Altai Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) President Erdogan said that "We should clean terror organizations to ensure the safety of energy sources in ME." So I read his words in reverse; "Energy sources should be on true hands to destroy terror organizations." Because these terror organizations are not real, they are created in laboratories to INVADE Middle East countries under the pretext of figthing terrorism and to steal its underground and aboveground resources. Edited October 10, 2016 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) So if the energy sources will be in our hands, no Western country can invade ME countries under the pretext of fighting terrorism because there will be no reason to do it. Firstly, we need to seize Mosul/Iraq. This area is quite rich as underground sources and it is not safe in Iraqi govt's hand, there is no even such a govt. The area is fully abandoned to use of Iran, US and Britain under the pretext of figthing terrorism in the region. We should kick them all out of the region and take the control. Edited October 11, 2016 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Altai said: The area is fully abandoned to use of Iran, US and Britain under the pretext of figthing terrorism in the region. We should kick them all out of the region and take the control. Really!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 40 minutes ago, kactus said: Really!? I can understand you. I know its a bit degrading while you think your countries as "World Powers" since last a few centuries and suddenly another country or countries takes to the stage and kick you out of the game. Probably we felt the same when Ottoman State was demolished due to wrong policies. Please leave ME or we will kick you out in a humiliating way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidarity Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Sadly for Neo-Ottoman dreams, Turkey is in no position to assume any kind of permanent control over these areas. Turkey would find opposition from both Western factions, whom have supported Kurdish interests, nor from the Shia-Russia alliance, which supports the Iraqis government claims over this area. Turkey is not a weak nation, but it simply is not powerful enough to move unilaterally against American/Russian interests in this way. Erdogan may be bold, but he is not this stupid either. Signs point towards a closening of turkish-russian relations, which will be good for Turkey in its conflict with Kurds. This also ensures Iraqi will retain its territorial integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) On 11/10/2016 at 1:37 PM, Altai said: I can understand you. I know its a bit degrading while you think your countries as "World Powers" since last a few centuries and suddenly another country or countries takes to the stage and kick you out of the game. Probably we felt the same when Ottoman State was demolished due to wrong policies. Please leave ME or we will kick you out in a humiliating way. I don't think you can... If Turkey was strong they would have been able to deal with their own issues post Ottoman empire (namely the kurds and armenian massacre post 1915! Reality is the turks really don't have any bargaining power unless they colaborate with other regional as well as world powers. But you know very well this is unlikely given their strive to compete against Iranians as a regional power...There is a fallacy in your argument asserting to kick the Iranians as well as the US and Brits out of the region. I think that's unlikely. Edited October 13, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) 51 minutes ago, kactus said: I don't think you can... If Turkey was strong they would have been able to deal with their own issues post Ottoman empire (namely the kurds and armenian massacre post 1915! Reality is the turks really don't have any bargaining power unless they colaborate with other regional as well as world powers. But you know very well this is unlikely given their strive to compete against Iranians as a regional power...There is a fallacy in your argument asserting to kick the Iranians as well as the US and Brits out of the region. I think that's unlikely. Ofcourse we can. This is a big mistake that you compare Muslim Turkiye with some other countries. We are much more capable about politics and wars than many other countries in the World, including US and Russia and we are quite old nation which always had voice in the World politics. I hope you wont make mistakes which will cause fatal results. Edited October 13, 2016 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 You express same nationalistic sentiments that many other nations have expressed and failed... You country cannot withstand any of the countries mentioned above without the help of Nato...Whilst president Erdogan can talk the talk he cannot do the walk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, kactus said: You express same nationalistic sentiments that many other nations have expressed and failed... You country cannot withstand any of the countries mentioned above without the help of Nato...Whilst president Erdogan can talk the talk he cannot do the walk... All of your claims are ridiculous, appearently you have no idea about World politics. You are afraid of Turks and you hate Turks. You are trying to suppress your fear. Below a tweet from your official Navy account, you are really funny like as a 5 years old kid. Edited October 14, 2016 by Altai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, Altai said: All of your claims are ridiculous, appearently you have no idea about World politics. You are afraid of Turks and you hate Turks. You are trying to suppress your fear. Below a tweet from your official Navy account, you are really funny like as a 5 years old kid. Explain to me rationally (if you can) why my claims are ridiculous without making this personal... I don't hate turks and never said anything as such...And please spare me the lecture on fear. You don't know me to judge me! I just don't agree with your view that kicking Americans/ Brits and Iranians out of the region as you stated above will solve anything. Iran afterall is already in the region so to kick them out of the region doesn't make any sense unless I have misunderstood what you were trying to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, kactus said: Explain to me rationally (if you can) why my claims are ridiculous without making this personal... I don't hate turks and never said anything as such...And please spare me the lecture on fear. You don't know me to judge me! I just don't agree with your view that kicking Americans/ Brits and Iranians out of the region as you stated above will solve anything. Iran afterall is already in the region so to kick them out of the region doesn't make any sense unless I have misunderstood what you were trying to say... Because its nonsense to say NATO supports Turkiye. You have no idea about our relations with other countries. NATO and Turkiye hates each other. I dont use the the word "you" as a personal pronoun but I use it as general pronoun to adress "Western countries". In my language if I want to adress you as personally, I can say "sen" and if I want to adress your countries in general, I can say "siz" but there is no such a distinction in English. We have to use the word "you" to describe both personally or generally. Edited October 14, 2016 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 3 hours ago, Altai said: NATO and Turkiye hates each other. Why did Turkey join NATO, and why doesn't it withdraw? