WestCoastRunner Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 I do not think we should be taking huge masses of people from war zones. I'm okay with taking individual refugees fleeing political or religious persecution, people being specifically targeted by their government, for example. I don't see how us taking a tiny percentage of the Syrians (or Afghans or Yemenis, or whatever) fleeing their war really helps the world, much. We could help more by helping the nearby countries deal with the millions of refugees there.. Around and around we go. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
taxme Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Posted May 17, 2016 If I had my way, immigration would end for at least ten years. A few exceptions, maybe. We have enough legal and illegal refugees flooding this country every year who no doubt will be taking away some if not most jobs that could be given too Canadians that are unemployed. Canada comes first, not the rest of the world. Everyone has a right to be stupid. Politicians just abuse it.
G Huxley Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 "Canada comes first, not the rest of the world."Wow have you informed Ottawa of this? They think they are the world's immigration service for votes.
jacee Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 I do not think we should be taking huge masses of people from war zones. Well no, I mean why would they ever want to leave a war zone! /sarcasm I'm okay with taking individual refugees fleeing political or religious persecution, people being specifically targeted by their government, for example. I don't see how us taking a tiny percentage of the Syrians (or Afghans or Yemenis, or whatever) fleeing their war really helps the world, much. We could help more by helping the nearby countries deal with the millions of refugees there. Well yes, I mean why would they ever want to leave overcrowded refugee camps with no educational facilities for kids, no jobs, little food, no jobs, little health care, no jobs, no futures ... NO JOBS! I think they're coming here to work and support their families, and so their kids can go to school ... have a future. Makes sense to me. .
G Huxley Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 And destroy the local environment in the process.
DogOnPorch Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Well no, I mean why would they ever want to leave a war zone! /sarcasm Well yes, I mean why would they ever want to leave overcrowded refugee camps with no educational facilities for kids, no jobs, little food, no jobs, little health care, no jobs, no futures ... NO JOBS! I think they're coming here to work and support their families, and so their kids can go to school ... have a future. Makes sense to me. . Abandoning their dysfunctional home country...they would never abandon Canada, though. Nor make it dysfunctional and corrupt like back in the old country. No sir... Edited May 17, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 Well no, I mean why would they ever want to leave a war zone! I didn't say they wouldn't want to come here. I said we had no business taking them. If we can only take a fraction of the refugees what is the point? Better to help fund the great mass of them there than cherry pick a few to bring across - at huge cost - just so progressives can feel smug and noble. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) I didn't say they wouldn't want to come here. I said we had no business taking them. If we can only take a fraction of the refugees what is the point? Better to help fund the great mass of them there than cherry pick a few to bring across - at huge cost - just so progressives can feel smug and noble. It's 25,000 fewer scrambling for food scraps in refugee camps, and more in the future.Once established with jobs, they will be sending money back to help others. It multiplies. Refugee camps are never a permanent solution, just a stopgap to try to minimize the dying. The permanent solution is homes and jobs, and that just can't happen in overcrowded refugee camps. . Edited May 17, 2016 by jacee
Argus Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 It's 25,000 fewer scrambling for food scraps in refugee camps, and more in the future. That is considerably less than 1%. Once established with jobs, they will be sending money back to help others. It multiplies. Most of them are not going to get jobs any time soon. Few speak English (or French) and few have any compatible job skills. When they eventually get jobs they will be low skilled, so most of these individuals will need taxpayer support for them and their families for the rest of their lives. Which means we will be paying a great deal of money to support these people in Canada, instead of helping ten times more over there with the same money. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 It's 25,000 fewer scrambling for food scraps in refugee camps, and more in the future. Once established with jobs, they will be sending money back to help others. It multiplies. Refugee camps are never a permanent solution, just a stopgap to try to minimize the dying. The permanent solution is homes and jobs, and that just can't happen in overcrowded refugee camps. . Then get on the horn to Saudi Arabia because this is their problem. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
G Huxley Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 It's 25,000 fewer scrambling for food scraps in refugee camps, and more in the future. Once established with jobs, they will be sending money back to help others. It multiplies. Refugee camps are never a permanent solution, just a stopgap to try to minimize the dying. The permanent solution is homes and jobs, and that just can't happen in overcrowded refugee camps. . It multiplies indeed. They never stop multiplying. That is the problem.
G Huxley Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Then get on the horn to Saudi Arabia because this is their problem. No kidding. Why doesn't the Middle East take them in? Oh I know, because the Middle East wants to dump them on the west and have Islam overrun it. The refugees are in fact a weapon of war against the West and they are being used as such. It plays right in to the west's incipidness and Christian sense of morality. Christian morality destroyed the Roman Empire and it is destroying the west. Edited May 17, 2016 by G Huxley
Guest Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 Other posters have quoted numbers of refugees taken in by Middle Eastern countries. Apparently many do go to those countries.
Guest Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 Oh, I don't know the specifics. I do remember the post though. Many countries involved. That doesn't change our numbers, or concerns, of course.
G Huxley Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Well I'm thinking a very low number for Saudi Arabia, so we better not sell them those weapons Ottawa was planning to. This country is seriously sick. Edited May 17, 2016 by G Huxley
DogOnPorch Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 How many by Saudi Arabia? Zero. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
G Huxley Posted May 17, 2016 Report Posted May 17, 2016 When it comes to immigration the Saudis have more sense than Canada.
jacee Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 It multiplies indeed. They never stop multiplying. That is the problem.I certainly never meant anything so ignorant.Each refugee who can get work here may help others who are still in refugee camps, so bringing refugees to Canada is helpful to the overall problem beyond their actual numbers. .
DogOnPorch Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) I certainly never meant anything so ignorant. Each refugee who can get work here may help others who are still in refugee camps, so bringing refugees to Canada is helpful to the overall problem beyond their actual numbers. . Birth control is forbidden. Quran 30:30....look 'er up. Edited May 18, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 Why doesn't the Middle East take them in? http://www.migrationpolicycentre.eu/migrant-crisis/focus-on-syrians/ Turkey 1.6m Lebanon .9m Jordan .6m Iraq .2m Egypt .1m .
DogOnPorch Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 http://www.migrationpolicycentre.eu/migrant-crisis/focus-on-syrians/ Turkey 1.6m Lebanon .9m Jordan .6m Iraq .2m Egypt .1m . Well, it's no problem for Canada to build some big camps on Baffin Island and toss a few scraps, as you say, to them as those countries do. Shall we do that? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
G Huxley Posted May 18, 2016 Report Posted May 18, 2016 I certainly never meant anything so ignorant. Each refugee who can get work here may help others who are still in refugee camps, so bringing refugees to Canada is helpful to the overall problem beyond their actual numbers. . Again its all about money. When the real issue at hand is the environment.
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