eyeball Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Edit: Your not necessarily answer might be okay but needs context. I question the legitimacy of any authority that appears to be enriching or empowering it's supporters to the exclusion of everyone else. Wouldn't you? Edited November 22, 2015 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 I question the legitimacy of any authority that appears to be enriching or empowering it's supporters to the exclusion of everyone else. Wouldn't you? I guess so... I don't understand how that can result in one not being able to oppose the monarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 I don't know why I'd bother if it was truly egalitarian and derived it's support thusly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Any problem with the following: Left wing beliefs are usually progressive in nature, they look to the future, aim to support those who cannot support themselves, are idealist and believe in equality. People who are left wing believe in taxation to redistribute opportunity and wealth - things like a national health service, and job seeker’s allowance are fundamentally left wing ideas. They believe in equality over the freedom to fail. Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, survival of the fittest, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldn’t be regulated, and that we should all look after ourselves. Right wing people tend believe they shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed over equality. Any additions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Left wing beliefs are ... Right wing beliefs value tradition... People with left wing views cannot tolerate or manage economic risk. Whenever possible they want government to shield them from the consequences of their own economic choices and to prevent others from making choices which they perceive as risky. People with right wing views cannot tolerate or manage social risk. Whenever possible they want government to shield them from the consequences of social change and to prevent others from making choices which they perceive as risky. Edited November 22, 2015 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Any problem with the following: Left wing beliefs are usually progressive in nature, they look to the future, aim to support those who cannot support themselves, are idealist and believe in equality. People who are left wing believe in taxation to redistribute opportunity and wealth - things like a national health service, and job seeker’s allowance are fundamentally left wing ideas. They believe in equality over the freedom to fail. Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, survival of the fittest, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldn’t be regulated, and that we should all look after ourselves. Right wing people tend believe they shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed over equality. Any additions? I reject your definitions. What is left or right often depends on context, and people will often change definitions to whatever is convenient for them at any given time. In many cases, the usage of words such as 'liberal' or 'progressive' is Orwellian. Edit: Example: in Sweden it is the 'evil far-right nazi party' that supports gay pride parades, even in muslim areas. Edited November 23, 2015 by -1=e^ipi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I reject your definitions. What is left or right often depends on context, .. How can posters then insult each other by calling others lefties and righties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notca Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think left wing is socialist, idealogical. They believe government should look after people, that all people should be treated equally, those who are irresponsible, lazy, dishonest and possess a criminal mentality should be protected from any consequences of their behaviors, that the wealthy should share with and provide for the poor. Right wing believes in individual responsibility, law and order, less dependency on government, family values and free enterprise. The truth is that both right and left seem to lean too much to far. Try rowing a boat with only one paddle, it will go in circles. Take one wing off a bird or an aircraft and it will crash. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Any problem with the following: Left wing beliefs are usually progressive in nature, they look to the future, aim to support those who cannot support themselves, are idealist and believe in equality. People who are left wing believe in taxation to redistribute opportunity and wealth - things like a national health service, and job seekers allowance are fundamentally left wing ideas. They believe in equality over the freedom to fail. Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, survival of the fittest, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldnt be regulated, and that we should all look after ourselves. Right wing people tend believe they shouldnt have to pay for someone elses education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed over equality. Any additions? Jesus was clearly a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 How can posters then insult each other by calling others lefties and righties? Because meaning depends on context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) First. Moderators: Please move this thread to the Political Philosophy category. Any problem with the following: Left wing beliefs are usually progressive in nature, they look to the future, aim to support those who cannot support themselves, are idealist and believe in equality. People who are left wing believe in taxation to redistribute opportunity and wealth - things like a national health service, and job seeker’s allowance are fundamentally left wing ideas. They believe in equality over the freedom to fail. Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, survival of the fittest, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldn’t be regulated, and that we should all look after ourselves. Right wing people tend believe they shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed over equality. Any additions? I have no problem with your "Left wing" definition although I would add a few more: such as, Leftists are social engineers and want to change society. They believe in the perfectibilty of humans. (For Leftists, it's all about power and control.... ) As to your definition of "Right Wing", I have serious disagreements. The Right Wing believes in "equity"? (Big Guy, do you know what "equity" means? "Survival of the fittest"? (So, you presumably believe that Adam Smith is the same as Charles Darwin.... ) In all honesty, I stopped when you described the Right Wing as "Survival of the fittest". ====== Weird. I suspect that many Leftists believe in Darwin yet they work in society to oppose their mistaken understanding of Darwin. Yet, Adam Smith had already explained that Darwin's humans were smarter than Pavlov's dogs. A puppy fawns upon its dam, and a spaniel endeavours by a thousand attractions to engage the attention of its master who is at dinner, when it wants to be fed by him. Man sometimes uses the same arts with his brethren, and when he has no other means of engaging them to act according to his inclinations, endeavours by every servile and fawning attention to obtain their good will. He has not time, however, to do this upon every occasion. In civilised society he stands at all times in need of the cooperation and assistance of great multitudes, while his whole life is scarce sufficient to gain the friendship of a few persons. In almost every other race of animals each individual, when it is grown up to maturity, is entirely independent, and in its natural state has occasion for the assistance of no other living creature. But man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and show them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of those good offices which we stand in need of. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages. Nobody but a beggar chooses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. Even a beggar does not depend upon it entirely. The charity of well-disposed people, indeed, supplies him with the whole fund of his subsistence. In a good world, there are good marriages. I help you and you help me. We co-operate. There is no fawning. Edited November 23, 2015 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 ... In all honesty, I stopped when you described the Right Wing as "Survival of the fittest". ====== .... I am not taking a stand of good, bad or otherwise. Posters here are throwing around these terms as an insult. I was hoping to end up with a consensus of the philosophical characteristics of each "group" so we are all giving opinions based on the same definition. If you disagree with what has been submitted then please share your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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