CETA dead??

[Argus]

16 hours ago, dre said:

Hahahahaha.... Hilarious. A declaration that trade deals are too complicated for "amateurs" to judge.... followed immediately by an amateur judgement.

I can't help notice your contribution of anything intelligent was sadly lacking in that post. Would you like to try again? Perhaps you would like to offer up your own opinion as to why the government would sign a trade deal.

[PIK]

Did they throw our farmers under the bus to get this done? I said many months ago she will be a major embarrassment, right up there with Dion.

[dre]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

I can't help notice your contribution of anything intelligent was sadly lacking in that post. Would you like to try again? Perhaps you would like to offer up your own opinion as to why the government would sign a trade deal.

They do it mostly for their rich buddies and corporate sponsors, and because voters are dumb enough believe that we can go on forever with an unproductive economy almost completely based on a bloated services sector.

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, dre said:

They do it mostly for their rich buddies and corporate sponsors, and because voters are dumb enough believe that we can go on forever with an unproductive economy almost completely based on a bloated services sector.

Oh, okay, another conspiracy theorist.  Is it the Jews again?

[dre]

Its not conspiracy theory at all. Follow the money and tell me who benefits the most... Multi-national corporations. Why do you think that wealth concentration has happened alongside economic globalism?

Who do you think sat on all of the committees that came up with the TPP? Almost all representitives of mult-national corporations. And whats in it? An increase in prescription drug protection from generics to as long as ten years which will cost consumers untold millions... for the benefit of big pharmaceutical companies that worked on the deal. The right of governments to restrict tobacco sales  has been removed (it has to be arbitrated in special TPP courts now). Nice little perk for Tobacco companies.

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The TPP gives corporations in general even more rights. Under the TPP, they can sue governments to prevent legislation or regulations that contradict the TPP treaty. Want to do something about big Pharma “price gouging,” as in the U.S.? Forget it. Legislation addressing price gouging contradicts the treaty. Want to regulate? Forget it, see you in TPP court.

What the ban on any legislation and regulation contrary to the TPP means is that democracy and national sovereignty does not exist if it does not conform to free trade deals negotiated by the corporations themselves. 

 

These deals are not only made FOR these big corporations, but they are actually NEGOTIATED and written by the big corporations.

28 different commitees worked on writing the TPP. There are 566 members on those committees. 480 of them are senior corporate executives, or representatives of corporate lobbying groups.

 

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But who is writing the TPP? The text has been classified and the public isn’t permitted to see it, but 28 trade advisory committees have been intimately involved in the negotiations. Of the 566 committee members, 480, or 85 percent, are senior corporate executives or representatives from industry lobbying groups. Many of the advisory committees are made up entirely of industry representatives.

A rigged process leads to a rigged outcome. For evidence of that tilt, look at a key TPP provision: Investor-State Dispute Settlement where big companies get the right to challenge laws they don’t like in front of industry-friendly arbitration panels that sit outside of any court system. Those panels can force taxpayers to write huge checks to big corporations — with no appeals.

 

 

That's the problem with these trade deals... if it was just a matter of agreeing to drop some tarrifs they might not be so bad, but they are huge omnibus collections of laws which supersede the laws made by any signatory. They are stripping voters of much of their rights and power over their own government.

Most of the people that support them, cant have possibly ever read one.

Edited October 28, 2016 by dre

[The_Squid]

The Walloons are back on-side...   http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-eu-trade-friday-votes-1.3825583

 

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Belgium's Walloons have reversed their earlier decision to block the Canada-EU free trade agreement.

All the Belgian legislatures previously opposed to signing the Canada-Europe trade deal voted to approve signing the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) Friday.

A signing ceremony is now expected with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Brussels, perhaps as early as this weekend.

