Netanyahu: Outraged by Expressions of Racism

Rue · August 17, 2017

At this point I have "Marcus" throwing out unreferenced and what appear to be parsed quotes.

I have someone posing as a Turkish young woman engaging in Jew baiting.

I have Marcus arguing Netanyahu who is a racist is outraged at racism.

I have alleged quotes pointing out there is friction and distrust between Israelis and Palestinians and this means all Israelis are racist and so should remain silent on racism and neo Nazism.

Its an interesting thread in that it shows:

1-a distinct pattern of who gets cued with what name as to what response;

2-the repeat use of fabricated quotes to try deflect from the previous comments when the writer has no idea how to respond to the challenge made to them.

It also shows how a supposed thread on Israel is used to insult all Jews and Israelis with insulting references.

There is no country in the world where racism and intolerance does not exist.

On this thread however, the whole point is to single it out in Israel to make inferences that since Jews are no different than neo Nazis, they should not speak out about them.

That is the pith and substance of this thread, that is why its anti semitic.

I also expose this pattern:

1-whenever I respond directly to someone on this thread, they do not respond, but another name responds on their behalf finishing the argument;

2-the transfer from discussing alleged racism in Israel to Jew baiting took place in one response;

3-the actual link to smeering all Israelis took place in the title and very first response.

The parsing of quotes, the unreferenced quotes, they speak loudly.

When a participant on this forum is afraid to referenced a quote why be surprised. When they do its then possible to show how the quote was changed, fabricated, or removed out of its full context to create a new meaning and those techniques the trolls don't want exposed.

I ain't done Marcus et al. Bring it.

GostHacked · August 17, 2017

So I see where Rue states that Palestinians and Jews are semites.. So I guess I hate both groups.

There, get your outrage.

Altai · August 17, 2017

2 hours ago, Rue said:

You are a child engaged in baiting. When you can reference one alleged quote you fabricate, get back to me. Also Altai the fact you even need to reply to me should tell you something.

Whatever acknowledgment or recognition you want from me can't come from you blurting out such stupidity. Stop following others and just once stand and think for yourself.

Even if what you said is true. even if there are Jews, Israelis that are racist, it doesn't mean the entire country is or its entire people are any more than it makes all Muslims terrorists because there are Muslim terrorists.

All you do is lower yourself to being manipulated to spread hate messages. Using the female gender as a pretext to do that is cowardly.

You get back to me when you want to discuss something other than Jews are poo poo tee hee.

I gave you the verse numbers. Do you ever read Torah in your life ? You continuosly insulting me because you cant give me logical answers and this makes you mad. LoL I see you suddenly become a "savvy" and "tolerant" person when it comes to your illegal state and your people :lol: are you really such savvy and tolerant against other people on the Earth too ? When I look at your posts, no you are not. You are just trying to justify your criminal life style. The region called Israel is an illegal area and anyone who supports its terorist policies are the part of its crimes. Did you think the same when you bombed Palestine for days and murdered many civilians ? Did you think that "there may be some bad palestinians but this does not mean all palestinians are bad people" ? No you just bombed them and you said that we are bombing civilian areas because we are attacked from civilian areas you Einstein. If you are not supporting crimes of your illegal so-called state, then stop them. This is what you say to Muslims when ISIS commits crimes :lol: You dont stop them because you are supporting them :rolleyes:

DogOnPorch · August 17, 2017

4 minutes ago, Altai said:

I gave you the verse numbers. Do you ever read Torah in your life ? You continuosly insulting me because you cant give me logical answers and this makes you mad. LoL I see you suddenly become a "savvy" and "tolerant" person when it comes to your illegal state and your people are you really such savvy and tolerant against other people on the Earth too ? When I look at your posts, no you are not. You are just trying to justify your criminal life style. The region called Israel is an illegal area and anyone who supports its terorist policies are the part of its crimes. Did you think the same when you bombed Palestine for days and murdered many civilians ? Did you think that "there may be some bad palestinians but this does not mean all palestinians are bad people" ? No you just bombed them and you said that we are bombing civilian areas because we are attacked from civilian areas you Einstein. If you are not supporting crimes of your illegal so-called state, then stop them. This is what you say to Muslims when ISIS commits crimes You dont stop them because you are supporting them

