Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Regarding the OP - one of the few things that a leader of a country can do is to give people hope and try to make them feel good about themselves. The great leaders in American and Britain were able to do that to their countries in time of tragedy. I think Trudeau is capable of doing that. I watched the staged performance to-day that actually looked spontaneous but it still made me proud to be a Canadian and seemed to have the same effect on everybody else who was there and who commented on it. Well done Justin, it looks like you were ready. Like Drummindiver, I hope you are right. As someone who voted for the other side, it would be easy to hope he fails, but that would be biting off my nose, etc. He's got about ten years too, I suppose. He might as well make them good ones. Edited November 5, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 It's not clear to me tat anyone involved is on that side. Oh, there's loads. Isis, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, The Taliban, (Afghan and Pakistani) Al Shabaab. Hell, we could be fighting for years and not kill them all. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Oh, there's loads. Isis, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, The Taliban, (Afghan and Pakistani) Al Shabaab. Hell, we could be fighting for years and not kill them all. I'm not clear that anyone (other than us in the west) involved there is against the things that those groups stand for. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) I don't know of any government that will let Bombardier fail, either. The same could have been said about the Canadian auto industry, yet we did that. The Canadian auto industry and Bombardier are apple and oranges, as the auto industry has been profitable more then it's not. Bombardier (and Canadair) have relied upon handouts since the 60s..... We're probably not going to get the F-35. We're probably going to get something else - probably the Super Hornet or the Rafale based on price, industrial offsets, and a whole host of factors that favour them. Off course, according to you, we still have PM Harper commanding a solid majority. We'll leave the futurecast to the future this time, I think. I'd be very surprised, if after talking to DND and the Americans, the Government selects anything inside this mandate. I'm not posting on this particular point any further, as to prevent thread drift. Why is a speaking to the new Government's policies, on a thread on policies, thread drift? Edited November 5, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Bombardier (and Canadair) have relied upon handouts since the 60s..... No government has changed that police up until this time. I doubt that will change, no matter who happens to be in charge. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 No government has changed that police up until this time. I doubt that will change, no matter who happens to be in charge. When was the last time Bombardier received "loans" expected to be in the Billions from the GoC? Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 When was the last time Bombardier received "loans" expected to be in the Billions from the GoC? When was the last time that they needed them? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 When was the last time that they needed them? You're the one stating the GoC has continually propped up Bombardier......I'll ask again, when was the last time the GoC has given Bombardier such sizable loans? Quote
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 I'm not clear that anyone (other than us in the west) involved there is against the things that those groups stand for. Yeah, you could be right, up to a point. It's hard to separate the radical from the moderate. I guess it runs on a sliding scale. I still think we have to be there, though. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 You're the one stating the GoC has continually propped up Bombardier......I'll ask again, when was the last time the GoC has given Bombardier such sizable loans? The last time that they needed them, which is exactly my point. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Yeah, you could be right, up to a point. It's hard to separate the radical from the moderate. I guess it runs on a sliding scale. I still think we have to be there, though. With recent information of collateral damage, and given the ever changing situation on the ground in terms of who we're supposed to fight and not, I'm not sure we should be there at all. Quote
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 With recent information of collateral damage, and given the ever changing situation on the ground in terms of who we're supposed to fight and not, I'm not sure we should be there at all. I don't think the collateral damage numbers can be properly accounted for. One has no idea how many would die if we didn't kill the targets we aim at. As for the situation, like I said earlier, we have to rely on the intelligence. I know that's not normally the optimal situation, but it has to be better than just ignoring them. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Regarding the OP - one of the few things that a leader of a country can do is to give people hope and try to make them feel good about themselves. The great leaders in American and Britain were able to do that to their countries in time of tragedy. I think Trudeau is capable of doing that. I watched the staged performance to-day that actually looked spontaneous but it still made me proud to be a Canadian and seemed to have the same effect on everybody else who was there and who commented on it. Well done Justin, it looks like you were ready. The Op was pretty vague. It asked about Trudeau's future moves. So discussing policies etc is not thread drift as you seem to be insinuating. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 The last time that they needed them, which is exactly my point. No, you suggested that it was a continual policy of all Governments. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 No, you suggested that it was a continual policy of all Governments. If bombardier had needed a bailout last year, they would have gotten in. Nothing about the way the Conservatives governed said otherwise. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 If bombardier had needed a bailout last year, they would have gotten in. Nothing about the way the Conservatives governed said otherwise. They've needed a bailout for years.........no bailouts by the Tories to the expected tune of billions. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Oh, there's loads. Isis, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, The Taliban, (Afghan and Pakistani) Al Shabaab. Hell, we could be fighting for years and not kill them all. Exactly.......there are currently two Canadians being held hostage by an Islamic group in the Philippines.......two Canadians on Youtube, sans heads, could end Trudeau's honeymoon very quickly.... Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 They've needed a bailout for years.........no bailouts by the Tories to the expected tune of billions. The flaw in that logic being that the Quebec government just gave them a bailout. If they had needed it before, they would have gotten it from them before. Trudeau will do just as Harper would have here. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 Exactly.......there are currently two Canadians being held hostage by an Islamic group in the Philippines We'd better keep dropping bombs in Iraq if we hope to bring them home then. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 The flaw in that logic being that the Quebec government just gave them a bailout. If they had needed it before, they would have gotten it from them before. Trudeau will do just as Harper would have here. They only flaw here is your understanding.......Bombardier has been a financial basketcase for decades, the CSeries has compounded the problem for years, and no bailout now or years ago, will change that. Since they can no longer raise capital from private lenders, likewise no longer issue more shares, since they are near penny stock status, they are sunk......The Quebec Government, or the Federal Government, lending them money is akin giving money to a degenerate gambler that we have no hope (based on past bailouts) of seeing the money fully returned to taxpayers. The Harper Government didn't "invest" in them when they first started coming into cash flow problems from the CSeries several years ago.....so again you are making up baseless claims, nor have you provided any financial adviser that suggests there is any upside to forking taxpayer money over to Bombardier....... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 They only flaw here is your understanding.......Bombardier has been a financial basketcase for decades, the CSeries has compounded the problem for years, and no bailout now or years ago, will change that. Since they can no longer raise capital from private lenders, likewise no longer issue more shares, since they are near penny stock status, they are sunk......The Quebec Government, or the Federal Government, lending them money is akin giving money to a degenerate gambler that we have no hope (based on past bailouts) of seeing the money fully returned to taxpayers. The Harper Government didn't "invest" in them when they first started coming into cash flow problems from the CSeries several years ago.....so again you are making up baseless claims, nor have you provided any financial adviser that suggests there is any upside to forking taxpayer money over to Bombardier....... Hopefully we now have a government who will not make the same mistake withh the F 35 ,which the previous government was about to do, only to many multiple degrees more of waste. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 We'd better keep dropping bombs in Iraq if we hope to bring them home then. You bet, as the very nature of radical Islam is that it's a global threat, and is/will be everybody's problem. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 You bet, as the very nature of radical Islam is that it's a global threat, and is/will be everybody's problem. The problem is that it doesn't follow - we can't protect people in the Philippines by dropping bombs in Iraq. The problem may be global. The reach of our munitions is not. Quote
Smallc Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 The Harper Government didn't "invest" in them when they first started coming into cash flow problems from the CSeries several years ago Uhh, neither did the Quebec government. Circumstances change. Trudeau will probably bail them out. Whatever he does, Harper would have done the same, as Liberals and Conservatives have very little daylight between them fiscally. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 5, 2015 Report Posted November 5, 2015 You bet, as the very nature of radical Islam is that it's a global threat, and is/will be everybody's problem. And so you think we can end radical Islam by dropping bombs. How's that working for us? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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