 

 

[WestCoastRunner]

Now that it looks like CETA is going ahead here is what CETA means for Canada:

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• Would open markets between 500 million EU citizens and more than 35 million Canadians
• Eliminate 98 per cent of all tariffs on goods,
• Lower prices on imports from Europe, everything from maple syrup to textiles to more expensive items like cars
• Eight per cent tariff on Canadian maple syrup would be eliminated when exported to counties in the EU making it “more competitive in the eyes of the buyers in the EU
• Could increase bilateral trade by 20 per cent annually and boost Canada’s income by $12 billion annually
• Canadian beef and pork producers will see greater duty-free access to the EU market, with the potential increase in yearly sales estimated at $1 billion 
• The economic benefit of the agreement would be equivalent to creating almost 80,000 new jobs or increasing the average Canadian household’s annual income by $1,000
• Canada’s dairy industry is currently in talks with the federal government about a compensation deal.
• Opportunities for Canadian companies to bid on European projects via the EU government procurement market

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Ian Lee, an associate professor at Carleton University’s Sprott School of Business, said CETA is “very significant” because Canada needs to diversify its trading relationships and should not always rely on its biggest trading partner, the United States.

 

[The_Squid]

I hope it means more European hot hatches...   maybe I can buy a Seat, Peugeot or Renault soon...

 

[The_Squid]

On 10/21/2016 at 1:37 PM, PIK said:

https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/10/21/eu-pushes-resistant-wallonia-as-trade-deal-with-canada-hangs-in-balance.html

It seems freeland cant handle the pressure and is taking her ball and coming home.

 

3 hours ago, PIK said:

Did they throw our farmers under the bus to get this done? I said many months ago she will be a major embarrassment, right up there with Dion.

So you bitch when it doesn't get done...  and then you bitch when it does get done....  

[dre]

9 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Now that it looks like CETA is going ahead here is what CETA means for Canada:

 

They forgot to mention a couple of things...

1. CETA will ban government at all levels from “buy local” policies. Your government or municipality wont even be able to source products and services from your own city or province. The government will not be allowed to decide that a piece of military hardware should be built in Canada, etc etc. Even when something is completed funded by Canadian taxpayers governments will not be allowed to have a policy to award contracts to the Canadian companies that paid much of those taxes.

2. Investor Rights - This term refers to giving foreign corporations based in Canada the right to sue our government for public policies that affect the maximization of their profits. Already Canada is facing nearly $2.5 billion worth of corporate lawsuits under NAFTA’s investment protection chapter, including one from an oil and gas company against Quebec’s moratorium on fracking and another against Canada by the pharmaceutical company, Eli Lilly, demanding a $100 million for “expropriation” because the courts refused to grant a drug patent on the grounds it did not satisfy conditions set down by Canadian law.

 

[The_Squid]

6 hours ago, dre said:

1. CETA will ban government at all levels from “buy local” policies. Your government or municipality wont even be able to source products and services from your own city or province.

Cite?

[Michael Hardner]

19 hours ago, PIK said:

Did they throw our farmers under the bus to get this done? I said many months ago she will be a major embarrassment, right up there with Dion.

Just posting to point out that the point of trade deals is that there are winners and losers on both sides, but as Argus points out the deals are approved because of an overall benefit to the economy. Refer to WCR's post for some agriculture groups that benefit.

 

[Argus]

19 hours ago, dre said:

Its not conspiracy theory at all. Follow the money and tell me who benefits the most...

And how do politicians benefit given they can no longer accept donations or favors from corporations? How is Trudeau and his cabinet getting paid for supporting free trade with Europe?

[herples]

*delete*

Edited October 29, 2016 by herples

[dre]

15 hours ago, The_Squid said:

Cite?

Sure... Here's a few.

Leaked CETA Treaty: Major Blow to Buy Local

Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA)

Buy Local. Build Local. Stop CETA.

TPP and CETA will not allow to buy local

Economic study supports 'buy local' as Harper tries to ban it in EU

This is exactly why they try to keep these deals secret until they are passed. They are written by corporate executives and lobbying groups, to benefit multi-national corporations. 

And the sad thing is that free trade religionists will support any deal labelled "free trade" without ever reading a single word of whats in it. But these agreements are full of hundreds of "laws" that supersede our own ability to make our own laws. Many of them eroding national sovereignty and democracy.

