to go back to Israel and get out of his country of Canada is a fact. His posing as a Jew and being so stupid as to not know how and when to use the words Jew and Jewish when posing let alone having to then ask me speaks for itself. So does his and Hudson Jones attempting to suggest I am the big bad Rue of a Jew and no other Jew could possibly think like me0good Jews think like them. This coming from someone who referred to Zionism as a cancer that needs to be wiped out and then denied it was a violent reference to Israelis and yet to this day, Hudson Jones hasn't travelled to Israel to provide chemotherapy to Jewish Israelis. Then we have Ghost parsing articles to create false quotes and use a thread starter designed to smeer all Israelis as blood thirsty and make sure misquote so as to make it clear the blood thirsty Israeli he was questioning and suggesting all Israelis are the same as was a concentration camp survivor. It aint paranoia, its fact, and every time you want to come on this board and tell a Jew wat our place is in this universe, or what we look at or what a typical Jew is like Eye did or call me or any Jew the equivalent of a nig..er on this forum as Altai did, I will challenge it and call it out for what it is. You are paranoid and I have explained why when you have repeatedly accused me of holding multiple accounts or part of a tag team.... I don't care if you find that statement anti semitic. I am sick and tired of your accusation throwing in this anti semitic card nonsense to kill off a conversation....As for the rest of your comments again you are rambling on about something that I never said and talking about other posters you don't agree with. What has that got to do with me!?!?!? Quote 5. Oh I looked in the mirror and therein lies the problem. I look very close to you if not identical which is why I have to carefully take the time in life not just with words but in deeds to differentiate myself from what you stand for. Homework starts here...If you want to carry the good deeds which ironically derives from the philosophy of a country that you despise of and always diss on his forum then I suggest you start here... Quote good words good thoughts good deeds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism And a final word for you rue (As in french translates into road) This is your quote with tendency to mention Iran or muslims in the same line as Nazis. Indeed take a look into the mirror. It wasn't Iran that cause holocaust. Nazis did....So to put them in the same category is disingenuous to say the least.... Quote I am not a racist or a bigot if I believe fundamentalist Islam is incompatible with many of our democratic values that we fought hard to achieve. No I do not want a society that covers the faces of women, demands they be treated second class, and teaches its children people of other religions are inferior infidel kafir dhimmi the same reason I don't want neo Nazis coming in, Boca Raton coming in from Nigeria, Iranian terrorist sympathizers and so on. And finally... If you stand for something 'man up' and condemn the action of the Israeli government for illegal expansion of settlements in the occupied territory. Most of the civilised world bar Israel and the US are against that sir! Kactus the legend Edited September 3, 2017 by kactus Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 2:45 PM, Argus said: Probably be some differences between English spoken in Newfoundland, Canada England,, Ireland, and Australia but we're basically the same people with similar cultural afinities. There is no unanimity of appearance that would allow you to stand a Palestinians next to a Jordanian, next to a Syrian, next to a Saudi, next to an Egyptian and tell me which was which. But they would probably all express strong suspicions of and dislike for Jews. If I put a hundred Egyptians in front of you and a hundred Syrians, you would probably be able to see some general differences in appearance which are reflective of genetic differences. Their appearance overlaps but it is not exactly the same. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 17 hours ago, kactus said: Since you asked the question I suggest you take a look at this article on Independent about refugees.....This is despite of the US sanctions on Iran.... Iran has sheltered approximately three million Afghans for almost four decades, a success story international officials say is ‘not told enough’ Full article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-refugee-resettlement-efforts-exemplary-un-praise-united-nations-a7633621.html See above Those Afghan refugees in Iran have suffered a lot of discrimination, though. Quote
marcus Posted September 3, 2017 Author Report Posted September 3, 2017 Shazzam Kactus! --- This is the government and the system that Zionist fanboys continuously and unconditionally defend. Israel releases Palestinian clown after two years without trial Muhammad Abu Sakha, who teaches children with special needs at a circus school in the West Bank, is released after spending two years in Israeli prison. He was never once charged or brought to trial. Zionism is a sick ideology. What they do to the Palestinians and have done to the Palestinians would NEVER be accepted in Canada. The treatment of the Palestinians, whether they live in the occupied territories or inside Israel is much different than how Israeli Jews are treated. This is discrimination and racism. 