Nevada 2016 Caucus

[bush_cheney2004]

Looks like the Clinton campaign has lost all its advantage in Nevada to Sanders while drawing rebuke from Nevada's senior senator Harry Reid. Will Hillary carry Nevada as expected, or is the damage already done.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-hillary-nevada-blowback-219295

Dem's caucus: Saturday, 2/20

GOP's caucus: Tuesday, 2/23

[August1991]

The polls in Nevada and SC are old (2015) or sporadic - but there seems to be a general trend: Hillary down, Sanders up.

I am reminded of 2008 when I reckoned (wrongly) that she had a lock on the nomination.

Is Sanders the new Obama? Or, is Hillary Clinton unelectable outside NY State?

[bush_cheney2004]

In Nevada, Sanders is now betting with "house money", given to him by Clinton's stumbling to date.

[cybercoma]

The polls in Nevada and SC are old (2015) or sporadic - but there seems to be a general trend: Hillary down, Sanders up.I am reminded of 2008 when I reckoned (wrongly) that she had a lock on the nomination.Is Sanders the new Obama? Or, is Hillary Clinton unelectable outside NY State?

Sanders is indeed like Obama in the sense that he inspires people who wouldn't otherwise to get out and vote for him. That's the real danger Clinton fears. Sanders is a call to action and she's more likely to benefit from apathy.

[kimmy]

Hillary comes away with a closer-than expected 52.5% to 47.5% victory in Nevada.

Clinton can't be very happy with a narrow win in a state that was supposed to be a landslide for her, but at the same time this must also be very disappointing for Bernie supporters who believed they were in a tie just a couple of days ago and might win.

Clinton's supporters apparently blitzed Nevada in the past few days to promote her as being the candidate that Latino voters could trust.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

Donald Trump easily wins the Nevada GOP caucus....Rubio may eke out a 2nd place finish.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/nevada-gop-caucus-2016-219685

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_2016_ELECTION_RDP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-24-00-06-33

[Rue]

Clinton clearly is not liked by her own Democrats. Bernie Saunders is a symptom of one plain fact, she's just not folksy. She's not a people person. Whether you are FDR or Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Lennedy, LBJ. Ike, Reagan, Bush Jr., Clinton, Carter, Ford, you have to be folsky to be Prez. There are exceptions of course. Nixon was like electing an enema. He came across like a colonoscopy in person and on t.v. No one would want to touch his hands. Bush Sr. was not a people person but he was folsky in speech, he mimmicked John Wayne's voice to stifle his own Yale elite accent. Americans like folk charm. Its entrenched in their rugged individuality concept. Davey Crockett, Daniel Boone, Lincoln, the drunk Ulysses S. Grant, they went for good old boys mostly. I mean now and then they would elect a big fat Taft kind of guy or an academic elitist like Wilson, but most times a guy you have to see with a blade of wild grass in his mouth and sitting on a front porch with a blood hound.

Trump is the latest version of Hee Haw in politics. He's right out of the t.v. show Hee Haw which ran for years and no expert on t.v. entertainment could understand why. All the experts said Hee Haw would last maybe 6 episodes.

Well Trump studied Hee Haw, The Beverley Hillbillies, Gunsmoke, the old Hawaii 50 and even Ed Sullivan and morphed all its characters into Donald Trump. Throw in a little Fred Flintsone, Mussolini and Jimmy Swaggart and you have Trump.

He's an accumulation of American personnas that Americans want, ego, arrogance, confidence, brashness, individuality. Trump is a salesman. He sells enema bags to a very constipated nation.

He's in the right place at the right time with the appropriate product.

Obama put the US on this diet of pablum. It caused them to shrivel up and bloat. Donald's now handing out colonic irrigations and of course people respond. There was no roughage in the diet Obama provided.

You can only feed Americans toothless pablum so long.

No Trump would not be running if the Republican Party had taken stock of what transpired in the last two elections. They did not.

Now I ask who would Americans choose today, Romney, Trump or Clinton? I say Romney but that's not the choice.

Republicans have no strong leader and so it's enabled a Trump to come out of nowhere and make a mockery of its party.

