WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I really don't understand why the principal of encouraging people from different backgrounds to be neighbors is not something you believe in.I don't have a problem with that, not at all, but people will live where they feel most comfortable. For example, the west end is predominantly a gay community and is the go to neighbourhood for newly arrived gay residents to Vancouver. Do you have a problem with the west end becoming a mostly gay community? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Classic lefty smear. When you can't address the arguments you attack the person. Living in Richmond does give a perspective that others do not have but that does not make my arguments in invalid. As I said: I really don't understand why the principal of encouraging people from different backgrounds to be neighbors is not something you believe in. No smear here. Just stating the obvious. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Do you think it's the natural bonding thing? Yes. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Argus, you apparently don't like ethnic enclaves and yet there is nothing more certain to keep us is in our enclaves than the things you prescribe and preach. You're really sure this is the way forward? Really? How about you tell me what I "prescribe and preach" which is likely to lead to ethnic enclaves. Perhaps I can learn and reform my opinions. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
TimG Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) No smear here. Just stating the obvious.No - you are avoiding the arguments I am making and throwing insults with innuendo. In your effort to smear me did you ever consider that my family might not be white or English speaking? Edited December 28, 2015 by TimG Quote
Guest Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Yes. It's not really hidden then, is it? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Really? How about you tell me what I "prescribe and preach" which is likely to lead to ethnic enclaves. Perhaps I can learn and reform my opinions. Perhaps your insistence that immigrants/refugees don't like to work, live off welfare, folks you don't normally engage with. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 No - you are avoiding the arguments I am making and throwing insults with innuendo. In your effort to smear me did you ever consider that my family might not be white or English speaking? You can't handle criticism is my guess. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 It's not really hidden then, is it?Can you say what you mean. I can't read between the lines. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 You can't handle criticism is my guess.You still have not addressed my point: As I said: I really don't understand why the principal of encouraging people from different backgrounds to be neighbors is not something you believe in. Why don't you explain why encouraging people to live in ghettos is consistent with your vision of Canada instead of throwing insults. Quote
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I live in the Province of Quebec and think Bill 101 goes too far by infringing on the linguistic freedom of the private sector. If a business wants to advertise only in Klingon, it should be free to do so. Suppose you were born in Richmond, grew up there, spent your whole life there. This is your home. There were no Chinese when you grew up, but over the last thirty years they began to arrive in droves. They bought up businesses, opened stores, and refused to communicate in English. Now every store's advertising and brochures are in Mandarin. The clerks only speak Mandarin. Why, even the condo board at your condominium only speaks Mandarin. What was your home for your entire life is now a foreign country to you, and you are not welcome in it. Do you believe this is fair? Do you think government should try to avoid that happening? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 You still have not addressed my point: As I said: I really don't understand why the principal of encouraging people from different backgrounds to be neighbors is not something you believe in. Why don't you explain why encouraging people to live in ghettos is consistent with your vision of Canada instead of throwing insults. I don't have a problem with that. However, it doesn't matter to me where people choose to live. I have no intentions of telling people where they should live. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) I don't have a problem with that. However, it doesn't matter to me where people choose to live. I have no intentions of telling people where they should live.So you have no problems with a condo saying that no black owners are allowed on strata councils? Edited December 28, 2015 by TimG Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Suppose you were born in Richmond, grew up there, spent your whole life there. This is your home. There were no Chinese when you grew up, but over the last thirty years they began to arrive in droves. They bought up businesses, opened stores, and refused to communicate in English. Now every store's advertising and brochures are in Mandarin. The clerks only speak Mandarin. Why, even the condo board at your condominium only speaks Mandarin. What was your home for your entire life is now a foreign country to you, and you are not welcome in it. Do you believe this is fair? Do you think government should try to avoid that happening? I knew it wasn't long before you weighed in on this, except you don't live here! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Can you say what you mean. I can't read between the lines. Well, you said this: You are in denial if you think neighbourhoods won't be created because of their natural bonding And then this: Living as a white guy in Richmond, I think you have more of a hidden agenda here. It sounds like, and correct me if I am wrong here, that you are excusing certain races from wanting to be a part of a neighbourhood as a result of "natural bonding", but not others. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Well, you said this: And then this: It sounds like, and correct me if I am wrong here, that you are excusing certain races from wanting to be a part of a neighbourhood as a result of "natural bonding", but not others. I don't get the 'not others'. And my iPhone is about to die. Chat later. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 So you have no problems with a condo saying that no black owners are allowed on strata councils? For crying out loud! I told you I agree that English translation services should be in place. Don't twist this around. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I knew it wasn't long before you weighed in on this, except you don't live here! Am I expected to stay out of topics which involve BC? Will you similarly stay out of topics involving the rest of the country? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 Am I expected to stay out of topics which involve BC? Will you similarly stay out of topics involving the rest of the country? I rarely comment on Ontario topics even though I grew up there. My point is, you have no reference point to Richmond, BC. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) For crying out loud! I told you I agree that English translation services should be in place. Don't twist this around.Then why are we debating? My argument is that translation services are required because clearly a large number of the owners are not comfortable in English. You are the one defending the councils refusal to provide translation services. Edited December 28, 2015 by TimG Quote
Guest Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) I don't get the 'not others'. And my iPhone is about to die. Chat later. It sounded like you were implying a poster wanted Richmond to be a certain way. White, to be specific. I was wondering why you didn't afford white folks the same leeway you might afford others, given the first quote of yours I posted. Edited December 28, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Argus Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 I rarely comment on Ontario topics even though I grew up there. My point is, you have no reference point to Richmond, BC. Your point is irrelevant. This is not something which affects only Richmond or only BC. It is a situation caused by our national immigration system, and the question of how to address ethnic enclaves and the reason why having them is not desirable are also national issues. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Your point is irrelevant. This is not something which affects only Richmond or only BC. It is a situation caused by our national immigration system, and the question of how to address ethnic enclaves and the reason why having them is not desirable are also national issues.I have seen no valid reason to not have them.Seriously? National issues. Edited December 28, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 . You are the one defending the councils refusal to provide translation services. You haven't been paying attention to my posts. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 28, 2015 Report Posted December 28, 2015 It sounded like you were implying a poster wanted Richmond to be a certain way. White, to be specific. I was wondering why you didn't afford white folks the same leeway you might afford others, given the first quote of yours I posted. I don't care where people live and I don't believe anyone should dictate where people live. I haven't seen a response on my gay west end community living. Should this demographic be discouraged? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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