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) On 2017-09-02 at 2:43 PM, Argus said: The survey is an indication of less racism in the west, and it supports some pretty obvious logic. Where is the anti-discrimination efforts in the rest of the world? Where are the laws against racism or prejudice or 'hate speech'? Do other countries, aside from western ones, allow masses of immigrants from entirely different cultural and religious communities to come in and become citizens? It was noted often that while Muslims from the ME were flooding into Europe and Canada's Liberals were crying out for us to take in more the richest Arab states took in few or none. How many world refugees do the Saudis or Gulf Coast states, or for that matter, Iran or China allow into their countries? Canada sends people to refugee camps to bring over people who have nothing, including skills or education, and whose culture is diametrically opposed to ours. Do the Chinese or Saudis or Iranians do this? The idea is laughable. What about the Indians? They have the money to build nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines but they can't take in refugees from Syria? Why not? A few tens of thousands would hardly even be noticed, and it's not like there isn't already 180 million Muslims there. Why doesn't rich South Korea take in refugees or Japan? The answer is obvious. Yes. All I am saying is that surveys are a tricky way to measure this. Behaviour is a far more reliable indicator. Forget about Syrians - look how India has treated Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka, for example. Given that you have severely criticized Canadian immigration policy elsewhere, do you see developing countries as having better policies and attitudes? Edited September 4, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Rue Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, kactus said: It's a no brainer that you are and don't even try to hide your contempt and dislike for any of those countries... None sense! I never said that! My point of contention was with Argus, who said earlier Arabs are a bunch of herds before you butted into the conversation.....I never mentioned anything about jews....Stop it with this hallucination.... Your dishonesty is staggering by trying to change what I said...What I said is clear: " I have defended the rights of Israelis to their own territory." The rest is your own added horse crap to falsely accuse me of something I never said! And that sir is pathetic attempt..... You are paranoid and I have explained why when you have repeatedly accused me of holding multiple accounts or part of a tag team.... I don't care if you find that statement anti semitic. I am sick and tired of your accusation throwing in this anti semitic card nonsense to kill off a conversation....As for the rest of your comments again you are rambling on about something that I never said and talking about other posters you don't agree with. What has that got to do with me!?!?!? Homework starts here...If you want to carry the good deeds which ironically derives from the philosophy of a country that you despise of and always diss on his forum then I suggest you start here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism And a final word for you rue (As in french translates into road) This is your quote with tendency to mention Iran or muslims in the same line as Nazis. Indeed take a look into the mirror. It wasn't Iran that cause holocaust. Nazis did....So to put them in the same category is disingenuous to say the least.... And finally... If you stand for something 'man up' and condemn the action of the Israeli government for illegal expansion of settlements in the occupied territory. Most of the civilised world bar Israel and the US are against that sir! Kactus the legend 1. I am very open about by opinions on the Arab League of Nations, Algeria, Niger, Chad, Dahomey, Senegal, Malawi, Nigeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen. the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Phillippines in regards to extreme Muslim views practiced in these nations or by the applicable governments I mention. The difference is when I challenge the governments or the manner in which governments or area councils administer sharia law I make it clear it is governments, specific extremist Mullahs-Imams or terror cells I challenge, not the entire people of these nations. So to suggest I hide this is a crock of shit. 2. Nothing in what you provided and quote from me backed up your false allegations that I lump all Muslims, All Arabs, all Iranians, anyone as evil or Nazis. You took one statement I said and thought because I used the words "dark skinned " which was not originated by me, you could use those two words to smeer me as racist. In fact I challenged a poster in another thread on Canadian immigration who I felt unfairly suggested the only issues regarding immigration are simply racism against dark skinned people a phrase the other poster suggested not I and I was only responding to. 3.Next, no I do not want Boca Raton in this country. 4. I consider Iran a bigoted, facist, Muslim theocracy actively aiding terrorists kill across the world and in the Middle East and are responsible for wide spread hatred and even deaths of Kuds, Yazidis, Ismailis, Amidyah Muslims, Sunni Muslims , Zorosatreans, Bahaiis, Jews, Christians, gays, feminists, trade unionists, Berbers, Sand journalists. . 5. The fact I have the opinions expressed in 1-4 does not make me a racist. 6. Your continuing attempt to make allegations you can't prove with my words again evidences you simply try dettract from your own words I challenged, specifically your bigoted, anti-Semitic double standard against Israel for existing as a Jewish state and your blatantly ignorant and bigoted statement Jews look different. You accused me and Argus of being racist for arguing there was no physical difference and to date you will not rettract the statement and now you out and out deny it. 7. I have openly stated numerous times my opinions on the legal issues as to West Bank land title ownership and you now lie, out and out lie that I support or remain silent about illegal activities again repeating your technique to throw out false allegations to try get me to respond so we go off tangent and steer away from your original false statements so you can try cover up the fact you can't defend them. 8. Last but not least, I call you out now as a liar. If you claim as you are trying to, that you support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, state it. You don't. I am saying you don't and never have and the only thing you are capable of doing and you do it in a clumsy and half assed manner is try play the games of deflection or spew ambiguous meaningless words about to couch and hide your true agenda, which is to deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, only come on the board with negative