The Palestinian Cause was started by a Nazi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

Altai · August 17, 2017

2 hours ago, Rue said:

I stated you are quoting false Talmud quotes from a neo Nazi web site and are too stupid to understand they are not from the Torah. I also discussed that there are Torah passages about war. At no time did I say your quotes were from the Torah. You don't read. Then you come on the board exhibiting you didn't understand what I said. because you are either stupid, don't read English very well, or are both. Either way adding to that demonstration of ignorance the faces and giggling lowers you to a salivating puppy. Grow up. Show some dignity or does your posing as a Turkish woman include this idiot behaviour in the script you were given for this forum?

Respect comes from demonstrating it. Lowering yourself as you have is pathetic.

LoL again insults. I gave you the verse numbers, why do you not quote them from your own sources ? So show me which part I wrote was wrong ? :rolleyes:

Rue · August 17, 2017

1 hour ago, Altai said:

I gave you the verse numbers. Do you ever read Torah in your life ? You continuosly insulting me because you cant give me logical answers and this makes you mad. LoL I see you suddenly become a "savvy" and "tolerant" person when it comes to your illegal state and your people are you really such savvy and tolerant against other people on the Earth too ? When I look at your posts, no you are not. You are just trying to justify your criminal life style. The region called Israel is an illegal area and anyone who supports its terorist policies are the part of its crimes. Did you think the same when you bombed Palestine for days and murdered many civilians ? Did you think that "there may be some bad palestinians but this does not mean all palestinians are bad people" ? No you just bombed them and you said that we are bombing civilian areas because we are attacked from civilian areas you Einstein. If you are not supporting crimes of your illegal so-called state, then stop them. This is what you say to Muslims when ISIS commits crimes You dont stop them because you are supporting Here's a story about racism that was published three days ago, but that was ignored in the major leftist websites. Wonder why

No, no and them

You didn' t provide any Torah verses. Provide them. My state is Canada its not illegal. You being an anti semite don't differentiate between Israelis and Jews so call me Israeli. Next Israel is not an illegal state. I do not live a criminal lifestyle. Israel is not an illegal area that is your subjective opinion taught to you by Muslim extremists. I don't support terrorism by anyone for any reason. You accuse me of having bombed Palestine. I have never bombed Palestine. In fact the IDF has engaged in aerial bombardment of targets in Gaza during wars initiated by Hamas against Israel. Yes it has. I have stated many times in my responses there are good and bad people of all faiths, creeds, colours, genders. My name is not Einstein. The fact Einstein was Jewish and I am Jewish again causes you to make immature slurs because we are both Jewish. Actually I do share Einstein's theory on energy. I also think his equations proved in one sense the theory of infinity or what some call the God particle and shows cosmology, physics and religion may not be as far apart as some think they are.

There is discriminatory behaviour by Israelis who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Druze, atheists, communists, etc., towards one another, African migrants who are and are not Jewish, and against Palestinians. In fact Arab Jews are more likely to discriminate against Palestinians than Jewish Israelis and you would know that if you lived there.

I have never denied Israel has many social issues. In fact if the Arab world was not so dead on wiping it out who knows it may have disintegrated. Ironically your hatred and the hatred of Muslims world wide keeps Israel strong.

Now what I have challenged on this thread is the use of racism and an unfortunate incident in Charlotte, which all Jews have to speak out about since it was fueled by neo Nazism, being used by people like you to piss on Jews for having a nation. You haven't discussed the issue in fact you came on the thread to Jew bait and misquote the Torah.

Not one word you quoted is in the Torah and its time you grow up.

