Big Guy Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Yet another white on black confrontation that is causing observers to take sides. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-video/index.html If your child was in this class then would you condone the actions? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Accountability Now Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 If your child was in this class then would you condone the actions? I probably also wouldn't condone the child refusing to leave after being asked to do so by the teacher a number of times. I'm not saying that those actions deserve a beat down however this isn't a case of the child being innocent. I also have to assume there is history with not just this student but the officer involved as well. Quote
Guest Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 I think it is acceptable to forcibly remove a student who refused to leave when asked by the teacher, an administrator and then the police. However, it looks like the officer lost his cool when dealing with a disrespectful little sh*t and way overdid it. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Say what you want, but the amount of force here clearly goes beyond what was needed to remove the student from the classroom. It's another case of "respect mah authoritah" or I'm going to throw a tantrum and wail on you if you don't. Edited October 27, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 That jerk is lucky he didn't injure her or else I would love to be the lawyer that sued his ass off. It is reported he has been in court at least twice already for the same kind of crap, one case still pending. He apparently doesn't quite get the difference between de escalate and escalate. He apparently has been suspended but I wonder if they went far enough to take a blood sample from him. Could well be something there to indicate a cause of his aggressiveness. Quote
Argus Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 I think it is acceptable to forcibly remove a student who refused to leave when asked by the teacher, an administrator and then the police. However, it looks like the officer lost his cool when dealing with a disrespectful little sh*t and way overdid it. Overdid it a little, not way. He never hit or hurt her, after all. She was using her cell in class. The teacher ordered her to hand it over and she told her to screw off. She ordered her out and she refused. The vice principle showed up and ordered her out and she refused. The cop showed up and ordered her out and she refused several times. I don't see he did anything that wrong. He dragged her out of the desk, and this being the US, cuffed her and arrested her. In my school she simply would have been expelled and that would be that. We didn't tend to charge people for things like that. I do remember, btw, one of my eighth grade teachers doing something very similar, tho this was back when teachers weren't afraid to touch students. Dragged some snotty kid out by the scruff of the neck and threw him in the hall. He gained a lot of respect with the rest of us for doing it, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Overdid it a little, not way. He never hit or hurt her, after all. She was using her cell in class. The teacher ordered her to hand it over and she told her to screw off. She ordered her out and she refused. The vice principle showed up and ordered her out and she refused. The cop showed up and ordered her out and she refused several times. I don't see he did anything that wrong. He dragged her out of the desk, and this being the US, cuffed her and arrested her. In my school she simply would have been expelled and that would be that. We didn't tend to charge people for things like that. I do remember, btw, one of my eighth grade teachers doing something very similar, tho this was back when teachers weren't afraid to touch students. Dragged some snotty kid out by the scruff of the neck and threw him in the hall. He gained a lot of respect with the rest of us for doing it, too. Did you see how she got tangled up in her desk?? They were both so very lucky she didn't suffer serious injuries. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 And then they had the nerve to charge another student for protesting the treatment of her fellow student. Unbelievable. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Overdid it a little, not way. He never hit or hurt her, after all. She was using her cell in class. The teacher.....The vice principle...The cop....ordered her out and she refused several times. Agreed....back in the day, a teacher would have just "handled it". In a parochial school, a nun would have just unleashed "God's wrath and anger" on the poor misunderstood "victim" student. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Agreed....back in the day, a teacher would have just "handled it". In a parochial school, a nun would have just unleashed "God's wrath and anger" on the poor misunderstood "victim" student.And in a US school some wacko cop, probably hopped up on steroids and with an IQ of 50, just beats the shit out of a kid and probably will get away with it. What an F**^^d up society! Quote
Big Guy Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Posted October 28, 2015 This situation was handled poorly by all involved. I was involved in a similar situation many, many years ago in my 4th year of teaching. It was a grade 10 general level class with about 35 students. One student was sleeping (probably something to do with my presentation) and had a history of defiance to authority. I woke him up and he told me to "F### off man - get out of my face!. That kind of language was unacceptable in my classes so I asked him to leave. He repeated his original request. I then told him to leave and he repeated the same line. At the time, the school policy was to phone the office and request the presence of an administrator. When I picked up the phone - I found it was dead, like most of the classroom phones in the school that had been dissected for their magnets by enterprising students. I was prepared to let this situation diffuse till the end of the period but the student was not. He started to badger me. The top priority of any situation is the safety of the students and this student appeared to be prepared to escalate the confrontation. In our board you were not allowed to touch a student unless he/she was a physical threat to themselves or others. I opened the door and told all of the students to go into the hall. The problem student was the last to leave and ran out so he was not isolated. When they had vacated the room, I stood at the door and motioned them back into the room, one at a time. The problem waited until he was the last in line and then I stepped in front of him so he would have to go through me to get into the room. If by doing so he then made physical contact with me then I could respond in kind. He stopped. I closed and locked the door. He kicked the door a few times then went away. He was later suspended and transferred to another school. In the situation described in the OP, there were a number of mistakes made. The offending student was given an audience and probably reacted as she did to maintain her rank in their social group. The policeman also had an audience and may have overreacted as a result. I hope that the administration will learn from this incident. It is the adults who are supposed to be in control. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Yeah, I can remember watching out of the Physics lab window while the police chased K.G. around the park next door. I was glad when they caught him, What a thug! I second BC's comment about Nuns too. No way Sister Deidre would have put up with the behavior in the OP. Some day I hope to forget... Quote
RB Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 The antecedent for police discipline in classroom is the issue of gun control. I feel with police in the school system there is going to be a whole generation of kids with aversion to law and order. We are bringing up "criminals". Well, the start is cell phone rebellion get kids in handcuff, drag off to jail, it can only get worst. Gun control like much of social problems need education for the public. Just my take. Quote