news items about it or when someone else provides one, to try then twist and change the thread to justify an indiscriminate attack against Jews for being Jews, Israel for being Jewish and Jews for being Zionists or in the case of anyone else, anyone who calls out Muslims, Arabs or Iranians who support anti-Semitism and terrorism . Edited September 3, 2017 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Yes. All I am saying is that surveys are a tricky way to measure this. Behaviour is a far more reliable indicator. Forget about Syrians - look how India has treated Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka, for example. Muslim on Muslim violence is a fact. The Muslim war between Sunni factions is a fact. The Muslim war between Shiite factions is a fact. The Muslim war between Shiites v. Sunni Muslims is a fact, The Sunni Muslim and Shiite Muslim war against Ismaili and Amidyah Muslims is a fact. The Muslim wars and clashes with Hindus, Siekhs, Buddhists, Bahaiis, Zoroastreans,, Jews, Coptic, Assyrian and other Christians, Yazidis, is a fact The Muslim wars and clashes within China, Russia and former Soviet satellite republics is a fact. Muslim wars against Berbers, Kurds, non Muslim Africans is a fact. Domestic violence and sexual violence within Muslim families is a fact. Muslim racism and in fact the systemic practice if defining Muslims by tone of skin colour is a fact. The use of darker skinned Muslims from Africa, or the Phillippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Bangladesh particularly those with dark skin, as cheap expected labour is a fact. The thousands of years of wars and violence within Muslim societies and outside Muslim societies is a fact. The violence, intolerance and hatred shown to progressive Muslims against homophobia, sexism is a fact. Muslim sharia law implemented violence and terrorism against trade unions, worker's groups, human rights groups, is a fact. Muslim sharia law's open discrimination of non Muslims and defining non Muslims as khafir and dhimmi is out and out discrimination instituted within all its state and religious laws. Asking these questions, does it make someone anti Muslim? Does the fact I openly support progressive Muslims who question Muslim fascism and anti-Semitism make me anti Muslim? How is it the same Liberals who claim calling any Muslims terrorists is unfair don't recognize some Muslims are terrorists and by refusing to call them out-it empowers them to hide behind their religion and it flies in the face of what progressive Muslims are trying to challenge? How is it supporting fascist terrorist is the tolerant enlightened thing to do? What causes a Liberal to be so afraid of Muslims not to call certain ones out? The nature of this thread was to label all Jews as evil for creating a nation. I am not hear to defend Israel state policies that are flawed or unfair. I am here to unequivocally support its right to exist as a Jewish state and defend itself against Muslim jihadists or anyone else. Israel has many flaws but not one, not one Muslim country offers the rights to Jews and other non Jews, as Israel does for Muslims and non Jews in Israel. That is measured in objective fact such as Muslim Judges, access to hospitals, standard of living, level of employment, access to free legal representation, land ownership rights, access to schools, calorie in-take and diet, number of toilets, access to fresh water. Israel has issues. Its not perfect. But the people on this thread pissing on it take news articles they think are negative, to start the thread, then change the subject to attack Israel for existing as a Jewish state. The decision to attack my integrity as a Jew and ridicule my being a Jew is part and parcel of it and its why these same detractors won't disclose their own Muslim identities-precisely because they think people will find out their true agendas and beliefs. For every asshole with a stale scripted piss on Israel script is an example of a Muslim and Jew, Palestinian and Israeli getting along. Having Palestinians hate Israelis or vice versavdirectly benefitted corrupt Arab regimes focusing attention way from their failures and tyranny against their own people but it no longer works. Quote
hot enough Posted September 3, 2017 Report Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Rue said: For every asshole with a stale scripted piss on Israel script is an example of a Muslim and Jew, Palestinian and Israeli getting along. Having Palestinians hate Israelis or vice versavdirectly benefitted corrupt Arab regimes focusing attention way from their failures and tyranny against their own people but it no longer works. You know, Rue, if you would simply tell the truth, you wouldn't have to write all these long, boring, diversionary screeds. Quote Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal By YOUSEF MUNAYYERMAY 23, 2012 Washington I’M a Palestinian who was born in the Israeli town of Lod, and thus I am an Israeli citizen. My wife is not; she is a Palestinian from Nablus in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. Despite our towns being just 30 miles apart, we met almost 6,000 miles away in Massachusetts, where we attended neighboring colleges. A series of walls, checkpoints, settlements and soldiers fill the 30-mile gap between our hometowns, making it more likely for us to have met on the other side of the planet than in our own backyard. Never is this reality more profound than on our trips home from our current residence outside Washington. Tel Aviv’s Ben-Gurion International Airport is on the outskirts of Lod (Lydda in Arabic), but because my wife has a Palestinian ID, she cannot fly there; she is relegated to flying to Amman, Jordan. If we plan a trip together — an enjoyable task for most couples — we must prepare for a logistical nightmare that reminds us of our profound inequality before the law at every turn. Even if we fly together to Amman, we are forced to take different bridges, two hours apart, and endure often humiliating waiting and questioning just to cross into Israel and the West Bank. The laws conspire to separate us. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/opinion/not-all-israeli-citizens-are-equal.html?mcubz=0 I simply cannot grasp how people can try to advance the fatuous notions that Israel isn't an apartheid state. Edited September 3, 2017 by hot enough Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Rue said: Muslim on Muslim violence is a fact. The Muslim war between Sunni factions is a fact. The Muslim war between Shiite factions is a fact. The Muslim war between Shiites v. Sunni Muslims is a fact, The Sunni Muslim and Shiite Muslim war against Ismaili and Amidyah Muslims is a fact. The Muslim wars and clashes with Hindus, Siekhs, Buddhists, Bahaiis, Zoroastreans,, Jews, Coptic, Assyrian and other Christians, Yazidis, is a fact The Muslim wars and clashes within China, Russia and former Soviet satellite republics is a fact. Muslim wars against Berbers, Kurds, non Muslim Africans is a fact. Domestic violence and sexual violence within Muslim families is a fact. Muslim racism and in fact the systemic practice if defining Muslims by tone of skin colour is a fact. The use of darker skinned Muslims from Africa, or the Phillippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Bangladesh particularly those with dark skin, as cheap expected labour is a fact. The thousands of years of wars and violence within Muslim societies and outside Muslim societies is a fact. The violence, intolerance and hatred shown to progressive Muslims against homophobia, sexism is a fact. Muslim sharia law implemented violence and terrorism against trade unions, worker's groups, human rights groups, is a fact. Muslim sharia law's open discrimination of non Muslims and defining non Muslims as khafir and dhimmi is out and out discrimination instituted within all its state and religious laws. Asking these questions, does it make someone anti Muslim? Does the fact I openly support progressive Muslims who question Muslim fascism and anti-Semitism make me anti Muslim? How is it the same Liberals who claim calling any Muslims terrorists is unfair don't recognize some Muslims are terrorists and by refusing to call them out-it empowers them to hide behind their religion and it flies in the face of what progressive Muslims are trying to challenge? How is it supporting fascist terrorist is the tolerant enlightened thing to do? What causes a Liberal to be so afraid of Muslims not to call certain ones out? The nature of this thread was to label all Jews as evil for creating a nation. I am not hear to defend Israel state policies that are flawed or unfair. I am here to unequivocally support its right to exist as a Jewish state and defend itself against Muslim jihadists or anyone else. Israel has many flaws but not one, not one Muslim country offers the rights to Jews and other non Jews, as Israel does for Muslims and non Jews in Israel. That is measured in objective fact such as Muslim Judges, access to hospitals, standard of living, level of employment, access to free legal representation, land ownership rights, access to schools, calorie in-take and diet, number of toilets, access to fresh water. Israel has issues. Its not perfect. But the people on this thread pissing on it take news articles they think are negative, to start the thread, then change the subject to attack Israel for existing as a Jewish state. The decision to attack my integrity as a Jew and ridicule my being a Jew is part and parcel of it and its why these same detractors won't disclose their own Muslim identities-precisely because they think people will find out their true agendas and beliefs. For every asshole with a stale scripted piss on Israel script is an example of a Muslim and Jew, Palestinian and Israeli getting along. Having Palestinians hate Israelis or vice versavdirectly benefitted corrupt Arab regimes focusing attention way from their failures and tyranny against their own people but it no longer works. Is that a reply to what I wrote? I don't think I excluded the possibility of Muslim bad behaviour and whatever the heck else you wrote up there by pointing out one more example of how developing countries treat refugees of the same religion. Quote
kactus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Those Afghan refugees in Iran have suffered a lot of discrimination, though. Whilst that is true in some cases you are probably unaware of the crimes committed by some of those afghan refugees... But without diverting any further my point was to Argus who claimed non of the countries in the middle east including Iran take any refugees. Iran does as the article suggests and that is despite the systematic sanctions imposed on by the West, something that is conveniently ignored.... Quote
kactus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 15 hours ago, Rue said: 1. I am very open about by opinions on the Arab League of Nations, Algeria, Niger, Chad, Dahomey, Senegal, Malawi, Nigeria, Tunisia, Sudan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen. the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Phillippines in regards to extreme Muslim views practiced in these nations or by the applicable governments I mention. The difference is when I challenge the governments or the manner in which governments or area councils administer sharia law I make it clear it is governments, specific extremist Mullahs-Imams or terror cells I challenge, not the entire people of these nations. So to suggest I hide this is a crock of shit. Crock of shit is what is continuously uttered when I see these comments.... fyi Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Phillippines are not on the Arab league of nations last time I checked so your opinions are irrelevant.....I have sen you on numerous occasions generalising your comments towards all muslims and have the tendency to throw the name of Iran and blame them for all the problems in the ME....That is a crock of shit..... Quote 2. Nothing in what you provided and quote from me backed up your false allegations that I lump all Muslims, All Arabs, all Iranians, anyone as evil or Nazis. You took one statement I said and thought because I used the words "dark skinned " which was not originated by me, you could use those two words to smeer me as racist. In fact I challenged a poster in another