Now you want to discuss racism as if it only happens in Israel as a platform to call all Israelis racists because they and Jews like me believe we have a right to a state no diferent than you, then grow up. Your hatred won't make us go away or the racism intrinsic in the Muslim world you won't discuss, i.e.,

source:http://elderofziyonblogspot.com/2021/05/arab-racism-story-left-ignores.html

"Here's a story about racism that was published three days ago, but that was ignored in the major leftist websites. Wonder why?

From The Economist:

THE multilingual, fashion-conscious residents of Beirut, Lebanon’s capital, fancy their city to be cosmopolitan. But not everyone is welcome. Black people and foreigners from Asia and elsewhere in the third world who make up the bulk of migrant workers are often turned away from the city’s smarter venues. Conscious of the bad blood this can cause, Lebanon’s government has warned beach clubs against barring entry on the basis of race, nationality or disability.

But racism is unlikely to be erased overnight, either in Lebanon or in many other Middle Eastern countries where blacks are routinely looked down on. Racist taunts are often heard on Egypt’s streets, and in Yemen, darker-skinned people, known as al-akhdam (“the servants”), who make up perhaps 5% of the population, are confined to menial jobs and tend to dwell in slums. In Libya rebel militias often targeted darker-skinned people from nearby countries such as Chad and Mali and from countries further south, accusing them of being mercenaries of Muammar Qaddafi.

Filipinos, Sri Lankans and Chinese-Americans, among others, whisper of racist slurs both at work and on Lebanon’s streets. “When black or Asian friends visit,” says a young Lebanese professional, “I’m at the airport the moment they land to make sure immigration officers don’t ask inappropriate questions. It’s a disgrace.”

Some people blame the legacy of the slave trade, which brought sub-Saharan Africans, as well as others, to the region from the 7th century onwards. But Nadim Houry of Human Rights Watch, a New York-based lobby group says that racism persists in the region because governments have been lax about tackling it. “There are racists everywhere in the world, but in many countries it is now taboo to make comments, partly because there are laws against it,” he says. “Here, even when there is legislation, it is never applied.”

Snobbery makes things worse. Millions of foreigners in the Middle East do cleaning and building jobs which locals consider beneath them. Sponsorship schemes often deny such workers basic rights. “People just see us as cheap labour,” says a Filipino university graduate who makes $200 a month in a Beirut beauty parlour. Some beach clubs have already said they will ignore the new regulation. Their customers, they say, would not tolerate having to rub shoulders with the dark-skinned servant class.

Will there be any soul-searching in the Arab world about this explicit racism? Will the "pro-Palestinian" crowd notice that Arab racism makes the bigotry of some Israelis pale by comparison? Will there be follow-up stories in the media about this, which might shame some Arabs?

No, no and no. "

Next for someone who poses as a Turk posing a moral finger at Israel and Netanyahu for being racist when you claim you come on this board to support Erdogan and are against democracy what does that mean? You support a regime engaged right now in a war of genocide against Kurds and supports Al Quaeda. You support a man who dismissed the Armenian massacre by the Turks in WW1 as never happening and who questioned the existence of the holocaust.

You think you are in the position to point at anyone else?....look in the mirror.

Instead of exploiting what happened in Charlotte and Palestinians to prop your need to piss on Jews, grow up just once.

You actually want to start an intelligent thread discussing how the Torah is actually interpreted and what it means, you could have done so in the religion thread. You only brought it up to Jew bait and its clear from your childish comments that is what you did.

The difference between us is when people took Koran quotes out of their context in other threads I explained why they were taken out of context. That is the difference between us.

I don't misquote the Koran to back a hatred for Muslim people as you do the Torah and Jews. Show one word from me where I claimed as you do with Jews all Muslims are terrorist, etc.

You never have been to the West Bank or Gaza. You never met a Palestinian or an Israeli and yet you pose as an expert on both.

This is why I respond to your childish comments sometimes with contempt. You don't give a damn about Palestinians. They are just a prop that enables you to piss on Jews. You have no clue what Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah Hawks, Al Quassam, PFLP, etc., are and how they operate.

