Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 And who is that? How do we identify all of them and drop bombs on them? Armed confrontation is often part of a necessary solution, but it cannot be the entirety of the solution. The same ways we've been using since the dawn of airpower. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Partition the place. Let the sunni muslims have their stupid backward state. That is, unfortunately, the only solution (or the beginning of one). Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The same ways we've been using since the dawn of airpower. It's not been overly effective in this case. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 What he had done different for his entire time in power. Assad grew comfortable and stopped being as vigilant as he needed to be. And that would be what? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 It's not been overly effective in this case. Other than to halt the expansion of ISIS and aide Iraqi and Kurdish forces in regaining ground........ Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Other than to halt the expansion of ISIS and aide Iraqi and Kurdish forces in regaining ground........ Oh good, the nutcases that we support are doing better than the ones that we don't...maybe. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 This - Vladimir Putin is just as bad as Assad. I wouldn't be surprised, if it were a bomb, that he had it planted there. Well, Putin is ex-KGB so yeah. But let's be honest with ourselves. When it comes to international politics, there are no good guys. When I first heard the suggestions that it was a bomb, my first thought was how odd it was that the US and the UK were announcing this just a couple days after the event. If it had occurred in the US or the UK, the same authorities would be saying they have to complete the investigation before drawing any conclusions. So, I would say that there are definitely politics behind those pronouncements. My next thought was how can they be certain it was a bomb - do they know who put it there? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
dre Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Why is it conceivable and what could/would Saddam have done different than Assad? Well... the baathists built a community level network, and stopped all political movements at the grass roots level. If you even opened your mouth you get exiled to Iran or worse. The Assad regime allowed a fairly formidable opposition to develop over a period of more than a decade. Also... Saddam was removed by the "Axis of oops". The west bumbled their way in there and created the power vacuum that allowed ISIL to form. Not smart. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 My next thought was how can they be certain it was a bomb - do they know who put it there? In fairness, I think the preliminary findings point that. There has also, apparently, been chatter to this effect. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Oh good, the nutcases that we support are doing better than the ones that we don't...maybe. Which "nutcases" do we support? Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Well... the baathists built a community level network, and stopped all political movements at the grass roots level. Exactly - Assad started out managing things the same way, but over time, he grew complacent, and let things slip. He probably would have been fine, if not for the middle east erupting at the same time. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 In fairness, I think the preliminary findings point that. There has also, apparently, been chatter to this effect. What preliminary findings? A heat signature? A heat signature might point to an explosion but an explosion doesn't mean a bomb. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Which "nutcases" do we support? The ones you just mentioned. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 What preliminary findings? A heat signature? A heat signature might point to an explosion but an explosion doesn't mean a bomb. That's why I said point. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 16 pages and we're still talking about the conflicts in the Middle East? Is this that much of a priority for you people? Quote
dre Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Other than to halt the expansion of ISIS and aide Iraqi and Kurdish forces in regaining ground........ That's a rather silly appraisal. ISIL stopped rapidly expanding well before the west got there. They easily took control of Sunni communities without much of a fight but that's all. And people there understand the dynamic. When ISIL took Mosul they had less than 8000 people and the much stronger Iraqi army walked away. Why? Because it would have been stupid to fight them. They would have just melted into a population that was friendly to them. These are the same people that defeated the US and its allies after 10 years and 2 TRILLION dollars. The EXACT same folks. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WestCoastRunner Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 In fairness, I think the preliminary findings point that. There has also, apparently, been chatter to this effect. OMG. Didn't I say that a few posts back! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The Assad regime allowed a fairly formidable opposition to develop over a period of more than a decade. Saddam had two "fairly formidable opposition" groups to his North and South for decades..........yet are you suggesting Saddam would have succeeded where Assad failed.....why is that and how? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Exactly - Assad started out managing things the same way, but over time, he grew complacent, and let things slip. He probably would have been fine, if not for the middle east erupting at the same time. Explain how he "grew complacent and let things slip".... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The ones you just mentioned. The elected Iraqi Government and Kurds are nutcases? Quote
cybercoma Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Are we going to get back to talking about Trudeau's policies at any point or should I just stop coming back to this thread now? Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 OMG. Didn't I say that a few posts back! That doesn't give us a conclusive answer though. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 That's a rather silly appraisal. ISIL stopped rapidly expanding well before the west got there. They easily took control of Sunni communities without much of a fight but that's all. And people there understand the dynamic. When ISIL took Mosul they had less than 8000 people and the much stronger Iraqi army walked away. Why? Because it would have been stupid to fight them. They would have just melted into a population that was friendly to them. These are the same people that defeated the US and its allies after 10 years and 2 TRILLION dollars. The EXACT same folks. Bullshit, ISIL was driving on Baghdad months after the initial Western Forces arrived, and only halted once the entirety of the current forces there were engaged. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The elected Iraqi Government and Kurds are nutcases? Yes Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Are we going to get back to talking about Trudeau's policies at any point or should I just stop coming back to this thread now? How about we just talk over it? Quote
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