thread on Canadian immigration who I felt unfairly suggested the only issues regarding immigration are simply racism against dark skinned people a phrase the other poster suggested not I and I was only responding to. But you do and you know what you are one of those sillier majorities that don't give hoot about arabs but as soon as one mentioned the name of Israel you are all over this forum intimidating them with anti semitism crap.... Quote 3.Next, no I do not want Boca Raton in this country. ..... Quote 4. I consider Iran a bigoted, facist, Muslim theocracy actively aiding terrorists kill across the world and in the Middle East and are responsible for wide spread hatred and even deaths of Kuds, Yazidis, Ismailis, Amidyah Muslims, Sunni Muslims , Zorosatreans, Bahaiis, Jews, Christians, gays, feminists, trade unionists, Berbers, Sand journalists. . Absolute none sense. The problem with you is that you make Israel's problem with Iran a worldwide problem...I have seen comments like yours by the same typical haters who want to turn the world against that country... I have debated you about your proof that Kurds are massacred in Iran and have literally butchered your unsubstantiated remarks to pieces on another thread. And so far no response...So don't you even dare to go there.... You know very well there are conflicts between the two sects of Shiite and Sunni and have this tendency to throw this every now and then. Maybe you should ask your pals in Saudi Arabia whom Israel is costing up to at the moment the very same question about their activities. Hmmmm! Quote 5. The fact I have the opinions expressed in 1-4 does not make me a racist. The fact is you have no credibility in expressing those views when you know so little about those countries.... Quote 6. Your continuing attempt to make allegations you can't prove with my words again evidences you simply try dettract from your own words I challenged, specifically your bigoted, anti-Semitic double standard against Israel for existing as a Jewish state and your blatantly ignorant and bigoted statement Jews look different. You accused me and Argus of being racist for arguing there was no physical difference and to date you will not rettract the statement and now you out and out deny it. Argus has said there is no difference in appearance between a Saudi and a Syrian or Egyptian or Iraqi and they are all like bunch of herds. And when I questioned him you butted him to defend him and make a correction. I have told you this so many times but you don't get it.... You can shovel that anti semitic crap when you have no respect for others....There you go you and anyone else for that matter can go and whine now and call me whatever hell you want to. Quote 7. I have openly stated numerous times my opinions on the legal issues as to West Bank land title ownership and you now lie, out and out lie that I support or remain silent about illegal activities again repeating your technique to throw out false allegations to try get me to respond so we go off tangent and steer away from your original false statements so you can try cover up the fact you can't defend them. But you are and not very vocal as it seems on the crimes committed by Israel against Palestinians... That clearly shows you are biased since you support these policies by the government. There is no false statement and going round the bush. I have expressed it very clearly. Quote 8. Last but not least, I call you out now as a liar. If you claim as you are trying to, that you support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, state it. You don't. I am saying you don't and never have and the only thing you are capable of doing and you do it in a clumsy and half assed manner is try play the games of deflection or spew ambiguous meaningless words about to couch and hide your true agenda, which is to deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, only come on the board with negative news items about it or when someone else provides one, to try then twist and change the thread to justify an indiscriminate attack against Jews for being Jews, Israel for being Jewish and Jews for being Zionists or in the case of anyone else, anyone who calls out Muslims, Arabs or Iranians who support anti-Semitism and terrorism . You can think whatever you want but you cannot speak on behalf of me especially when I have already expressed Israel's right to exist (within its own territory!) If one has a selective hearing it's not my problem...Look yourself in the mirror before accusing others of the things that you do! You know what rue the more you are gonna tell me I am anti semitic, anti jewish bla bla bla the more I get convinced there's some element of paranoia. I mean it is very simple for anyone to utter those words just as I can call you a fascist for supporting Bibi. Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst hat zwei... Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 14 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Is that a reply to what I wrote? No, Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 5 hours ago, kactus said: fyi Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Phillippines are not on the Arab league of nations last time I checked so your opinions are irrelevant.....I have sen you on numerous occasions generalising your comments towards all muslims and have the tendency to throw the name of Iran and blame them for all the problems in the ME....That is a crock of shit..... But you do and you know what you are one of those sillier majorities that don't give hoot about arabs but as soon as one mentioned the name of Israel you are all over this forum intimidating them with anti semitism crap.... ..... Absolute none sense. The problem with you is that you make Israel's problem with Iran a worldwide problem...I have seen comments like yours by the same typical haters who want to turn the world against that country... I have debated you about your proof that Kurds are massacred in Iran and have literally butchered your unsubstantiated remarks to pieces on another thread. And so far no response...So don't you even dare to go there.... You know very well there are conflicts between the