On this thread I do what I do when I see hatred against Jews, I try turn it back in the face of its haters and defuse it because I am an example of a Zionist and you need to hear it-we are not anti Muslim we are not anti Palestinian, we do not believe we are better than anyone, we started a Jewish collective national state to protect us from anti semitic hatred and genocide by both the Europeans and Arab nations.

Your version of Islam depicts Jews is as hateful and bigoted as it gets. Don't point your foinger at me when you follow religious beliefs that refer to me as a monkey, a dhimmi, a kkahir, an inferior, an infidel who needs to be wiped out. Look in the mirror and see your own hatred before you accuse me of being hateful. I do not use my religion to hate Muslims. You assume because you use Islam to hate Jews I do the same in reverse. I do not. I reject fundamentalism. I don' read the Bible as you do the Koran with only a literal meaning. In fact no Jew does. You can't grasp that. You read things literally and assume others do because you do.

I follow no word stated in the name of God that preaches hatred of others. You asked I answered. No my religion does not condone hatred. The fact the Torah has violent passages an depictions of an angry God does not mean its used by Jews or me to be violent or angry. There are in my people, extremists who quote the Torah as Muslims do the Koran and Christians to the New Testament to justify hatred. It does not mean this is the only way the religions can be used.

You don't know my life or what I did on the West Bank. You don't know what I saw, what I witnessed, who I worked with. You assume because I am a Jew I am a demon because I think I have the same rights as a Muslims. Dhimmitude will never happen again with Israelis. You are not going back to the good old days when you could keep Jews in segregation and inferior second class khafir. Get over it.

Get it clear as well. I am a Canadian and always have been. Canada has always been my nation that I am loyal to. The moment it is not no.1 for me, unlike some in my country, I will not stay and suck up its benefits while pissing on it. Got that? I don't use my country as a convenience from which to preach hatred and support terrorism hiding it under the guise of multi-culturalism. Clear? Don't mix me up with the crap you think you are part of.

Next, my religion is something far too abstract for you to fathom. My Jewish identity is not based on your idiotic fabrications. It's a mix of religious concepts, ethnic, cultural, moral, meta-physical, political values, and you have no clue what they are so don't presume you know.

Your neo Nazi web-sites can't grasp my language but this I can tell you-in your world I am not something you can kill or piss at. Try figure out what that means and why I can't be killed or pissed at. Find out what the phack a spirit is because your presumption I am something you can grasp is a joke.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Rue

Rue · August 17, 2017

You boys done fishing or you want more? You want to fish, don't use hatred of Jews to do it. You know where to find me.

GostHacked · August 17, 2017

30 minutes ago, Rue said:

You boys done fishing or you want more? You want to fish, don't use hatred of Jews to do it. You know where to find me.

I don't hate all Jews, but there is this one that posts on this forum that I don't really care for.

Altai · August 17, 2017

@Rue I wont read that post, you should make a summary of it if you want me to read

Rue · August 17, 2017

6 hours ago, GostHacked said:

So I see where Rue states that Palestinians and Jews are semites.. So I guess I hate both groups.

There, get your outrage.

I wouldn't know. Its quite possible you hate Palestinians as much as you do Jews.

You salivate on cue. Didn't take long did it. Now that we have you out in the open, lol, you have any other crap you want to throw out?

Lol. Oops his hood fell off. I love it. Wigs, burqas, hoods, brown shirts, what next spandex?

Edited August 17, 2017 by Rue

Rue · August 17, 2017

2 hours ago, Altai said:

@Rue I wont read that post, you should make a summary of it if you want me to read

You did otherwise you would not have responded. You demonstrate once again you have no idea how to finish what you started.

You don't need a summary-you can't produce any Torah verses when they don't exist. Lol. Pathetic.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Rue

Rue · August 17, 2017

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

I don't hate all Jews, but there is this one that posts on this forum that I don't really care for.

Coming on this anti semitic thread to engage in a passive aggressive Jewish comment that engages me as a Jew speaks loudly.