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 53 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Why did Turkey join NATO, and why doesn't it withdraw? Because of British-US puppet stupid Kemalists. We will withdraw, we are the NATO's second strongest army after US and will be much stronger in next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Altai said: Because of British-US puppet stupid Kemalists. We will withdraw, we are the NATO's second strongest army after US and will be much stronger in next 10 years. In 10 years Turkey will be an Islamist state and you will not be permitted to give your opinions without your husband's permission. And Turkey will be largely bankrupt as what wealth it has is stolen by its corrupt ruling elite. A president who builds himself a thousand room place is not interested in the welfare of the state so much as his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Erdogan will soon be done away with. Turkey is too strategic a country to be ignored but it can't be led by a megalomaniac lunatic. Either there will be another coup-attempt, this time successful or "an accident". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 7 hours ago, -TSS- said: Erdogan will soon be done away with. Turkey is too strategic a country to be ignored but it can't be led by a megalomaniac lunatic. Either there will be another coup-attempt, this time successful or "an accident". LoL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 11 hours ago, -TSS- said: Erdogan will soon be done away with. Turkey is too strategic a country to be ignored but it can't be led by a megalomaniac lunatic. Either there will be another coup-attempt, this time successful or "an accident". Having another islamic country in that region has set them back many years...This is not what Atatürk wanted who many turks admire to date. Mission accomplished... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 4 hours ago, kactus said: Having another islamic country in that region has set them back many years...This is not what Atatürk wanted who many turks admire to date. Mission accomplished... Just the opposite, we are one of the few countries in the World's fastest growing : ) and Atheism is also a kind of religion, you should be against it too : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidarity Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Do you really believe the AKP's economic statements Altai? How can the economy be one of the fastest growing when tourism is way down, terrorism is growing and there are soldiers KIA and WIA almost every day... some cities of the SE are starting to look like Syria (Diyabakir, nusaybin ect), which in itself is a huge economic loss... For another example, the grand bazaar in istanbul has 600 closed shops, and I haven't even started to calculate the drain on the economy from supporting millions of refugees from Syria and Iraq... Most of turkeys economic boom over the past decade has been based in the construction sectors, financed specifically by the Arab $$$ flooding into turkey. Just because there are more skyscrapers being built in Izmir and Istanbul does not mean anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Solidarity said: Do you really believe the AKP's economic statements Altai? How can the economy be one of the fastest growing when tourism is way down, terrorism is growing and there are soldiers KIA and WIA almost every day... some cities of the SE are starting to look like Syria (Diyabakir, nusaybin ect), which in itself is a huge economic loss... For another example, the grand bazaar in istanbul has 600 closed shops, and I haven't even started to calculate the drain on the economy from supporting millions of refugees from Syria and Iraq... Most of turkeys economic boom over the past decade has been based in the construction sectors, financed specifically by the Arab $$$ flooding into turkey. Just because there are more skyscrapers being built in Izmir and Istanbul does not mean anything... Someone dont need to be really a high IQ person to understand that current Turkish govt is good. If the current Turkish govt was really bad, whole Western countries would support it because they dont want any Muslim countries, especially Turks to be good. Today whole Western countries openly behave hostile against Turkish govt because they are good at their job : ) Our tourism statistics are perfect, tourist numbers are decreased only this year while it was constantly increasing before. The main reason for it Western backed terror organizations PKK and ISIS started to attack rapidly and in a coordinated manner and FETO members in the army shot down a Russian plane. It has nothing with govt. Nope, there are some towns at SE where terror organizations members started to perform terror actions and we have evacuated civilians and neutralize all of them. Western countries was expecting that their terror organization can settle in the towns for a long time but this is really a crazy dream, WAKE UP, this is not Syria nor Iraq nor Cambodia nor Vietnam nor Pakistan nor Afghanistan nor Mexico : ))) are you guys drunk or are you on what ? Even your military armies together cannot easily defeat our army : ) but you expect a bunch of atheist terrorist to resist against our army ? You are crazy : D Anyway, you should search more about our economy. You are quite ignorant. Edited October 15, 2016 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Another city in Syria which is controlled by ISIS and "stand" against more than 60 coalition countries since years have been seized by Turkish Army backed rebels in 1 day. Dont allow Western theater to wash your brain.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/syria-war-turkish-backed-rebels-seize-dabiq-isil-161016093547972.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 10/14/2016 at 10:36 AM, Altai said: Because of British-US puppet stupid Kemalists. We will withdraw, we are the NATO's second strongest army after US and will be much stronger in next 10 years. Do you have a death wish for both the people of Turkey and the West? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 8 hours ago, jbg said: Do you have a death wish for both the people of Turkey and the West? Ofcourse I dont, I wish a World where all people live in peace and especially Western governments' actions and Western people who supports their govts makes it impossible. We must put an end to this ugly situation. How we could ensure that ? by balancing powers and by ensuring the justice. My system may be a solution for it >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 55 minutes ago, Altai said: Ofcourse I dont, I wish a World where all people live in peace and especially Western governments' actions and Western people who supports their govts makes it impossible. We must put an end to this ugly situation. How we could ensure that ? by balancing powers and by ensuring the justice. My system may be a solution for it >>> Living in peace means that "both sides" stand down. Not bloody likely. It's easy for the West, which basically wants peace and to "go along to get along" to stand down. Not so easy when non-Western powers basically want to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 56 minutes ago, jbg said: Living in peace means that "both sides" stand down. Not bloody likely. It's easy for the West, which basically wants peace and to "go along to get along" to stand down. Not so easy when non-Western powers basically want to win. This is the problem, Western countries dont want peace as you mentioned. Just the opposite they want to stay strong by terrorizing other countries. There are millions of examples for it. Western countries dont want peace in the World, they first want to complately destroy rest of the World. Secondly they want to destroy each other until a single Western ideology lefts alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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