Topaz Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Justin Trudeau is going ahead with the approval of the Justice depart. and appointing senates on merit with the help from an advisory panel by the end of the year. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-s-senate-appointments-plan-backed-by-advice-from-justice-officials-1.3292533 Edited October 30, 2015 by Charles Anthony spelling Justin Trudeau Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 I think that's a very good idea. No patronage appointments to end cronyism, and hopefully make it non-partisan. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Big Guy Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 The success or failure of the process will depend on the make up of the advisory panel. I trust that they will be given a mandate and a set of guidelines and criteria for the selection of potential senators. There is already talk suggesting that a few of those better known defeated NDP candidates be suggested as senators. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
ToadBrother Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 The success or failure of the process will depend on the make up of the advisory panel. I trust that they will be given a mandate and a set of guidelines and criteria for the selection of potential senators. There is already talk suggesting that a few of those better known defeated NDP candidates be suggested as senators. There's a cruel irony in that, considering the NDP's position on the Senate. Quote
Smeelious Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 There's a cruel irony in that, considering the NDP's position on the Senate. and that it would further limit the possibility of re-election.. Quote
Argus Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 I think that's a very good idea. No patronage appointments to end cronyism, and hopefully make it non-partisan. Uhm, do you seriously think Trudeau will appoint anyone other than loyal Liberals? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smeelious Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Uhm, do you seriously think Trudeau will appoint anyone other than loyal Liberals? Of course he will. In what ratio is the question. Quote
Argus Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Of course he will. In what ratio is the question. Trudeau already has a problem with the senate in that it has a tory majority, and that the Liberals already there were booted out of his caucus for PR purposes, and many are righteously pissed off at him and need a lot of stroking. He can't afford to appoint anyone but Liberals. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smeelious Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Trudeau already has a problem with the senate in that it has a tory majority, and that the Liberals already there were booted out of his caucus for PR purposes, and many are righteously pissed off at him and need a lot of stroking. He can't afford to appoint anyone but Liberals. Well, appointing pure Liberals won't help him in any case then. Better to appear to appoint non-partisans and then complain when the senate actually tries to do it's job. Or showing that his "non-partisans" are supporting his bill while the old rank-and-files are holding things up... Regardless the Senate is still irrelevant. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 It can be less partisan. It will never be non-partisan. Personally, I think it should be an elected body. If not elected, or abolished, then I guess this is much better than a bunch of party hacks who are willing to lie, cheat and steal like Harper's appointments (need we bring up Duffy, Wallin, Brazeau, Tkachuk, etc, etc)... The willingness to steal our money, or mess with an independent audit on the PM's orders are not good qualities. But I also don't want it to merely be the most famous Canadians that they can think of. We don't need celebrity Senators. It will be interesting to see the committee and criteria for how this is going to be done. Any NDP MP who would take a Senate seat would be a hypocrite. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Uhm, do you seriously think Trudeau will appoint anyone other than loyal Liberals? I said the idea was good, I never said anything about how the execution would turn out, that remains to be seen. The whole idea here, I think, is for Trudeau not to appoint anyone himself based on partisanship or patronage, but appoint based on merit determined by the advice from an independent panel with JT having the final approval. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Smallc Posted October 30, 2015 Report Posted October 30, 2015 Uhm, do you seriously think Trudeau will appoint anyone other than loyal Liberals? Like I've said before, it's hard to judge whether or not he'll break his promises until he actually does. So far, he's moved to keep several of them (they also happen to be ones I disagree with, but, kept anyway). Quote
cybercoma Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 I'm pretty surprised he's going ahead with this before stacking the senate. Good for him. Quote
waldo Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Justin Trudeau is going ahead with the approval of the Justice depart. and appointing senates on merit with the help from an advisory panel by the end of the year. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-s-senate-appointments-plan-backed-by-advice-from-justice-officials-1.3292533 which is nothing new... it was floated long ago and appeared in the formal Jan, 2014 announcement - Ending partisanship and patronage in the Senate from the Prime Minister- designate, the, uhhh... hair-apparent, Justin Trudeau: That is why I call upon the Prime Minister to publicly commit, as I have today, to be guided in all future Senate appointments by an open, transparent, non-partisan process, and once appointed, have senators sit independent from the political parties that serve in the House of Commons. And in so doing, we will remove partisanship and patronage from the Senate, reforming it and improving it in a deep and meaningful way, without ever having to touch the Constitution of Canada. Quote
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 I'm pretty surprised he's going ahead with this before stacking the senate. Good for him. I'm not at all - he obviously feels he has something to prove, and plans to keep most if not all of his promises (though his evidence based promise will make some of his other promises impossible. For example, I fully expect that no new community mail boxes will be installed...but that none will be taken out). Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 I'm not at all - he obviously feels he has something to prove, and plans to keep most if not all of his promises (though his evidence based promise will make some of his other promises impossible. For example, I fully expect that no new community mail boxes will be installed...but that none will be taken out). 25,000 syrian refugees by end of the year. Let's see. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 25,000 syrian refugees by end of the year. Let's see. I take you'll be jumping for joy if they fall even 1 short of that goal. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 I take you'll be jumping for joy if they fall even 1 short of that goal. The rhetoric. Oh the rhetoric. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
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