You are so God damn hateful you couldn't resist throwing the Jew reference in.

Like I said you all know where to find me. Does it look like this Jew baiting does a damn thing? Lol.

Get the Jew! I love being Frankenstein as the idiots come running with their torches. Get the Jew burn him! Lol. You might run faster if you take off those robes.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Rue

Argus · August 17, 2017

13 hours ago, marcus said:

Here is the chief IDF (Israel Defense Force) Chief Rabbi, Eyal Karim:

The rabbi gave a more shocking answer on the same site when asked if soldiers were permitted to rape women during war. Karim replied that, as part of maintaining fitness for the army and the soldiers' morale during fighting, it is permitted to "breach" the walls of modesty and "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will, out of consideration for the difficulties faced by the soldiers and for overall success."

According to the IDF's chief rabbi, (Gentile) women should be raped by soldiers to increase fitness and raise morale.

In 2003, before Karim was serving in the IDF, he was asked on the national- religious news site and forum Kipa, in the context of an “Ask the Rabbi” column, how the Torah could condone the rape of non-Jewish women by Jewish soldiers during a time of war. He explained the Torah’s rationale, but did not explicitly state that it is forbidden in modern times.

This answer was seized upon by a blogger in 2012 and created a media stir at the time, with claims that Karim had given IDF soldiers sanction to rape women.

Karim then issued a clarification on Kipa stating explicitly that: “Obviously, the Torah never permitted the rape of women,” and saying that the Biblical verse in Deuteronomy about female captives was meant to prevent rape during war time.

““It is clear that in our times in which the world has progressed to an ethical state in which one does not marry female captives, it is certain that this law cannot be utilized and, further, that it totally contradicts the values and regulations of the [Israeli] army,” Karim wrote.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Storm-erupts-over-past-comments-of-incoming-IDF-Chief-Rabbi-460174

Argus · August 17, 2017

7 hours ago, GostHacked said:

So I see where Rue states that Palestinians and Jews are semites.. So I guess I hate both groups.

There, get your outrage.

Without regard to whether you personally hate Jews or not I note that most Arabs seem to. It is not a racial thing with the Arabs and, I think, not really for most of those who hate Jews. It is a lack of sophistication and knowledge and poor judgement often combined with a low IQ that has them falling prey to lunatic conspiracy theories.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Argus

Argus · August 17, 2017

14 hours ago, marcus said:

Bibi, the prime minister of Israel says he is outraged by racism, while in Israel:

The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) published reports documenting racism in Israel, and the 2007 report suggested that anti-Arab racism in the country was increasing.

Israelis don't like Arabs? What a shocker. What's not to like? And did you look up the reverse? Of course not. Even though you're just being fair and pointing out the supporting reasons for why you hate ~~Jews~~ Zionists, because it's not like you have anything against Jews yourself. Not you, oh no. Perish the thought! You just love human rights! You're only posting this because of how you disapprove of bigotry. Uh huh.

The study revealed endemic anti-Jewish sentiment in the Muslim world.

Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews (not Israelis, JEWS):
Jordan - 100 percent
Lebanon - 99 percent
Egypt - 98 percent
Morocco - 88 percent
Indonesia - 76 percent
Pakistan - 74 percent
Turkey - 60 percent

https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-views-of-jews-2076073

Hudson Jones · August 18, 2017

On 8/16/2017 at 5:12 PM, Rue said:

I guess you are either a pathological idiot or a dishonest troll which one is it? Nothing in the article draws a comparsion between the Nazi rallies in the US and what is happening In Israel. Not a damn word. In fact all the Israeli politicians have commented the same thing that they find Trump not coming out and condemning the neo Nazis at the rally clearly was problematic.

The attempt to suggest Israel is any way involved with these neo Nazis and supports them and engages in their activities against fellow Jews or Palestinians is the anti semitic device of calling Jews Nazis. Its called holocaust inversion. Its far from original. The attempt to suggest Jews are no different than Nazis is there for all to see albeit in a most clumsy and idiotic attempt to completely lie about what Israeli politicians actually said.