two sects of Shiite and Sunni and have this tendency to throw this every now and then. Maybe you should ask your pals in Saudi Arabia whom Israel is costing up to at the moment the very same question about their activities. Hmmmm! The fact is you have no credibility in expressing those views when you know so little about those countries.... Argus has said there is no difference in appearance between a Saudi and a Syrian or Egyptian or Iraqi and they are all like bunch of herds. And when I questioned him you butted him to defend him and make a correction. I have told you this so many times but you don't get it.... You can shovel that anti semitic crap when you have no respect for others....There you go you and anyone else for that matter can go and whine now and call me whatever hell you want to. But you are and not very vocal as it seems on the crimes committed by Israel against Palestinians... That clearly shows you are biased since you support these policies by the government. There is no false statement and going round the bush. I have expressed it very clearly. You can think whatever you want but you cannot speak on behalf of me especially when I have already expressed Israel's right to exist (within its own territory!) If one has a selective hearing it's not my problem...Look yourself in the mirror before accusing others of the things that you do! You know what rue the more you are gonna tell me I am anti semitic, anti jewish bla bla bla the more I get convinced there's some element of paranoia. I mean it is very simple for anyone to utter those words just as I can call you a fascist for supporting Bibi. Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst hat zwei... 1. I never stated all the countries I quoted were Arab League nations. 2. Claiming I don't give a hoot about Arabs when your sole purpose is to come on this forum and denigrate Israel for existing as a Jewish state and condoning the anti semitic comments on it is another example of deflection. This thread was not about me or Arabs it was about an accusation about Netanyahu being a racist when then was used to smeer all Israelis and the state of Israel's existence as racist then to attack me personally for being a Jew and believing Jews have a right to a Jewish nation. Try as you may to change the subject and deflect it does not. 3. The problem with Iran is not just Israel's problem but the world's problem as Iran finances terrorism across the world. I fact Iran is first and foremost a Muslim problem as Iran kills more Muslims than any other country through the financing of terror. 4. For you to deny Iran has killed and engaged in mass slaughter of Kurds speaks for itself. That is public fact and domain, just as its massacre and torture of Bahaiis, Zoroastreans, on and on. Your denial and defence of Iran should make it clear who you are and what your agenda is as do the comments on Saudi Arabia. 5. I certainly have more credibility than you discussing the Middle East. I have lived in Israel and volunteered on the West Bank and in Gaza on peace projects and had to clean up after a terrorist attack. That makes you to me a piss-ant, a poser, a jihadi arm chair warrior who doesn't have the balls to come out of the closet and explain his true agenda. 6. There is no physical difference in the Arab and Jewish peoples. They are of all physical characteristics. Your racist attempt to suggest they look difference should be condemned for the racist bullshit that it is. I do notice now you have admitted to your racist comment and no longer deny it. You are a racist. T he attempt to suggest Arabs look different than one another is bullshit. They look no different than anyone else ranging from pale white blue eyed to coal black with every shape of nose, every type of hair texture, etc. Your inference that Argus suggested all Arabs look the same is racist is the exact opposite. Its you trying to suggest there is a difference so you can engage in bullshit divide and conquer Arab elitism whereby people are defined by skin tone, nose shape. Muslims and Arabs can be some of the worst racists precisely because they engage in what you do this attempt to say people look different. Bullshit. The differences you try promote don't exist anymore than they do between anyone anywhere in the world. I unlike you lived with Beduins and Palestinians Druze, Kurds, Jews of all kinds No one could tell the difference looking at such people or me for that matter and and your kind of racism would define me as white when I know many Arabs who look just like me. 7. I don't speak on behalf of you and have never tried. I challenge what you say. 8. I don't respect your racism and attempts to stereotype what Arabs look like in any way shape o r fashion just as I reject your anti Semitism-for the exact same reasons. 9. I Have never hid and make it clear as can be I support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. I have also made it clear what Israeli state policies I don't agree with. Unlike you I don't pretend to be criticizing an anti Israeli policy but in fact go on to use that pretense to question Israel for existing as a Jewish state, and questioning me for being a Jew for believing Jews have a right to a collective identity expressed through a state. Unlike you I do not hide my ethnic identity, I put my opinions clearly out on the board and I have never like you smeered all Arabs, all Iranians, all Muslims as you have Israelis, Zionists and Jews. In fact the words you reproduced allegedly showing I smeered all Iranians, Arabs, Muslims did not show that at all. 10. I now call you out again as a liar and state clearly and unequivocally you will not state on this forum Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state. You won't because you don't believe it does. Your semantic bullshit that Israel has a right to a territory deliberately omits any reference to Israel being a Jewish state. You use the same avoidance phrase Hamas and the PA and al Muslim extremist anti semites use-a reference that makes sure never to acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state. You fool no one. 11. Calling me paranoid, is par for the course. Its what you do. You've called