Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 You said you pay less tax from 44-220k, you do not, you pay less from 44-89k, so no. it's not a decrease to 220, its a decrease on the portion up to 89. A very small decrease, which will be completely offset for many who will pay MUCH more without income splitting. Everything that I said was completely true. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 I see that you don't understand how progressive taxes work. The tax rate for people making $44K-$89K is being decreased from 22% to 20.5%. A new rate is being created at the top end for people making more than $200K per year. They will see the rate on their income over $200K go from 29% to 33%.. It's really something. These people freaking out like the sky is falling, despite the fact that people making over $200k, still see their tax rate dropping for money they earn between $44k-89k. You would think with the way these people are talking that the Liberals are raising taxes by 4 points across the board. Quote
ToadBrother Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 It's really something. These people freaking out like the sky is falling, despite the fact that people making over $200k, still see their tax rate dropping for money they earn between $44k-89k. You would think with the way these people are talking that the Liberals are raising taxes by 4 points across the board. That's because it appears a lot of people don't understand how a progressive tax system works. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 Trudeau has unmuzzled scientists already. Quote
Smallc Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 All ministers are full ministers: The five women were appointed under the Ministries and Ministers of State Act to ensure they have access to the support of existing departments, as new organizations are not being created, officials said Friday. For instance, Hajdu's portfolio, Status of Women, is attached to that of the Canadian Heritage minister and Bibeau's La Francophonie responsibilities are linked to the newly named Global Affairs Canada, formerly Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development. "I understand that they are full ministers," said Foreign Affairs Minister Stephane Dion. "I will have the great pleasure to work with minister Bibeau, and I may tell you she is not junior in my mind one minute." Coming statutory changes will legally cement the ministerial status of those temporarily branded ministers of state and salary adjustments will be retroactive, one official said. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/all-ministers-are-full-cabinet-members-liberals-say-1.2646131 Quote
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 Well, we could start with better airline security in places outside of North America. Egypt, for example. We could start with better aviation security in Canada, where security continues to be handled by minimum wage rent-a-cop agencies with 200% annual turnover rates. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 We are discussing Trudeau's policy to halt the war against ISIS. He has one? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 Which promise do you think that Trudeau will keep tomorrow? The ones which are easy, and which will win plaudits from his base. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 I see that Chrystia Freeland has acknowledge opposition to the TPP and is inviting citizen input on a website! I'm almost giddy to see democracy return to Canada. You realize the deal is already signed and the Liberals aren't going to change a single word, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 I was a supporter of Harper until the beginning of the campaign. I still defend many of his actions. The differences between Trudeau and Harper in this area are striking. Unsurprising. Trudeau has always been about style, rather than substance. Harper has always been about substance, rather than style. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 Trudeau appointed a member of the .01% to devise ways to go after the 1% in order to supposedly bail out the 99%. Trudeau is himself a member of the .01%. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Keep in mind though, they may miss that target by a year with the recent slowdown in the economy. Recent? Ontario's economy has been slowing down for ten years. Despite all the accounting games the Ontario government plays, games which would have long landed a private company in prison, they will not be able to reach a balanced budget in 2017. Or ever. It simply will not happen. Edited November 7, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 I see that you don't understand how progressive taxes work. They work by absolving half the population of any responsibility to pay for the services they receive from the government, right? I think the other term is 'free ride'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) I don't feel I should pay higher personal taxes than necessary to pad your TFSA. If you pay taxes it's to subsidize those who don't, not those who are trying to save. And btw, I am paying higher personal taxes to subsidize your tax break so you can go on holidays. Edited November 7, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 They work by absolving half the population of any responsibility to pay for the services they receive from the government, right? I think the other term is 'free ride'. The Roman Emperors used to dispense bread among the throngs of Rome, because the alternative was riots, rebellion and disorder. Besides, unless you're living on the top of a mountain completely independent of society, you're partaking of the tax-funded services, most of which you could not afford on your own. If we invoked the most extreme form of your world view, you're just as much a leach sipping on the public teat as those you so often show such contempt for. Quote
Wilber Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) I don't feel I should pay higher personal taxes than necessary to pad your TFSA. You do realize TFSA contributions are after tax money? Just like the money you spend on your vacations. So why are you ripping other tax payers off by spending your money on vacations? Who are you to criticize others for using their after tax money to save instead of taking vacations? Edited November 7, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
ToadBrother Posted November 7, 2015 Report Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Unsurprising. Trudeau has always been about style, rather than substance. Harper has always been about substance, rather than style. It's like October the 19th never happened. Harper had no more substance than Trudeau. Harper's pure obsession was simply to achieve and maintain power, to centralize it in his own hands. So little did he even trust his peers and subordinates that not more than a small handful were even allowed to run their departments, or hell, even attend a caucus meeting or committee without Harper imposing his will on them. There was no vision beyond a mindless shrinking of government, unless one considers his now utterly failed attempt to destroy the Liberal Party as a vision. If what we're seeing of Trudeau lasts, then I'll take Trudeau's style over Harper's substance any day of the week, and it appears now that the Tory caucus is rid of him, so will they. Edited November 7, 2015 by ToadBrother Quote
drummindiver Posted November 7, 2015 Author Report Posted November 7, 2015 Harper had no more substance than Trudeau. Harper's pure obsession was simply to achieve and maintain power, to centralize it in his own hands. So little did he even trust his peers and subordinates that not more than a small handful were even allowed to run their departments, or hell, even attend a caucus meeting or committee without Harper imposing his will on them. I find it ironic you think Harper so evil when you (falsely) claim this. Truduea was doing this exact thing before becoming PM. We can only guess at how he will be now. I am glad that Trudeau is keeping his promises. I just don't agree with his policies. Quote
Smallc Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 You do realize TFSA contributions are after tax money? Just like the money you spend on your vacations. So why are you ripping other tax payers off by spending your money on vacations? Who are you to criticize others for using their after tax money to save instead of taking vacations? It's after tax money that then is not subject to any future taxes. It's just a different kind of tax break. Quote
Smallc Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 Unsurprising. Trudeau has always been about style, rather than substance. Harper has always been about substance, rather than style. Trudeau had a platform full of meaningful concrete actions. Harper brought almost nothing to the table this time. Quote
Smallc Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 If you pay taxes it's to subsidize those who don't, not those who are trying to save. And btw, I am paying higher personal taxes to subsidize your tax break so you can go on holidays. I won't get much of a tax break. My parents will, but that's not my rationale for supporting this action. Quote
Smallc Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 Recent? Ontario's economy has been slowing down for ten years. Despite all the accounting games the Ontario government plays, games which would have long landed a private company in prison, they will not be able to reach a balanced budget in 2017. Or ever. It simply will not happen. We'll have to see. If they hold spending growth to 1.4% they will eventually balance the budget. Quote
Smallc Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 They work by absolving half the population of any responsibility to pay for the services they receive from the government, right? I think the other term is 'free ride'. That had absolutely nothing to do with what I was explaining. Quote
Wilber Posted November 8, 2015 Report Posted November 8, 2015 It's after tax money that then is not subject to any future taxes. It's just a different kind of tax break. Neither is what you spend on vacations. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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