Alberta's climate change policy announced.

[ironstone]

your links don't provide anything to support your statements... notwithstanding their opinion slant, lack of specifics and who they're written by (Lorne Gunter - really!).

add hydro, geothermal and biomass to what you presume... ATCO considering large hydro project in Alberta

many past MLW threads have dealt with "the variability myth". This document from the U.S. National Renewable Laboratory captures that myth quite well -

WIND AND SOLAR ON THE POWER GRID: MYTHS AND MISPERCEPTIONS

equally, if you're familiar with Ted Talks (and Amory Lovins of the (RMI) Rocky Mountain Institute), this video (The storage necessity myth: how to choreograph high-renewables electricity systems), and this article (RMI Blows The Lid Off The “Baseload Power” Myth), also address baseload and mass storage.

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You are partially correct,all I can prove is how bad the Green Energy Program has been for Ontario.

http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/12/02/ontario-consumers-likely-paying-billions-extra-for-hydro-one-decisions-auditor-general.html

[bush_cheney2004]

You are partially correct,all I can prove is how bad the Green Energy Program has been for Ontario.

http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/12/02/ontario-consumers-likely-paying-billions-extra-for-hydro-one-decisions-auditor-general.html

Sorry, but the realities on the ground in Wynne's Ontario will never be more convincing than linked documents from the United States.

[overthere]

Sorry, but the realities on the ground in Wynne's Ontario will never be more convincing than linked documents from the United States.

Listen, we're going to need to buy a few gigawatts of power from time to time on really short notice. Could you leave some of that fictitious base load generating capacity in place for 50 years or so? ]

Thanks

A Green Canada.

[ironstone]

Not according to most publishing peer reviewed climate scientists. They seem to reckon it comes with very measurable benefits. Such as not having your Florida waterfront property becoming swamped for instance.

This is an interesting article by John Robson a while ago.It concerns the fact that CO2 levels were,at times hundreds of millions of years ago,much higher than today's levels with no apparent effect on temperature.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/17/trapped-in-the-vortex-of-climate-chaos

[On Guard for Thee]

This is an interesting article by John Robson a while ago.It concerns the fact that CO2 levels were,at times hundreds of millions of years ago,much higher than today's levels with no apparent effect on temperature.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/17/trapped-in-the-vortex-of-climate-chaos

There are certainly more influences on GW than only CO2 content, but there is little doubt of its effect. If you go back to the Miocene epoch you will find temps significantly warmer than now, CO2 levels higher than now, and the sea level about a hundred feet higher than now. If we had a few million years or so to deal with things like plate shift that we can't really do much about we could adapt. If we drive the sea level back up a hundred feet over a couple of centuries with GHG emissions, we may have a bit more trouble adapting.

[overthere]

Notley has sort of revealed some more strategy, by having energy discussions with Sillinger in Manitoba. Part of the discussion was interlocking the electricity grids better, so AB can buy hydro from Manitoba. AB has already had talks with BC. So, looks like the 'switch' to non renewables for AB will mean AB industry will be dependent on purchases from state owned enterprises elsewhere. And of course, contrary to what Waldo says, AB consumers will pay every nickel of the cost to shut down any [power plants when those plants are shut down by govt order, all the costs of new construction of new capacity if any kind, and any ongoing premiums required for expensive renewables. Oh, and taxpayers will foot the bill for rebates for energy too. It does get annoying when you hear this BS, folks just don't seem to mind when a govt bribes them with their own money.

And apparently Sillinger/Notley did not discuss support for Energy East. Curious. But not really. Slowly but surely the curtain gets pulled back on the AB NDP agenda.

[waldo]

And of course, contrary to what Waldo says, AB consumers will pay every nickel of the cost to shut down any [power plants when those plants are shut down by govt order, all the costs of new construction of new capacity if any kind, and any ongoing premiums required for expensive renewables. Oh, and taxpayers will foot the bill for rebates for energy too. It does get annoying when you hear this BS, folks just don't seem to mind when a govt bribes them with their own money.

that's a bit of a weasel-play... if you're going to go to the trouble of making a reference to me... in the oft chance I might actually see your post, you could take the effort to actually quote me - yes?

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