Because it's 2016

[Smallc]

Except that DID happen during his speech.

I've already provided proof that there were women in the room, at the front and back. Many of the women shook hands with Trudeau after the speech.

[cybercoma]

No, I'm concerned about women's rights in Canada. My question is, why aren't you?

WCR not concerned about women's rights?

Reality is what you make it, I guess.

[kimmy]

Except that didn't happen during his speech, and isn't always the case in that particular mosque.

What? Your own picture that you posted earlier in the thread shows the men sitting in a place of honor in the front row in front of the PM while the women stand in the back row and the exit hallway.

-k

[Smallc]

What? Your own picture that you posted earlier in the thread shows the men sitting in a place of honor in the front row in front of the PM while the women stand in the back row and the exit hallway.

-k

They were in the same room. At least you've come a long way from claiming that they weren't there (not to mention the women standing at the front of the room).

Progress - it doesn't happen all at once.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Smallc

[kimmy]

They were in the same room. At least you've come a long way from claiming that they weren't there (not to mention the women standing at the front of the room).

Progress - it doesn't happen all at once.

I never claimed they weren't there. I initially wrote that they were watching from a balcony, which is something I'd read earlier and might have been a misinterpretation of what "upstairs" meant. As for the women standing at the front of the room, mouths shut and heads covered, I stick by what I said earlier: it's not how much respect they show to Members of Parliament that matters, it's how much respect they show to ordinary women.

And it still rankles me that even when pressed by the moderator on Friday he couldn't bring himself to even acknowledge the complaint. "Well nobody's perfect" is the closest he can bring himself to acknowledging the issue. It's all part of an ongoing pattern of make-believe where there's no misogyny in Muslim communities, no homophobia in Islamic communities, no antisemitism in Islamic communities, it's all just awesome and if there is a problem it's ok because nobody's perfect.

-k

[Smallc]

I think that's more something you read into it than anything. Trudeau listing a litany of things that are wrong with people whose rights he is charged with defending (just like yours and mine) would be completely unbecoming of his office.

Also - he's right. Nobody is perfect. Islam is a religion that has the largest problem with violence and bigotry, but it's not the only religion or group.

[kimmy]

I think that's more something you read into it than anything. Trudeau listing a litany of things that are wrong with people whose rights he is charged with defending (just like yours and mine) would be completely unbecoming of his office.

On the contrary, he's not shy at all about letting "majority" Canadians know that we need to improve and be more welcoming, more diverse, more understanding, more ... sunny.

-k

[Spiderfish]

This seems no worse than segregation in other religions that have been here for centuries, causing none of this uproar.

Yeah, but the traditional norm is no longer acceptable, the bar has been raised by Trudeau himself. Remember?? Its 2016!! We no longer hire MP's based on merit without first assessing gender quotas. Centuries old dogmatic religious tradition certainly won't cut it. It has no place in the new Canada in 2016.

[Smallc]

On the contrary, he's not shy at all about letting "majority" Canadians know that we need to improve and be more welcoming, more diverse, more understanding, more ... sunny.

Point to where he did that.

Yeah, but the traditional norm is no longer acceptable, the bar has been raised by Trudeau himself. Remember?? Its 2016!! We no longer hire MP's based on merit without first assessing gender quotas. Centuries old dogmatic religious tradition certainly won't cut it. It has no place in the new Canada in 2016.

Acceptance of different beliefs and belief systems is part of that same Canada, as I've said several times.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Smallc

[cybercoma]

Yeah but they were segregated.

They were in the same room.

Yeah but I thought they were on a balcony. Still, they were at the back of the room.

There were women at the front of the room.

Those women don't count because they're special women. Plus they had to keep quiet.

A few women have actually spoke there in the last couple of years.

Well, like I said, they're special women.

(like there are any special women to misogynists)

[Argus]

I've already provided proof that there were women in the room, at the front and back. Many of the women shook hands with Trudeau after the speech.