me racist, anti Arab, anti Iranian. You think if you call me names, it deflects from your racist depiction of Arabs, your bull shit semantic game about recognizing Israel, and your refusal to condone anti Semitism that was demonstrated on this thread. You came on this board to call names to deflect from anti semitic comments that had nothing to do with the subject of the thread. You demonstrate it each time you respond to me. 12. You are a coward. I have given you a chance to state you believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state, and all you can do is name call to deflect from the fact you won't say that because you don't agree with it. The more you respond and refuse to state that the more you show what an insincere and quite frankly useless propagandist you are. The one thing consistent about you jihadi arm chair warriors demanding people support Iran on this forum is you box yourself in a corner. You paint yourself in a corner with your hatred of Jews and Israel and you can't get out. Lol, go on, any time you want to explain why Arabs look different then one another and you know the difference, I am waiting, You still have not. Go on, state you recognize the right of Israel to be a Jewish state. You have been asked two simple things-you can't answer those two things-all you can do is name call me to avoid answering them-you can't answer them because your answers would reveal you to be an anti-Semitic, anti-Arab bigot. Let me tell you something about playing jihadi arm chair warrior with me. You are no legend. You haven't a clue who Persians, Arabs, Muslims, Jews, Israelis, Kurds, Zionists are. You are a sheltered mouthpiece whose reality comes from the internet and various web sites. Get it clear. When one picks up body parts after a terrorist attack there is no difference between Persian, Kurd, Jew, Arab, Muslim, Jew whatever. The fact you can't grasp that and Argus does speaks loudly. It speaks loudly to your herd mentality, a group psychosis, a hatred you think you have learned from someone who taught you your identity is predicated on hating Jews for being equals and having their own country. I don't speak for you,. I smell your odour and identify it. In the desert that smell carries hundreds of miles in the wind. Yoiu'd know that if you ever lived there. Legend my ass. Just a camel farting down wind. Quote
Argus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 8:26 PM, kactus said: Since you asked the question I suggest you take a look at this article on Independent about refugees.....This is despite of the US sanctions on Iran.... Iran has sheltered approximately three million Afghans for almost four decades, a success story international officials say is ‘not told enough’ Laudable, but I note they're partly responsible for the fighting in Afghanistan, stirring the pot and helping the insurgents, and that none of the Afghans are permitted to apply for citizenship. That is what were't talking about, remember. All those Palestinians sitting in refugee camps, born in Syria or Jordan or Egypt and never permitted to apply for citizenship. All the Jews driven out of Arab lands were embraced by Israel and became citizens. Refugees from around the world come to Canada and become citizens. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 22 hours ago, marcus said: Shazzam Kactus! --- This is the government and the system that Zionist fanboys continuously and unconditionally defend. Israel releases Palestinian clown after two years without trial Muhammad Abu Sakha, who teaches children with special needs at a circus school in the West Bank, is released after spending two years in Israeli prison. He was never once charged or brought to trial. And how many prisoners are rotting in Palestinian - or Egyptian or Syrian or Iranian prisons who have never been charged with anything? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Yes. All I am saying is that surveys are a tricky way to measure this. Behaviour is a far more reliable indicator. Forget about Syrians - look how India has treated Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka, for example. Given that you have severely criticized Canadian immigration policy elsewhere, do you see developing countries as having better policies and attitudes? No, but those who try to say we're racist or Israel is racist are ignoring the obvious and much greater racism of most of the rest of the world. Edited September 4, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Rue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Now that Kactus has been outed as an apologist for the state of Iran and in his response to me has denied Iran persecutes or has persecuted Kurds, he can go to th 2017-2017 Amnesty International report and deny it. amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran In fact Iran still openly persecutes Sufis, Bahaiis, Yaresan, Christian converts and Sufis. It openly engages in discrimination against Ahwazi Arabs, Azerbaijani, Turks, Baluchis, Turkmen as well as Kurds. For Kactus to come on this board and try deny this speaks for itself and his agenda. Let's be clear. His script he spews is not allowed to acknowledge how Iran treats its own citizens nor is he allowed to state Israel should exist as a Jewish state. Lol, you want to talk about paranoia, ask him what would happen to him if he stated he supports Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state or that Iran is a racist, bigoted state that tortures its citizens, journalists and hey in one case lashed minders for daring complain about employment conditions. Yah its one utopia. Quote
