Big Guy Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 From what I have seen on this board, there are at least 20 posters who consider themselves political geniuses who know more than those in our government. Well here is your chance. Just fill out a form and YOU may be chosen to sit in our Senate: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-senate-application-1.3669318 You may wonder of you qualify. Find out at: https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/independent-advisory-board-for-senate-appointments.html You can even apply on-line and if you qualify and convince the hiring team that you are as smart as you think you are then you have a very good job. Go for it: https://senate-appointments.canada.ca/slctnPrcs.asp?lang=eng&SelectionProcessId={16B60EAB-75B2-4831-90AE-4138E9D100AB} What criteria would you like to see for appointment to our Senate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 The very first thing listed under "merit-based criteria" is "gender, indigenous, and minority" balance. While such balance may be desirable in the Senate for various reasons, those are hardly "merit-based criteria". https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/independent-advisory-board-for-senate-appointments/assessment-criteria.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Funny what qualifies as merit these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 The very first thing listed under "merit-based criteria" is "gender, indigenous, and minority" balance. While such balance may be desirable in the Senate for various reasons, those are hardly "merit-based criteria". https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/independent-advisory-board-for-senate-appointments/assessment-criteria.html If two candidates have the same qualifications and one brings 'balance', the other not,not course it's merit- based criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 If two candidates have the same qualifications and one brings 'balance', the other not,not course it's merit- based criteria. No, that's just straight up discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 No, that's just straight up discrimination. No it's not. That person brings more to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 No it's not. That person brings more to the table. Making such a claim is open and deliberate discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 If two candidates have the same qualifications and one brings 'balance', the other not,not course it's merit- based criteria. Yeah... you'd think "balance" would be brought based on the content of a person's beliefs and positions, rather than the color of their skin or what's between their legs. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 If two candidates have the same qualifications and one brings 'balance', the other not,not course it's merit- based criteria. Where does it say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Where does it say that?[/quoteWhere it says 'priority will be given to those who bring balance'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Where does it say that?[/quoteWhere it says 'priority will be given to those who bring balance'. It says nothing about it being a tie breaker. I don't have a problem with attempting to make the Senate a reflection our population but merit is not measured by who your parents were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Yeah... you'd think "balance" would be brought based on the content of a person's beliefs and positions, rather than the color of their skin or what's between their legs. No? No. Balance is about the equal representation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 No. Balance is about the equal representation. Then don't put it under the heading "merit". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 It says nothing about it being a tie breaker. I don't have a problem with attempting to make the Senate a reflection our population but merit is not measured by who your parents were. Priority will be given is not the same thing as having quotas (your interpretation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Then don't put it under the heading "merit". Then don't put it under the heading "merit". But it is a merit. It's brings representation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 But it is a merit. It's brings representation. Don't be ridiculous. If I got a job simply because I was a white male, would you say I got it on merit? I sure wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Don't be ridiculous. If I got a job simply because I was a white male, would you say I got it on merit? I sure wouldn't. Part of the job of the Senate is to represent Canadians and their diversity - it's merit in this case. Edited July 10, 2016 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Don't be ridiculous. If I got a job simply because I was a white male, would you say I got it on merit? I sure wouldn't. But it's not just because of their colour. We've been over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Part of the job of the Senate is to represent Canadians and their diversity - it's merit in this case. I understand why they are doing it and actually approve. I'm not saying the people chosen aren't qualified ( although sometimes you wonder) but being chosen for something based on your race has nothing to do with merit. Pick another word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Part of the job of the Senate is to represent Canadians and their diversity - it's merit in this case. Well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Part of the job of the Senate is to represent Canadians and their diversity - it's merit in this case. No it isn't, if you insist on using race as a basis of determining merit, you are a racist my friend. It may be a qualification and that's OK with me but it has nothing to do with merit Using the term "merit" is a perversion of the word. mer·it ˈmerət/ noun 1. the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward. "composers of outstanding merit" synonyms: excellence, quality, caliber, worth, worthiness, credit, value, distinction, eminence "composers of outstanding merit" verb 1. deserve or be worthy of (something, especially reward, punishment, or attention). "the results have been encouraging enough to merit further investigation" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Then don't put it under the heading "merit".I agree. It was foolish. Because now we have this stupid conversation instead of a useful one.. Edited July 10, 2016 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think it is useful, it's an example of how government and others will try to pervert the meaning of a word in order to spin something. In this case it's dishonest and unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think if they had used the word and they were looking to hire a CPA, I'd agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think if they had used the word and they were looking to hire a CPA, I'd agree with you. So being a Senator isn't a real job. I guess we all know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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