Lets have a "free trade" agreement with Europe! They drop their tarrifs we drop ours. Its a good idea. But they should not be cramming all kinds of other stuff in there that is contrary to the public interest. CETA and the TPP are deals that were written buy big corporations to maximize their profits, and because they don't like when elected national governments get in the way of them making money. The politicians in Ottawa and Washington that will pass them did not write them, and they haven't even read them. And neither have any of you, or anyone else that supports these deals.

 

 

[WestCoastRunner]

2 minutes ago, dre said:

Sure... Here's a few.

Leaked CETA Treaty: Major Blow to Buy Local

Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA)

Buy Local. Build Local. Stop CETA.

TPP and CETA will not allow to buy local

Economic study supports 'buy local' as Harper tries to ban it in EU

This is exactly why they try to keep these deals secret until they are passed. They are written by corporate executives and lobbying groups, to benefit multi-national corporations. 

And the sad thing is that free trade religionists will support any deal labelled "free trade" without ever reading a single word of whats in it. But these agreements are full of hundreds of "laws" that supersede our own ability to make our own laws. Many of them eroding national sovereignty and democracy.

Lets have a "free trade" agreement with Europe! They drop their tarrifs we drop ours. Its a good idea. But they should not be cramming all kinds of other stuff in there that is contrary to the public interest. CETA and the TPP are deals that were written buy big corporations to maximize their profits, and because they don't like when elected national governments get in the way of them making money. The politicians in Ottawa and Washington that will pass them did not write them, and they haven't even read them. And neither have any of you, or anyone else that supports these deals.

 

 

Do you not think these trade deals will support small business and young entrepreneurs?  

[WestCoastRunner]

6 minutes ago, dre said:

Sure... Here's a few.

Leaked CETA Treaty: Major Blow to Buy Local

Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA)

Buy Local. Build Local. Stop CETA.

TPP and CETA will not allow to buy local

Economic study supports 'buy local' as Harper tries to ban it in EU

This is exactly why they try to keep these deals secret until they are passed. They are written by corporate executives and lobbying groups, to benefit multi-national corporations. 

And the sad thing is that free trade religionists will support any deal labelled "free trade" without ever reading a single word of whats in it. But these agreements are full of hundreds of "laws" that supersede our own ability to make our own laws. Many of them eroding national sovereignty and democracy.

Lets have a "free trade" agreement with Europe! They drop their tarrifs we drop ours. Its a good idea. But they should not be cramming all kinds of other stuff in there that is contrary to the public interest. CETA and the TPP are deals that were written buy big corporations to maximize their profits, and because they don't like when elected national governments get in the way of them making money. The politicians in Ottawa and Washington that will pass them did not write them, and they haven't even read them. And neither have any of you, or anyone else that supports these deals.

 

 

If a community launches a 'buy local' campaign, will they be sued? 

[dre]

6 hours ago, Argus said:

And how do politicians benefit given they can no longer accept donations or favors from corporations? How is Trudeau and his cabinet getting paid for supporting free trade with Europe?

There's a ton of ways for this to happen. One is the revolving door lobby where politicians are promised high paying jobs after they leave office... Often as lobbyists.

After a career in politics you have a lot of connections and access. You can sell it to private corporations for a lot of money.

But the biggest factor is that government and big business just naturally gravitate to one another. The politicians are judged on the economy, but they are not economists... they know nothing about it. So they surround themselves with representatives from the industries that drive the economy and create jobs, and basically do what they are told. 

Direct campaign contributions are only one tiny factor in the massive influence businesses have over government.

Heres a list of politicians that are now lobbyists in the US.