The fact that this thread was even launched to use what happened in Charlotte to try piss on Israel speaks loudly.

The posing with the names, the false torah quotes the tag team shtick it all speaks for itself.

I never 'suggested' that Israel is any way involved with these neo Nazis.

When you are angry and fuming and go into Zionist Defense Force mode, you are unable to read properly to understand what people are typing.

I am comparing the racism and racist gatherings. Just like Barak did.

Israel is a far more racist country than the U.S. Being racist in Israel is normal.

Hudson Jones · August 18, 2017

On 8/16/2017 at 5:07 PM, Rue said:

Well clearly you you coming on cue posing and acting outraged.

You think this tag team crap makes you look multiple in dimension? Lol. Whatever.

You are angry, incoherent and extremely paranoid. Me and my other characters must have A LOT of time to pull this off.

Hudson Jones · August 18, 2017

On 8/16/2017 at 6:01 PM, Rue said:

The above individual you quote is a neo Nazi. You are so pathetic you quote his Jew baiting as if its relevant to the smeer you make.

No shit sherlock.

You're so angry that you're not comprehending anything.

This guy is showing the hypocrisy of Zionists. He is saying that he is a racist just like Zionists are.

The difference is that he admits to it and is more honest about it.

Zionists, on the other hand, say they are outraged at racism... even though they are some of the most racist people in the world.

marcus · August 18, 2017

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Israelis don't like Arabs? What a shocker. What's not to like? And did you look up the reverse? Of course not. Even though you're just being fair and pointing out the supporting reasons for why you hate ~~Jews~~ Zionists, because it's not like you have anything against Jews yourself. Not you, oh no. Perish the thought! You just love human rights! You're only posting this because of how you disapprove of bigotry. Uh huh.

The study revealed endemic anti-Jewish sentiment in the Muslim world.

Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews (not Israelis, JEWS):
Jordan - 100 percent
Lebanon - 99 percent
Egypt - 98 percent
Morocco - 88 percent
Indonesia - 76 percent
Pakistan - 74 percent
Turkey - 60 percent

https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-views-of-jews-2076073

I dislike Zionism for the same reasons I dislike Wahabism or any other extreme ideology where it's okay to reach its goals by treating others unjustly and violating their rights.

You can try all you want to say my comments are about Judaism, but it's simply not true. Zionists can be Jewish, Christian or even atheist. Those who are against Zionism can also be Jewish, Christian and atheist.

By the way, I never said Jordanians don't like Jews. My argument was Bibi's outrage over racism, when his own country's policies and in turn, many of its people are racist people, is just plain stupid.

Edited August 18, 2017 by marcus

marcus · August 18, 2017

8 hours ago, Argus said:

In 2003, before Karim was serving in the IDF, he was asked on the national- religious news site and forum Kipa, in the context of an “Ask the Rabbi” column, how the Torah could condone the rape of non-Jewish women by Jewish soldiers during a time of war. He explained the Torah’s rationale, but did not explicitly state that it is forbidden in modern times.

This answer was seized upon by a blogger in 2012 and created a media stir at the time, with claims that Karim had given IDF soldiers sanction to rape women.

Karim then issued a clarification on Kipa stating explicitly that: “Obviously, the Torah never permitted the rape of women,” and saying that the Biblical verse in Deuteronomy about female captives was meant to prevent rape during war time.

““It is clear that in our times in which the world has progressed to an ethical state in which one does not marry female captives, it is certain that this law cannot be utilized and, further, that it totally contradicts the values and regulations of the [Israeli] army,” Karim wrote.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Storm-erupts-over-past-comments-of-incoming-IDF-Chief-Rabbi-460174

There is no explaining yourself out of this one, Karim.

"Issued a clarification." Yeah. Okay.

Karim specifically said that it's okay to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will" after someone asked him what he thought about the IDF. No one asked him what he thought about soldiers in the past.

