Argus Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Immediately? Of course not. Of course, we don't actually know from which survey pool the immigrants and refugees came (despite your column 'evidence'). There's also the reality that Canadian society will have a natural moderating influence and it always had had. It's the most successful country when it comes to immigration. Really? Like that Afghani guy charged with attacking his wife's boss for speaking to her? Of course he's only been here 15 years. We've never imported massive numbers of people from a religious group wholly different from ours before. The severely religious groups who have come here haven't changed much, like the ultra orthodox Jews. What makes you think Muslims will? I'm not defending Islam He said while defending Islam day in and day out... - I'm defending Muslims from your sweeping generalizations, and refuting utter falsehoods about Islam. Why that's mighty white of you. Do you get a medal with that? Do Muslims bow and smile in thanks whenever you deign to walk among them? I'd like to hear some of my falsehoods about Islam you're defending against. Please do recite them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 I haven't read anywhere that it's the most progressive mosque in Ottawa. I gather that it's the biggest and the oldest and that it's been the go-to mosque in Ottawa because it's the one the last guy went to. -k That its head imam is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood gives little hope it is 'progressive' even as loose a term as that is when applied to Muslims. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Already addressed. That article does not call it his mosque, and only tries to establish a loose connection through a group of 100,000 individuals. There is a sexual predator living in your town, ergo you are a sexual predator. How about if the sexual predator is in charge of the mosque? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Anectodes aren't proof. Edited September 22, 2016 by Smallc Quote
?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 How about if the sexual predator is in charge of the mosque? Why not, we have had a lot of sexual predators in charge of Churches. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 There is a long track record of providing medical services in Egypt, especially in the poorer areas. So they predate among the poor for more supporters. The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is: "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu akbar!” Al-Banna said: “It is in the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” Now, why does Trudeau claim this is a shared value? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Now, why does Trudeau claim this is a shared value? He doesn't, plain and simple. Do you need it spelled out in big letters? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 He doesn't, plain and simple. Do you need it spelled out in big letters? He attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit Conference which hosts MB speakers and claimed that very thing. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 He attended the Reviving the Islamic Spirit Conference which hosts MB speakers and claimed that very thing. imaging links that are not there does not make them so. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 imaging links that are not there does not make them so. You're free to deny it happened. Denial is all you have. Here's his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArtiAI52d9M The Muslim Brotherhood is clear: their law is the Quran...etc. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 You're free to deny it happened. Denial is all you have. Sorry, but I have reality. I have spoken at many conferences with my competitors. Hell, I have even attended their sessions and they mine. Does that mean we were giving each other endorsements? Come out of the deep end, you are drowning. Quote
overthere Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Sorry, but I have reality. I have spoken at many conferences with my competitors. Hell, I have even attended their sessions and they mine. Does that mean we were giving each other endorsements? Come out of the deep end, you are drowning. That is the most tortured analogy I have seen here for quite a while. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
DogOnPorch Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Sorry, but I have reality. I have spoken at many conferences with my competitors. Hell, I have even attended their sessions and they mine. Does that mean we were giving each other endorsements? Come out of the deep end, you are drowning. You were proven incorrect. So I ask again: why does Trudeau make such a claim as sharing values with the MB? Is it naivety? That is: he didn't know the MB held such views? Poorly informed by his advisors...over and over? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 On 9/21/2016 at 7:09 PM, Smallc said: Yes, they were behind the men. Islam, like (almost) all religions, treats women as less. Shall I stop the presses? They were in the room, they were taking pictures, and they shook his hand. Would I rather that people stopped believing in make believe and joined us in reality? Sure. Do I think that going to the mosque makes Trudeau a hypocrite or even worst, a misogynist? Not really. Ah yes...here we are: you supporting JT in his war on women. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Yes, I support religious rights. I'm an antitheist, but I still support religious rights. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Smallc said: Yes, I support religious rights. I'm an antitheist, but I still support religious rights. Allahu Akbar! Thanks for proving me correct. So do the women in YOUR life also have to use 'the other entrance' or just Muslim women you don't know? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 you're actually repeating falsehoods about that event. Keep it up though - it's par for the course. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 You just stated that you support religious rights...which, as we see, trump WOMEN'S rights. So which do you support if JT invites you to one of his mosques? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Rights normally come in to contradiction. You have to do your best to respect and balance them. Twisting things only serves to pervert reality, the same way that the alt right did leading up to the trump victory. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 I've seen where you stand if push comes to shove...women, this one is a catch! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Like I said, go ahead and twist. It doesn't actually change things. Quote
msj Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Agreed smallc. While I'd prefer that churches/mosques/synagogues marry gays and treat women equally we have a constitution that says that in their house they can do that shit. In return, I'd prefer that they not get property tax exemptions, housing allowances for clergy, and income tax breaks but, meh, whatevs. As long as we make it clear that their shit is not acceptable in the real world (I.e. outside their temples) then I can live with this awful compromise. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, msj said: Agreed smallc. While I'd prefer that churches/mosques/synagogues marry gays and treat women equally we have a constitution that says that in their house they can do that shit. In return, I'd prefer that they not get property tax exemptions, housing allowances for clergy, and income tax breaks but, meh, whatevs. As long as we make it clear that their shit is not acceptable in the real world (I.e. outside their temples) then I can live with this awful compromise. Oh please...JT can't wait for MORE Islam. You'll be in a bag, yet. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Actually, JT seems far more comfortable courting China and India. Quote
Smallc Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Well he is a politician. We also need investment and educated immigrants. Quote
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