• Abraham, Spencer (R)
• Allard, Wayne (R)
• Allen, George (R)
• Ashcroft, John (R)
• Bayh, Evan (D)
• Bennett, Robert F (R)
• Bond, Christopher Kit (R)
• Boschwitz, Rudy E (R)
• Breaux, John (D)
• Brown, Scott (R)
• Bryan, Richard H (D)
• Bumpers, Dale (D)
• Burns, Conrad (R)
• Burris, Roland (D)
• Campbell, Ben Nighthorse (R)
• Cleland, Max (D)
• Cohen, William S (R)
• Coleman, Norm (R)
• Conrad, Kent (D)
• Corzine, Jon S (D)
• Craig, Larry (R)
• D'Amato, Alfonse M (R)
• Daschle, Tom (D)
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• Durenberger, Dave (R)
• Faircloth, Lauch (R)
• Ford, Wendell H (D)
• Gorton, Slade (R)
• Gramm, Phil (R)
• Grams, Rod (R)
• Gregg, Judd (R)
• Hagel, Chuck (R)
• Hutchinson, Tim (R)
• Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R)
• Johnston, J Bennett (D)
• Kasten, Robert W Jr (R)
• Kaufman, Ted (D)
• Kempthorne, Dirk (R)
• Kerrey, Bob (D)
• Kirk, Paul (D)
• Kyl, Jon (R)
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• Wofford, Harris (D)

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[dre]

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

If a community launches a 'buy local' campaign, will they be sued? 

If the government is involved yes probably. And the crazy thing is it wont even be a case in Canadian courts! Authors of the TPP and Ceta are trying to set up special "arbitration panels" staffed with industry friendly "judges", to make decisions that cant be appealed.

 

[The_Squid]

Dre, all your links were opinions with no evidence that this is the case.   Weak sauce.

You seem to be one of those conspiracy theorists....  come up with some actual evidence!

Are you a "truther" too?

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by The_Squid

[TimG]

19 minutes ago, dre said:

Leaked CETA Treaty: Major Blow to Buy Local

Ask Canadian steel makers what they think of buy local policies.

We had an absurd situation where a ferry terminal to be built in northern BC had to be built with US steel because it was partially funded by the US government. The project was shelved because of the political optics.

An end to buy local policies is not an argument against a deal.

Edited October 29, 2016 by TimG

[dre]

24 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Dre, all your links were opinions with no evidence that this is the case.   Weak sauce.

You seem to be one of those conspiracy theorists....  come up with some actual evidence!

Are you a "truther" too?

 

Right the opinions of people that have read the deal. Unlike your faith based support without having read a single word of it just because its branded as "free trade". There could be a provision in there that allows someone to come to your house and take all your possessions, and you would STILL support it because you would never know it was in there. 

If you don't want to accept any of the links supporting my claim about "buy local" then do a bit research on your own for god sakes. This isnt some conspiracy theory that I dreamed up, its been a focal point of this deal.

[dre]

27 minutes ago, TimG said:

Ask Canadian steel makers what they think of buy local policies.

We had an absurd situation where a ferry terminal to be built in northern BC had to be built with US steel because it was partially funded by the US government. The project was shelved because of the political optics.

An end to buy local policies is not an argument against a deal.

You can say what you want about "buy local" policies, but they are popular and if people want their democratically elected governments to implement them, then that should be our right. And it has not been made clear to people how many laws (which supersede our own laws) are bundled up into these massive corporate welfare agreements.

[The_Squid]

7 minutes ago, dre said:

Right the opinions of people that have read the deal. Unlike your faith based support without having read a single word of it just because its branded as "free trade". There could be a provision in there that allows someone to come to your house and take all your possessions, and you would STILL support it because you would never know it was in there. 

If you don't want to accept any of the links supporting my claim about "buy local" then do a bit research on your own for god sakes. This isnt some conspiracy theory that I dreamed up, its been a focal point of this deal.

 

Where did I support the deal?  I base my opinion on evidence.  I will read about the deal and make a judgement.  You read some authors' opinions about what might be in the deal and came to a conclusion.

You didn't answer my question about being a "truther"....

Edited October 29, 2016 by The_Squid

[TimG]

15 minutes ago, dre said:

You can say what you want about "buy local" policies, but they are popular and if people want their democratically elected governments to implement them, then that should be our right. And it has not been made clear to people how many laws (which supersede our own laws) are bundled up into these massive corporate welfare agreements.

Often "buy local" policies have nothing to do with democratic will and everything to with local corporate cronies buying off politicians. In any case, there is really no point in signing a trade deal if governments can change their minds and simply outlaw the purchase of imports instead of taxing them.

Edited October 29, 2016 by TimG