The people in the back were reporters. There were no female worshipers on the floor.

[poochy]

In light of his stance on womens issues he just couldn't have refused the invite or gone elsewhere, nope, according to his die hards around here he seemingly had no choice but to condone the segregation of women by attending, he just couldn't avoid the exposure of his own politically expedient hypocrisy. Some of you are seriously broken.

Edited September 19, 2016 by poochy

[msj]

Yes, those women there in the back, especially the ones taking pictures with their smartphones, are cracker jack ace reporters for Al Jazeera.

http://muslimlink.ca/images/stories/News/Local/PM-Women-and-Men_lead_article.jpg

[Argus]

Yes, those women there in the back, especially the ones taking pictures with their smartphones, are cracker jack ace reporters for Al Jazeera.

http://muslimlink.ca/images/stories/News/Local/PM-Women-and-Men_lead_article.jpg

Different picture than the one I was thinking of. And it hardly matters if they snuck down from the loft to snatch a picture from behind where the men were sitting before being chased back up like naughty children.

[msj]

I prefer to deal in reality which means I prefer to make claims based on actual facts.

This means putting up pictures so we can discuss things based on those facts rather than the pictures in your head (or the one you were "thinking of.").

Hence the .

Oh, and I grabbed this picture from kimmy's response to smallc many pages ago so it has been residing on this thread for quite some time now for all to see.

Edited September 19, 2016 by msj

[Smallc]

The people in the back were reporters. There were no female worshipers on the floor.

It's also easier to invent facts.

[cybercoma]

they snuck down from the loft .

It looks pretty bad when you get caught in your lies and foolishness then just continue to make up utter nonsense.

[PIK]

Then why did the females cover up and enter thru a side door.

[Smallc]

Then why did the females cover up and enter thru a side door.

They didn't enter through the side door - that's already been proven false by the area MP, who was there.

They covered their heads because it's tradition to do so. What do you have against tradition?

[?Impact]

Has a Prime Minister visited a synagogue with a mechitza to tell them what a great job they're doing?

-k

A recent former Prime Minister invited a bunch of rabbi's on his junket to Israel, including Toronto Rabbi Daniel Korobkin from Beth Avraham Joseph synagogue, the largest Orthodox congregation in Canada.According to article IV of their constitution: All services shall be conducted in accordance with traditional Orthodox practice. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing the Congregation will have separate seating for men and women, with a balcony or other halachically proper mechitza during religious services conducted under its auspices.

As you later said:

I can accept his decision to go, but it rankles me that he is unwilling to even acknowledge the issue. The criticism of Trudeau is not just coming from Muslim-haters and rednecks, it's coming from feminists as well.

Where was your criticism of Stephen Harper when he cozied up to Rabbi Daniel Korobkin without acknowledging the elephant in the room?

Edited September 19, 2016 by ?Impact

[cybercoma]

Then why did the females cover up and enter thru a side door.

Why do nuns cover up?

[poochy]

A recent former Prime Minister invited a bunch of rabbi's on his junket to Israel, including Toronto Rabbi Daniel Korobkin from Beth Avraham Joseph synagogue, the largest Orthodox congregation in Canada.According to article IV of their constitution: All services shall be conducted in accordance with traditional Orthodox practice. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing the Congregation will have separate seating for men and women, with a balcony or other halachically proper mechitza during religious services conducted under its auspices.

As you later said:

Where was your criticism of Stephen Harper when he cozied up to Rabbi Daniel Korobkin without acknowledging the elephant in the room?

Did Harper represent himself as the complete opposite to the beleifs you claim he was supporting?

This is truly very hard for some of you to grasp.

[Smallc]

Did Harper represent himself as the complete opposite to the beleifs you claim he was supporting?

Are you saying that Harper was against equality for women?

[?Impact]

Did Harper represent himself as the complete opposite to the beleifs you claim he was supporting?

So you are admitting that Harper was a misogynist?

[msj]

Ha ha, I was thinking the same thing!