Canada_First Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 And in a US school some wacko cop, probably hopped up on steroids and with an IQ of 50, just beats the shit out of a kid and probably will get away with it. What an F**^^d up society! That wasn't beating the shit out of anyone. Have you ever been in a fight in your life? One usually beats the shit out of someone with fists not restraining them and physically removing them from a classroom.I didn't see any wrong doing. Maybe he should've tased her first but still. If you don't listen to the police bad things will happen. Don't want to be physically restrained then listen to the police commands. She got what she deserved. Even then not enough in my opinion. She's obviously not being parented at home properly. No discipline at home causes this. Takes away from the other students who are trying to learn. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 That wasn't beating the shit out of anyone. Have you ever been in a fight in your life? One usually beats the shit out of someone with fists not restraining them and physically removing them from a classroom. I didn't see any wrong doing. Maybe he should've tased her first but still. If you don't listen to the police bad things will happen. Don't want to be physically restrained then listen to the police commands. She got what she deserved. Even then not enough in my opinion. She's obviously not being parented at home properly. No discipline at home causes this. Takes away from the other students who are trying to learn. If you didn't see anything wrong in the actions of that so called cop in that video, then you must be as blind as a freakin bat. First of all she should have put her phone away when asked to or left the room. But, you don't have to "restrain" someone who is sitting quietly at a school desk. And you don't do that by throwing them head first on the floor and then hurling them across the floor towards a wall. I don't know what kind of society you grew up i but I can get a hint from the idea you seem to think being in fights is something to be proud of. I studied karate for a number of years so I've been in lots of sparring matches. It would have been repulsive to me to take my fists to anyone who wasn't a willing partner and away from the dojo floor. I am glad to hear this goon has been taken off the job and I hope hos colleagues who think like him will take a lesson from that. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 The antecedent for police discipline in classroom is the issue of gun control. I feel with police in the school system there is going to be a whole generation of kids with aversion to law and order. We are bringing up "criminals". Well, the start is cell phone rebellion get kids in handcuff, drag off to jail, it can only get worst. Gun control like much of social problems need education for the public. Just my take. The situation would have never escalated like it did if all the students and the teacher were carrying guns. /s Quote
Guest Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 In the situation described in the OP, there were a number of mistakes made. The offending student was given an audience and probably reacted as she did to maintain her rank in their social group. The policeman also had an audience and may have overreacted as a result. I hope that the administration will learn from this incident. It is the adults who are supposed to be in control. Well said! Quote
Guest Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 The situation would have never escalated like it did if all the students and the teacher were carrying guns. /sGood point! When will people realize that the constant threat of escalating routine confrontations into deadly incidents is the only way to prevent violence and lead safe, happy and content lives? Chronic, acute fear for one's live is the solution my friends... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Well it seems in this case at least, they had the good sense to fire this cop. Kids at that school ca hopefully breathe a little easier. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-announce-south-carolina-deputy-ben-fields-be-fired-sources-n452881 Quote
BC_chick Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 I'm not going to bring race into this because it makes people all kinds of crazy to think a cop might have prejudices towards African-Americans, but pretend for a minute that this incident happened in a... um, rich neighbourhood where the misbehaving kid came from a um... rich family. Do you think the cop would have shown more self-control towards the kid or do you think he would've slammed her down the same? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Canada_First Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 I'm not going to bring race into this because it makes people all kinds of crazy to think a cop might have prejudices towards African-Americans, but pretend for a minute that this incident happened in a... um, rich neighbourhood where the misbehaving kid came from a um... rich family. Do you think the cop would have shown more self-control towards the kid or do you think he would've slammed her down the same? If it was in a so called rich area school the child would've listened to the teacher the first time and the cops wouldn't been called at all.This student didn't listen to anyone due to poor upbringing with no discipline at home. Probably single parent home, no father, this child running the streets all night. Drinking and smoking weed. Not doing homework. A soon to be loser who will end up arrested and in jail. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 Cop was fired... FBI may press charges... ex-cop will be sued... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 28, 2015 Report Posted October 28, 2015 If it was in a so called rich area school the child would've listened to the teacher the first time and the cops wouldn't been called at all. This student didn't listen to anyone due to poor upbringing with no discipline at home. Probably single parent home, no father, this child running the streets all night. Drinking and smoking weed. Not doing homework. A soon to be loser who will end up arrested and in jail. And you know all this about this girl and this situation how? Holding off on making wild assumptions, at least until you have some facts, does tend to help ones credibility. Quote
socialist Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Overdid it a little, not way. He never hit or hurt her, after all. She was using her cell in class. The teacher ordered her to hand it over and she told her to screw off. She ordered her out and she refused. The vice principle showed up and ordered her out and she refused. The cop showed up and ordered her out and she refused several times. I don't see he did anything that wrong. He dragged her out of the desk, and this being the US, cuffed her and arrested her. In my school she simply would have been expelled and that would be that. We didn't tend to charge people for things like that. I do remember, btw, one of my eighth grade teachers doing something very similar, tho this was back when teachers weren't afraid to touch students. Dragged some snotty kid out by the scruff of the neck and threw him in the hall. He gained a lot of respect with the rest of us for doing it, too. While she was in the class, the other students couldn't do their work because of the bad behaviour. Why should one student cause the others to lose out on class time. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted November 2, 2015 Report Posted November 2, 2015 While she was in the class, the other students couldn't do their work because of the bad behaviour. Why should one student cause the others to lose out on class time. Interestingly, hundreds of students walked out of classes the other day to protest the dismissal of the resource officer. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/30/student-walkout-backs-fired-deputy-sc-school/74874920/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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