Human Harvest: China's Illegal Organ Trade

[bush_cheney2004]

Or trade with the United States, which waged wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, created the ISIS, that caused millions of people killed in recent years.

Way before that, Canada traded with the United States regardless of domestic policies (slavery, segregation, execution of prisoners, nuclear attacks on Japan, etc. etc.) Canada made billions of dollars from the Vietnam War.

Speaking of organ harvesting, Canada imports oodles of human tissue and blood products from the United States....donor rates in Canada are among the world's lowest.

Whatever China is doing is 'mice nuts' from a historical perspective.

[Argus]

The problem comes when our trade enriches and empowers nations who are implacably hostile to us and our way of life. That includes both China and Saudi Arabia, for example.

[bjre]

The problem comes when our trade enriches and empowers nations who are implacably hostile to us and our way of life. That includes both China and Saudi Arabia, for example.

It is the Politicians of the United States and its followers hostile to China and many other countries, it ask for sanction for other nations, wage wars, use its media to blame other governments, make people hate people.

China does not hostile any other country, it trades with any country.

The reason of most people's life become worse is not because China, it is because inability of our own government. It is because too high tax makes people hard to earn money, so their purchase power becomes less, so that industry can not compete with other countries that has lower tax rate. 9% of the tax goes directly to private banks as interest, because gov loan from those private banks instead of bank of Canada, that could make all the interest belong to tax payers.

[Argus]

It is the Politicians of the United States and its followers hostile to China and many other countries, it ask for sanction for other nations, wage wars, use its media to blame other governments, make people hate people.

China does not hostile any other country, it trades with any country.

The reason of most people's life become worse is not because China, it is because inability of our own government. It is because too high tax makes people hard to earn money, so their purchase power becomes less, so that industry can not compete with other countries that has lower tax rate. 9% of the tax goes directly to private banks as interest, because gov loan from those private banks instead of bank of Canada, that could make all the interest belong to tax payers.

The above is all barely coherent drivel with no basis in fact. China is, aside from the some glittering cities where the corrupt rich play and everyone else labours dawn to dusk, the same miserable third world pesthole it has always been, with barefoot peasants labouring behind oxen to farm rice. It is a vastly corrupt land with no human rights ruled by a brutal political elite without morals, ethics or values. Such places are always the enemy of freedom and humanity.

[Guest]

The above is all barely coherent drivel with no basis in fact. China is, aside from the some glittering cities where the corrupt rich play and everyone else labours dawn to dusk, the same miserable third world pesthole it has always been, with barefoot peasants labouring behind oxen to farm rice. It is a vastly corrupt land with no human rights ruled by a brutal political elite without morals, ethics or values. Such places are always the enemy of freedom and humanity.

Yeah, I was surprised to hear that something like 30% of the hidden cash revealed by the Panama Papers came from China. A trillion dollars, no less!

Keep that Proletariat united guys. I'm sure they were just saving it for you.

Edited April 16, 2016 by bcsapper

[G Huxley]

The problem comes when our trade enriches and empowers nations who are implacably hostile to us and our way of life. That includes both China and Saudi Arabia, for example.

Well said.

[G Huxley]

Yeah, I was surprised to hear that something like 30% of the hidden cash revealed by the Panama Papers came from China. A trillion dollars, no less!

Keep that Proletariat united guys. I'm sure they were just saving it for you.

Also well said.

[eyeball]

Well said.

Don't forget Argus could also care less if our trade is implacably hostile to locals and their way of life.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada routinely imports CTOs (cells, tissues, and organs) , blood products, etc. from living and deceased donors (cadavers) from the United States and other nations, including prison populations. International trafficking in human tissues is big business...just another form of "trade".

https://cloudfront-files-1.publicintegrity.org/documents/pdfs/SkinBone.pdf

Edited April 17, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[bjre]

The above is all barely coherent drivel with no basis in fact. China is, aside from the some glittering cities where the corrupt rich play and everyone else labours dawn to dusk, the same miserable third world pesthole it has always been, with barefoot peasants labouring behind oxen to farm rice. It is a vastly corrupt land with no human rights ruled by a brutal political elite without morals, ethics or values. Such places are always the enemy of freedom and humanity.

The above are just some cliché of political correctness doctrine, which formed by decades of mainstream media propaganda enforcement and taught at schools and colleges, to fool people with the same method as the allegory of the cave, enjoyed by the old men that lived in the Valley of Ignorance described by Hendrik Van Loon in his book Tolerance.

If you ask those young Chinese students study in Canada universities and colleges, you will find most of them have no feeling about which country is more freer between Canada and China. Hypocritical people always enjoy blaming others and blind on themselves. Actually, the real enemy of and humanity are the US politicians and its followers. People live in Canada would have more freedom to visit around the world if not so high tax apply on each individual and company, while the governments of Europe, Japan, Australia and many others are try to attract more Chinese barefoot peasants to visit there for their economy.

Those political correct politicians love to set China as a blame target and then try to collect reasons. They forget that they are living in a place that Chris Kempling lost his job simple because he expressed his opposite position against the homosexuals, that Jan Wong lost her job because she published the article "Get under the desk" in The Globe and Mail, that Peter Sloly lost his job because he gave a speech criticizing the size of the police budget as excessive.

[waldo]

Speaking of organ harvesting, Canada imports oodles of human tissue and blood products from the United States....donor rates in Canada are among the world's lowest.

c'mon, you're trying to play this ole' nugget again? In those Canada-to-U.S./Spain comparisons that typically get made, key differentiation factors aren't considered... as you've been apprised of them in the past, you're purposely ignoring such things like actual donors-to-actual transplants, like consent, like mortality rates, etc..

