Wilber Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 You must have meant this post for someone else. My mistake. I did. I would say a lack of sense is going into something with no idea what it will cost you. You guys haven't been shy when it comes to calling the conservatives to task when it comes to what things cost. Why so sensitive? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 If they're replacing other refugees (which seems to make sense, given the numbers provided) it is costed. Cite please. Where has the LPC said they will not take in other refugees at all? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 My mistake. I did. I would say a lack of sense is going into something with no idea what it will cost you. You guys haven't been shy when it comes to calling the conservatives to task when it comes to what things cost. Why so sensitive? This issue is not about what "things" cost. It's about human lives. That's what makes it sensitive. Quote
Wilber Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 This issue is not about what "things" cost. It's about human lives. That's what makes it sensitive. Well it has to be budgeted for now, unless you belong to the school that says we will just add it to the deficit and pay interest on it forever because our governments don't pay down debt, they just pay interest. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
dre Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 They will rent homes? HOMES? Yes... home hōm/ noun 1. the place where one lives Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Well it has to be budgeted for now, unless you belong to the school that says we will just add it to the deficit and pay interest on it forever because our governments don't pay down debt, they just pay interest. That's fine but budget for it properly. Take into the account that we have a soft economy on the verge of recession and the government is dumping piles of money into the economy in stimulus. And keep in mind that giving money to people that don't save anything is the most efficient form of such stimulus. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Yes... Maybe it's because i'm anal retentive because this isn't my primary board that I post in. Your post indicated homes, as in plural. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Well it has to be budgeted for now, unless you belong to the school that says we will just add it to the deficit and pay interest on it forever because our governments don't pay down debt, they just pay interest. And what government didn't do that? I reckon I'd prefer my tax bucks to go to helping someone who will likely become a productive citizen, rather than pissing it into the pockets of, let's say, Lockheed Martin for a junk airplane. Quote
Wilber Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 That's fine but budget for it properly. Take into the account that we have a soft economy on the verge of recession and the government is dumping piles of money into the economy in stimulus. And keep in mind that giving money to people that don't save anything is the most efficient form of such stimulus. Tell me how they are going to budget for it properly. Take into account the interest we pay on federal debt in one year would cover the total deficits JT is planning on running over the next three years. We are still paying for services delivered 30 years ago. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 And what government didn't do that? I reckon I'd prefer my tax bucks to go to helping someone who will likely become a productive citizen, rather than pissing it into the pockets of, let's say, Lockheed Martin for a junk airplane. Likely become a productive citizen? Please. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Cite please. Where has the LPC said they will not take in other refugees at all? I'm not sure what they plan to do - but it would make sense given the numbers provided. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 I'm not sure what they plan to do - but it would make sense given the numbers provided. No, it wouldn't. The LPC has not said flat out they will not accept refugees from other "catastrophes".They are budgeting it that way according to you, but they have not said such a thing. If they did, it would make them more credible, but right now it's smoke and mirrors. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 Likely become a productive citizen? Please. This country was built by the work of immigrants who were productive. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 This country was built by the work of immigrants who were productive. I think you should take a look at the demographics of the immigrants vs refugees. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 I think you should take a look at the demographics of the immigrants vs refugees. And your view on that? Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 And your view on that? It's not my view. My parents used to run a firm that brought in immigrants. They were brought in due to their ability to contribute to our economy. A refugee that enters our country is not cleared due to their ability to add value to our country. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 It's not my view. My parents used to run a firm that brought in immigrants. They were brought in due to their ability to contribute to our economy. A refugee that enters our country is not cleared due to their ability to add value to our country. They are allowed to enter so that they might not be killed. It's called humanity. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 They are allowed to enter so that they might not be killed. It's called humanity. This has a cost. I'm not willing to bear it. And if you are, great, but at what cost? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 This has a cost. I'm not willing to bear it. And if you are, great, but at what cost? You do understand that the government isn't beholden to your will alone. The majority of Canadians clearly want to allow more refugees in. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 You do understand that the government isn't beholden to your will alone. The majority of Canadians clearly want to allow more refugees in. My was point was costing was poorly done Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Argus Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 The cost was projected for 4 years. Not sure about after that. They added $4 billion into the budget for Syrian refugees? I'd like to see a cite on that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 They are allowed to enter so that they might not be killed. It's called humanity. You have evidence refugees in Turkey are being killed? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 They added $4 billion into the budget for Syrian refugees? And you pulled that number from....? Quote
poochy Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 You do understand that the government isn't beholden to your will alone. The majority of Canadians clearly want to allow more refugees in. We should ask the Canadians who have to pay for it first. Quote
eyeball Posted October 31, 2015 Report Posted October 31, 2015 We should ask the Canadians who have to pay for it first. The time to canvass Canadians for opinions on refugees is not during the middle of a crisis and I'm quite certain the government has ascertained these opinions adequately enough during more normal times to know. I'm just a certain there are occasions when you'd be just suspicious about the timing of a call to use direct democracy or a public opinion poll in the heat of the moment to determine policy on the fly. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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