He has also said that the military is no place for women.

Here is his position about gentiles and the Torah - Maybe he can issue a clarification on his position:

Karim oversaw the 2013 publication of an IDF booklet — later repudiated by the army — which stated that “the concept that non-Jews have equal rights with Jews in Israel goes against the opinion of the Torah, and the state’s representatives have no authority to act against the Torah’s will."

Source

This is the chief rabbi for the most moral army in the world.

Edited August 18, 2017 by marcus

Altai · August 18, 2017

12 hours ago, Rue said:

You did otherwise you would not have responded. You demonstrate once again you have no idea how to finish what you started.

You don't need a summary-you can't produce any Torah verses when they don't exist. Lol. Pathetic.

LoL I gave you the verse numbers. Can you please quote from YOUR OWN SOURCES the verse Deuteronomy 25:11-12, Deuteronomy 32:from 39 to 43, Deuteronomy 20: from 10 to 16.

Argus · August 18, 2017

9 hours ago, marcus said:

There is no explaining yourself out of this one, Karim.

"Issued a clarification." Yeah. Okay.

Karim specifically said that it's okay to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will" after someone asked him what he thought about the IDF. No one asked him what he thought about soldiers in the past.

He was answering a question on blibical, not modern times and his clarification is, well, pretty clear on that.

9 hours ago, marcus said:

He has also said that the military is no place for women.

LOTS of people have said the same. Of all religions.

9 hours ago, marcus said:

Karim oversaw the 2013 publication of an IDF booklet — later repudiated by the army — which stated that “the concept that non-Jews have equal rights with Jews in Israel goes against the opinion of the Torah, and the state’s representatives have no authority to act against the Torah’s will."

The actual question you should ask is... well does it? Does it go against the opinion of the Torah? I wouldn't doubt it would. In practical matters, you could as easily quote the presidents of all 57 member states of the organization for Islamic Cooperation. They would all tell you that the concept of non-Muslims having equal rights to Muslims in their countries goes against the Koran.

I await your stern new topic header complaining about Muslim bigotry and prejudice against non-Muslims with anticipation.

Argus · August 18, 2017

12 hours ago, marcus said:

I dislike Zionism for the same reasons I dislike Wahabism or any other extreme ideology where it's okay to reach its goals by treating others unjustly and violating their rights.

Why just Whabism? Why not Islam itself. There are numerous passages in the koran and hadiths which demand non-Muslims be treated unjustly, and no Muslim country treats non-Muslims the same as it does Muslims. Where is your outrage there?

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By the way, I never said Jordanians don't like Jews. My argument was Bibi's outrage over racism, when his own country's policies and in turn, many of its people are racist people, is just plain stupid.

There is racism in all countries. Do you see Muslim leaders decrying racism? Nope. Why wouldn't Israelis hate Arabs anyway? They've been a small embattled country surrounded by Arabs who hate them and want to kill them (and have often tried to do so) for the entire lifespans of everyone there.

Still, you don't see mosques being burned by raging mobs of Jews in Israel, the way churches are burned by mobs of Muslims in Egypt or Indonesia, now do you?

Edited August 18, 2017 by Argus

marcus · August 18, 2017

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Why just Whabism? Why not Islam itself. There are numerous passages in the koran and hadiths which demand non-Muslims be treated unjustly, and no Muslim country treats non-Muslims the same as it does Muslims. Where is your outrage there?

I don't dislike Judaism, Islam and Christianity because I recognize the range and the variety that they come in. Anyone who tries to put Christianity, Islam or Judaism into one category, has very little knowledge of these religions, the people and the cultures. There are sects, groups, sub-categories, whatever you want to call them who have adopted their own interpretation and way of doing things which can be easier to distinguish. Wahabism is one of those. A Wahabist Muslim, who is a Sunni, when you look at the thoughts, beliefs and ideology and what they may deem 'acceptable' is on a different level than, let's say, a Muslim in Syria. Syrian Muslims have different groups and subgroups. Majority are Sunnis. But a Sunni in Syria has a lot more in common with a Shia in Syria, than they would with a Wahabist in Saudi. The point here is that you can't paint a picture with one stroke. It's a shallow and uneducated way of thinking.