hot enough Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Rue said: Now that Kactus has been outed as an apologist for the state of Iran and in his response to me has denied Iran persecutes or has persecuted Kurds, Another evidence free post, Rue. Why do you do this? It only makes you look foolish. Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argus said: And how many prisoners are rotting in Palestinian - or Egyptian or Syrian or Iranian prisons who have never been charged with anything? 20 hours ago, hot enough said: You know, Rue, if you would simply tell the truth, you wouldn't have to write all these long, boring, diversionary screeds. I simply cannot grasp how people can try to advance the fatuous notions that Israel isn't an apartheid state. Possible explanations could be: 1-its not fatuous it is actual fact 2-you have a preconceived notion that Israel is an apartheid nation and are not intelligent enough to be able to perceive, conceive that it is not 3-you are unable to acknowledge any opinion other than your own 4-you have never been to Israel or any sharia law nation 5-your understading comes from a computer in mama's basement and only reading certain web sites 4-you are an onboxious idiot trying to engage me with a stupid close ended subjective opinion that precludes any debate and shows a complete and utter disrespect for any opinion other than your own. I go with all of the above. You might also want to go to this site for further assistance: https://ca.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_500/500_negative-side-effects-of-masturbation.html Edited September 4, 2017 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, hot enough said: Another evidence free post, Rue. Why do you do this? It only makes you look foolish. Try read preceding posts before you come on this board and try engage me. It makes you look like an idiot. Now run along. I appreciate you need attention from me but you got your quota for the month. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Argus said: No, but those who try to say we're racist or Israel is racist are ignoring the obvious and much greater racism of most of the rest of the world. I start with the proposition that everyone is 'racist'. We do a better job than most at overcoming our natural tendencies, and Canada is less racist than most countries. There's a clear as day difference between us and the Israelis, though. We don't live in a Christian state. We don't have a West Bank where everything you can do is determined by your tribal identity. Israel May Beverly less racist and bigoted than the countries around it but it is very different from Canada. Edited September 4, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 On 2017-09-03 at 2:22 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: If I put a hundred Egyptians in front of you and a hundred Syrians, you would probably be able to see some general differences in appearance which are reflective of genetic differences. Their appearance overlaps but it is not exactly the same. Bull shit. If you actually lived in the Middle East you would know better. You could not tell the difference between a Libyan and Italian, Algerian, Morroccan or Tunisian, Egyptian and Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian on and on. There is no one Arab look just as there is no one Jewish look or one Persian look. Arabs who could be Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Druze, Beduin, etc. have no distinct look,. There never has been one. One day in Israel or Jordan and 'd know that. Go on explain it like I asked Kactus. Explain what would be the physical differences between Egyptians and Syrians you would find. Explain. He can't, how about you? What nose shape, hair colour, skin tone? Bull shit. You can't. There is no distinct difference. Isn't it ironic I and Argus are called racist because we challenge physical stereotyping of Arabs. They do not have a distinct look. Clothing styles might change but there is no physically distinct characteristic. In fact your claim has been blown away in cross cultural workshops where no one could tell the difference between Greeks, Turks, North Africans, Persians, Arabs, Latinos, Jews, Italians, Irish, Roma and so on. The subjective stereotypes we come up with are not based on fact but subjective perception which is necessarily inaccurate. There are ample articles, books and studies on the myth of race, how we subjectively stereotype looks and what actual genetic traits that differentiate people are and those traits do not deal with skin tone, nostril shape, skin tone, hair texture. The genetic blood type of Jews and Arabs and Kurds is related. That's what defines genetic type. Calling Arabs physical different from each other is absolute bullshit. Its the very racist stereotypes elitist Arabs use to abuse darker skinned Arabs. Its bull shit. Of course I challenge it the same way blacks will tell you that you are full of shit telling them there is a certain black look. You know how many times I have heard in my life, funny you don't look Jewish. Its a crock. Its an absolute crock. Go on tell me does Doug Flutie look like an Arab? I can show you people from India that look identical like twin brothers to Ralph Nader and they are not Arab. I can show you Jews that look just like whites, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, Turks, Latinos, on and on. I guarantee you would not know the difference between a Mexican, a Brazilian, a Jew, a Jordanian and Iranian, a Yemeni an Iraqi. You think all Libyans look the same? Bull shit. I have seen blonde haired, blue eyed Arabs and Jews. I guarantee you that Siekh women and Arab and Latino women would be mistaken as one and the same. It all depends on the frame of reference you are using. Arabs are not distinct look anymore than anyone else is. Its their clothing, their religion, their political, cultural, economic, dietary values that might differentiate them. Been there done that. The crap you engage in is exactly why Arabs discriminate against one another. They buy into your crap. Its as negative as Haitiens defining their desireability by skin tone. This standard of defining people by skin colour, nose shape, its a crock of shit. The arguments Argus puts forth are about political and religious views that are fundamentally opposed to or in conflict with democratic values. He has the right to do that about Islamic values that clash as much as he does any other ethnic or religious group's values and no, this racist bullshit that its racist not to differentiate Arabs by their nose size or lip size is a crock of shit. But hey you and Kactus enlighten me. Tell me the physical differences. Please do. Quote
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