Bush? It was sad to see him stumble and bumble, a fish out of water....but hey now he's just like his Pa and his Pa had the exact same problem with Reagan and so settled for VP. It would not surprise me if Trump crazy as he is picked him for VP in a bold move to heal with the rest of the party.

Edited February 24, 2016 by Rue

[bush_cheney2004]

Trump has more actual votes than did Romney at this point in the primary election cycle, even when winning with a lower percentage of the cast votes.

Trump has momentum, history, voters, and money. So does he dial the rhetoric back a notch and coast to victory or keep the pedal to the metal ?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-has-won-more-votes-than-romney-had-at-this-point-in-2012/article/2001230

Edited February 24, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[August1991]

Clinton clearly is not liked by her own Democrats. Bernie Saunders is a symptom of one plain fact, she's just not folksy.

That's what I call the "Argus Criteria". Argus: Americans always go for the folksy candidate. (Since reading Argus' posts, I realized that Obama says the word "folks" in almost every sentence referring to Americans.)

Agreed. Rodham Clinton does not appeal to "folks" and she fails the Argus Criteria.

[August1991]

Well Trump studied Hee Haw, The Beverley Hillbillies, Gunsmoke, the old Hawaii 50 and even Ed Sullivan and morphed all its characters into Donald Trump. Throw in a little Fred Flintsone, Mussolini and Jimmy Swaggart and you have Trump.

He's an accumulation of American personnas that Americans want, ego, arrogance, confidence, brashness, individuality. Trump is a salesman. He sells enema bags to a very constipated nation.

He's in the right place at the right time with the appropriate product.

Trump, "Hee Haw"? Rue, on this, like many foreigners and metrosexual/coastal Americans, you are dead wrong. Trump is no "Hee Haw".

I agree however that Trump's in the right place at the right time.

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I'm going to take Trump the Candidate (not Trump the Businessman) at face value. Donald Trump, candidate, wants to make America great again. And I can understand why many, many Americans want him to succeed.

Despite what Obama seems to say and do, and what many American Leftists think, Americans have created a good society.

As a foreigner, here's my perspective: When America succeeds, the world succeeds.

Edited February 27, 2016 by August1991

[Topaz]

What I'm reading on the net, if it comes down to Trump vs Clinton.....u can't seen nothing yet and Trump is holding all the cards ..... Clinton and the Bush family are going to be living else where.....IF Trump is still breathing.

[cybercoma]

August, metrosexual Americans? Really?

[August1991]

August, metrosexual Americans? Really?

Really.

“Despite what you hear, we don’t need to make America great again,” Mrs. Clinton said to raucous applause as she took aim at Mr. Trump’s slogan. “America has never stopped being great.”

NYT

She loses because she's on his turf.

Edited February 29, 2016 by August1991

[kimmy]

August, metrosexual Americans? Really?

I think August seeks to draw a distinction between the liberal voters of the West Coast and the Northeast, as opposed to the voters in "folksy" states where Trump will clobber Clinton.

There's definitely a divide of some sort, but I don't think that "metrosexual" vs "folksy" quite grasps the nature of it. Last election I recall some people presenting maps of where the strongest liberal support is vs where the strongest conservative support is, and concluding "we're still fighting the Civil War!"

-k

[August1991]

I think August seeks to draw a distinction between the liberal voters of the West Coast and the Northeast, as opposed to the voters in "folksy" states where Trump will clobber Clinton.

There's definitely a divide of some sort, but I don't think that "metrosexual" vs "folksy" quite grasps the nature of it. Last election I recall some people presenting maps of where the strongest liberal support is vs where the strongest conservative support is, and concluding "we're still fighting the Civil War!"

-k

I have a suspicion that Hillary Rodham won't be using that line about "America always great" much more in the future.

But as I always note now, what do I know about US politics. I thought Scott Walker was good, I preferred Christie and I think Trump is a buffoon. I'm a foreigner and so, my posts are the same as that guy in the bar in Trenton that I saw shouting at the screen.

You gotta love America. They believe.

Edited February 29, 2016 by August1991