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There is racism in all countries. Do you see Muslim leaders decrying racism? Nope.

You're obviously not looking for that answer, because if you did, you'd understand how wrong you are.

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Why wouldn't Israelis hate Arabs anyway? They've been a small embattled country surrounded by Arabs who hate them and want to kill them (and have often tried to do so) for the entire lifespans of everyone there.

It's like asking why it's not okay for the white apartheid South Africans to hate the blacks, since the blacks are resisting them. If you want to play the tired old victim card, like the settlers and occupiers are the victims, then you have your b.s. argument.

You've been duped and you have accepted the b.s. narrative that the occupiers and aggressors are the victims.

It's a very simple formula; You go into a place, take over another people's land, humiliate them, treat them like shit, kill their people and deny them justice and you will see resistance. The resistance can come in all forms. Some types of responses are not okay, but at the end of it all, it's a reaction to something that the occupier is doing. If there was no occupation, land theft and deny of justice, there would be very little chance there would be ugly reactions.

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Still, you don't see mosques being burned by raging mobs of Jews in Israel, the way churches are burned by mobs of Muslims in Egypt or Indonesia, now do you?

First of all, you need to be able to separate different areas from each other. Palestinians are not Egyptians and Egyptians are not Iranians and Iranians are not Saudis and Saudis are not Jordanians. You need to go beyond this superficial and uneducated way of looking at people.

Also, not sure where you have been, but mosques and houses are being burnt and vandalized daily in Israel and the Occupied Territories all the time, by Zionist extremists. Not only that, but did you miss the whole carpet bombing in Gaza, times three?

marcus · August 18, 2017

2 hours ago, Argus said:

He was answering a question on blibical, not modern times and his clarification is, well, pretty clear on that.

LOTS of people have said the same. Of all religions.

I'm glad you're able to step up to bat for the chief rabbi for the IDF and try to cover what he has clearly stated towards a clear question about the IDF today.

Yes. All religions say some really stupid things. In fact, many of these things are shared by the 3 top religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. But when you elect a person, who is part of the government, who says some really backwards things, then you have to call them on it.

I mean, are you seriously going to try to cover and justify that the IDF booklet stated: “the concept that non-Jews have equal rights with Jews in Israel goes against the opinion of the Torah, and the state’s representatives have no authority to act against the Torah’s will."

Seriously? How low can you go?

Just like we call on Iranian clerics and Saudi clerics who are part of the governing and policies of the country. We don't see Canada or Canadians making excuses for them. Why should we make excuses for Israel? Because they have gay pride parades in Tel Aviv? That washes their hands for the increasing fanaticism and zealotry? The occupation? The murdering and maiming of civilians? The racism and human rights violations both in Israel and in the Occupied Territories?

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I await your stern new topic header complaining about Muslim bigotry and prejudice against non-Muslims with anticipation.

Look Argus; If our country and other western countries supported any bigoted country both politically and economically, then you will hear it from me. If we had people on this forum, coming in trying to excuse blatant racism, violence and human rights violations against other people, you would hear it from me. Why do I need to debate something, when there is no one to debate the topic with?

To some point, I do voice my opinion about Canada and West's increasing support for Saudi Arabia. Where majority of the 9/11 hijackers came from. Where most of the money and support for ISIS comes from. Where they have some of the most outrageous policies inside the country. Where they are attacking and killing innocent people in Yemen. Speaking out against our government's silence against them, because they want to score a few contracts happens. Fortunately, there are very few people who try to excuse Saudi's actions. So there is no one to debate. Same thing goes for Iran and its policies inside Iran towards Bahai's and their policies towards freedom of speech and expression. You let me know if you find someone on here who tries to excuse their actions and I will be more than happy to have a debate with them.