Canada's figures only include completed transplants - actual donated tissue/organs transplanted. U.S./Spain rates include non-transplant numbers. When considering actual donor transplants, those transplant procedures completed, the ratio for Canada is 3.2 organs transplanted per donor... for the U.S., 3.0 per donor... and for Spain, 2.6 per donor.

another significant factor is that of presumed consent! Spain has a presumed consent practice/law... organs/tissues will always be donated unless a contributor/source has formally "opted out". In the U.S., only 20 states have signed on to the latest 2007 iteration of the U.S. Uniform Anatomical Gift Act (UAGA)... in Canada, a donor/family members speaking on behalf of the donor must formally give consent.

and then there's mortality figures! When considering the main causes associated with cadaver donations, Canada has a relatively low mortality rate relative to Spain and the United States: for example, Canada's age standardized per year road death rate is 101 road deaths/million population... Spain's rate is 142 road deaths/million... the U.S. rate is 156 road deaths/million. Equally, Canada's age standardized per year mortality rate due to gunshot wounds is 35 gunshot deaths/million population... the U.S. rate is 126 gunshot deaths/million population. Apparently, not having as many cadavers available just might be a contributor to donor rates - go figure!

... per the latest figures from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, in the United States, 117,546 people are currently waiting for an organ... 18 people will die in the U.S. each day waiting for an organ.

within China, cultural and societal 'norms/traditions' in regards death (keeping the 'body whole' after death) have a significant influence on organ donation. Again drawing upon the typical comparison made to Spain, in 2014, China's organ donation rate was 0.6 per million people in China, compared with 37 per million in Spain... typically in recent years, as many as 300,000 patients need transplants each year, but only 10,000 or so receive them. For a period of time, an outlet source for organs was that of executed prisoners - a practice now legislated against. Per a UN WHO bulletin:

New era for organ donation and transplant in China

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[G Huxley]

Most of the the executed prisoners the organs are drawn from were simply prisoners for having different beliefs.

[bush_cheney2004]

Most of the the executed prisoners the organs are drawn from were simply prisoners for having different beliefs.

Different issue entirely...once there is a cadaver available (for any reason), the huge demand for CTOs in China and elsewhere will logically make such organs available. Nothing yet proves that healthy prisoners are being executed specifically to get their organs.

[G Huxley]

You haven't watched the documentary. In the documentary an investigator calls in and they inadvertently admit that that is what is happening.

Edited April 18, 2016 by G Huxley

[waldo]

In the documentary an investigator calls in and they inadvertently admit that that is what is happening.

s'il vous plait... the time this appears within your referenced documentary?

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[bjre]

in fact. China is,.... It is a vastly corrupt land.

The difference of the corruption between China and Canada is, in Canada, corruption is legal:

Over the last few years, seven renewable energy companies donated $255,000 to the Liberal Party, and in the latest round of renewable procurements all seven of those companies were awarded contracts from the Ministry of Energy. These contracts occurred despite the Auditor General confirming that the province is overproducing electricity and selling it at a loss.

-- http://www.ontariopc.com/News/Details/Ministry-of-Energy-Handing-Out-Renewable-Contracts-to-Donor-Companies

[G Huxley]

s'il vous plait... the time this appears within your referenced documentary?

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Approximately the middle of the doc.

[G Huxley]

The difference of the corruption between China and Canada is, in Canada, corruption is legal:

Over the last few years, seven renewable energy companies donated $255,000 to the Liberal Party, and in the latest round of renewable procurements all seven of those companies were awarded contracts from the Ministry of Energy. These contracts occurred despite the Auditor General confirming that the province is overproducing electricity and selling it at a loss.

-- http://www.ontariopc.com/News/Details/Ministry-of-Energy-Handing-Out-Renewable-Contracts-to-Donor-Companies

Chump change compared to the corruption in China. Also a red herring and distraction from this topic.

The illegal organ harvesting trade is thought to be around 2 billion dollars worth per annum.

Edited April 20, 2016 by G Huxley

[waldo]

Approximately the middle of the doc.

are you referencing the trailer... or the full documentary film? Is there a link to a free copy of the full documentary?

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[G Huxley]

To the full documentary film. I saw the documentary on the Documentary channel. Unfortunately I don't know where to find it for free online.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wiki says: The Documentary Channel was an American digital cable and satellite television network....shut down in 2013 to become Pivot.

What was the name of the documentary ?

[waldo]

To the full documentary film. I saw the documentary on the Documentary channel. Unfortunately I don't know where to find it for free online.

thanks - how odd that our resident 'CBC expert' never heard of the people's network documentary channel - (you can get in Regina too)... or that he couldn't make "the leap" to recognize the name of the documentary is the title of this thread ... looks like it was first scheduled last fall... Human Harvest: China's Illegal Organ Trade

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[bjre]

thanks - how odd that our resident 'CBC expert' never heard of the people's network documentary channel - (you can get in Regina too)... or that he couldn't make "the leap" to recognize the name of the documentary is the title of this thread ... looks like it was first scheduled last fall... Human Harvest: China's Illegal Organ Trade

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Why it need to pay to watch, fear of too many people watch it and identify the lies inside it?

[bjre]

The United States said Iraq has WMD, after that no one found it.

However, every one knows the United States has WMD.

And many people also know the US had provide Iraq Chemical weapons.

When a debate looser can not make an valid argument, he/she tried to use personal attack, but that is not helpful to his conclusion.

[G Huxley]

Interesting article: "These harsh acts are the offshoot of an ongoing attempt by Beijing to control the global conversation about China. Thousands of hackers backed by the Chinese government troll overseas websites and attack articles critical of Beijing. The Chinese government has invested in radio stations and newspapers in Western countries."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/opinion/targeting-beyond-china.html?_r=0