Husky spills 200k litres of crude into river

[Peter F]

It's a matter of shipping it to Japan or China or wherever so they can make a lot more money - and employ a lot of people, and pay a lot more money to various levels of government, which then go on to help fund all those nice programs the people of BC enjoy.

Then perhaps the oil companies should sweeten the offer to those whose permission is required. As we all know, anyone can be bought, the trick is finding the appropriate offer. Obviously they have no intention of making that offer because - guess what - they make oodles of profit without the pipeline (at least when the price of oil was high).

[?Impact]

Just as a matter of comparison, 200,000 litres is the contents of two rail cars.

[Peter F]

sounds about right. How much surface area would two rail cars of oil cover?

[eyeball]

A litre of oil would produce close to a 2 acre slick.

Edited July 23, 2016 by eyeball

[poochy]

Here is an article about the people of BC who are against this pipeline, as usual the ones leading the charge are mostly far left crazies. People who should simply be ignored, and in most parts of the world, would be.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/brian-hutchinson-bitter-diatribe-in-b-c-as-federal-liberals-drive-by-pipeline-consultation-lands

[eyeball]

They will be ignored. As the article you cited shows the consultation process is a sham - designed for the purpose of eliciting the kinds of responses far right crazies can hoot and crow over.

In the meantime, and for reasons more political than practical, the Trudeau government decided to hold 17 round-table discussions in various communities, including some, like Chilliwack, which will be directly impacted by the Kinder Morgan expansion, should it proceed.

[Argus]

Build more pipelines that leak? or, since pipelines do leak, build as few as possible? I think the latter makes more sense.

As long as you don't feel the need for all those expensive government programs that the oil industry helps pay for.

[Argus]

Then perhaps the oil companies should sweeten the offer to those whose permission is required. As we all know, anyone can be bought, the trick is finding the appropriate offer. Obviously they have no intention of making that offer because - guess what - they make oodles of profit without the pipeline (at least when the price of oil was high).

Pipelines are a national profit generator and tax producer and the proceeds are shared nationwide, including with all the welfare tribes bleating about how they don't want pipelines.

[jacee]

Pipelines are a national profit generator and tax producer and the proceeds are shared nationwide, including with all the welfare tribes bleating about how they don't want pipelines.

Is the irresponsible "national profit generator and tax producer" going to pay for the damage?

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prince-albert-to-shut-down-water-supply/

Enough of this nonsense. If they can't build, maintain and service pipelines so they don't destroy the environment and livelihoods ... SHUT.THEM.DOWN!!

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Edited July 23, 2016 by jacee

[jacee]

As long as you don't feel the need for all those expensive government programs that the oil industry helps pay for.

Silly argument, Argus.

Obviously energy needs will be fulfilled by the renewable energy industry.

Providing jobs, paying taxes, etc

solar-industry-says-70000-jobs-knocking-albertas-door

Following your line of thinking ... cars would have never been allowed, highways wouldn't have been built ... Because it would have shut down the horsebreeders, trainers and sellers, blacksmith and stable businesses ... that paid taxes.

Edited July 23, 2016 by jacee

[Bryan]

Following your line of thinking ... cars would have never been allowed, highways wouldn't have been built ... Because it would have shut down the horsebreeders, trainers and sellers, blacksmith and stable businesses ... that paid taxes.

That doesn't even remotely follow his line of thinking as he's presented it here.

[Argus]

Is the irresponsible "national profit generator and tax producer" going to pay for the damage?

Yes, probably.

Enough of this nonsense. If they can't build, maintain and service pipelines so they don't destroy the environment and livelihoods ... SHUT.THEM.DOWN!!.

You heat your home with peat moss, I presume?

[Argus]

Silly argument, Argus.

Obviously energy needs will be fulfilled by the renewable energy industry.

Perhaps some day. Right now renewables are not capable of fulfilling our energy needs at a cost which would not bankrupt our economy.

Following your line of thinking ... cars would have never been allowed, highways wouldn't have been built ... Because it would have shut down the horsebreeders, trainers and sellers, blacksmith and stable businesses ... that paid taxes.

People continued to use horses for many decades after the automobile came along. It took that long before cars became reliable enough, and produced cheaply enough to push the horse and wagons/buggies into extinction.

[jacee]

Yes, probably.

You heat your home with peat moss, I presume?

I can heat my home many different ways.

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[Peter F]

Pipelines are a national profit generator and tax producer and the proceeds are shared nationwide, including with all the welfare tribes bleating about how they don't want pipelines.

Thats right - even when those welfare tribes refuse to allow them to build pipelines. Tough being a capitalist and having to rely on everyone else.

Jeez Argus, its almost like useless welfare bum mouths-to-feed are necessary for corporate well being.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'm curious. Do the folks posting in this thread who are in support of the pipelines actually live here?

[Peter F]

Here is an article about the people of BC who are against this pipeline, as usual the ones leading the charge are mostly far left crazies. People who should simply be ignored, and in most parts of the world, would be.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/brian-hutchinson-bitter-diatribe-in-b-c-as-federal-liberals-drive-by-pipeline-consultation-lands

Fear not, poochy, Kindermorgen will do their utmost to make sure they are ignored. Just like a real democracy.

[jacee]

Perhaps some day. Right now renewables are not capable of fulfilling our energy needs at a cost which would not bankrupt our economy.

People continued to use horses for many decades after the automobile came along. It took that long before cars became reliable enough, and produced cheaply enough to push the horse and wagons/buggies into extinction.

There's still the odd horse and buggy around. ?

Yes, we are in the transition from major reliance on fossil fuels to renewables.

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Edited July 23, 2016 by jacee

[Peter F]

As long as you don't feel the need for all those expensive government programs that the oil industry helps pay for.

Funny thing is, I do feel the need for some (if not all) those expensive government programs that they help pay for. Hell, not only them, but you yourself help pay for. And should they ever ask me if they can run a pipeline through my back yard for 1/4 of what I consider reasonable compensation but promise to help pay for government programs (but only once the government through law forces them to and certainly not before) - I'd tell them to kiss my marxist arse.

THEN, then I would ask them to sell me some gas for my furnace to keep my house warm - and they would! Happily! With no further requirements on my part.

Its a wonderful life!

Edited July 23, 2016 by Peter F

[Guest]

I'm curious. Do the folks posting in this thread who are in support of the pipelines actually live here?

I do.

[WestCoastRunner]

I do.

You are in the minority of BC residents that support oil pipelines.

[eyeball]

Perhaps some day. Right now renewables are not capable of fulfilling our energy needs at a cost which would not bankrupt our economy.

People continued to use horses for many decades after the automobile came along. It took that long before cars became reliable enough, and produced cheaply enough to push the horse and wagons/buggies into extinction.

Ah so horses and buggies didn't need to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way.

[eyeball]

I do.

I thought you moved to Alberta.

But to be fair I live here on Earth too.

[Guest]

You are in the minority of BC residents that support oil pipelines.

I thought you moved to Alberta.

But to be fair I live here on Earth too.

Sorry, I must have misread. I thought you meant anywhere with a pipeline. I do live in Alberta. We have more pipelines than ground.

Edited July 24, 2016 by bcsapper

[WestCoastRunner]

Sorry, I must have misread. I thought you meant anywhere with a pipeline. I do live in Alberta. We have more pipelines than ground.

Right. So let us residents of BC be self determining of our future.