Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah I wonder if that has occurred to you during your many attempts to label others as "non tax paying", and your retarded and often trotted out "i pay more in taxes than you will ever make!" refrain. But if I suggest someone is 'non tax paying' its likely as a result of them supporting high tax and spending increases, which strikes me as quite logical. As for me, personally, if I didn't pay high taxes why do you think I'd be in such opposition to higher taxes? Again, logic. I know that's a four letter word to the Left, so I'll give you some time to get over the trauma of seeing it before you reply. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 So you position is that even though this is pointless and will accomplish nothing we should simply accept it? Not in my DNA to do that. No, my position is that it isn't pointless, that someone has to take the first step, and that in the long run it will accomplish a great deal. Quote
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Oh please. Like anything Canada does is going to have ANY influence on the world's climate. If you see that your neighbour doesn't recycle, is that a good enough reason for you not to? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 India has a plan to reduce their CO2 emissions by 33-35% of 2005 level by 2030. China has announced a cap and trade. We all need to do our part. India and China have suggested that they will start doing stuff a few decades down the line. And what happens in thirty years? Well, that's really not going to be the problem of those in power, now is it? Kind of like Chretien signing the Kyoto accord and doing nothing, knowing it would be his successor's problem. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 India and China have suggested that they will start doing stuff a few decades down the line. And what happens in thirty years? Well, that's really not going to be the problem of those in power, now is it? Kind of like Chretien signing the Kyoto accord and doing nothing, knowing it would be his successor's problem. Both China and India are going to be pretty badly affected by climate change, so they have every reason to try to end their reliance on fossil fuels. As do we. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 If you see that your neighbour doesn't recycle, is that a good enough reason for you not to? Let's not get into the recycling scam. I read a thing some years back in the Toronto Star, of all places, which basically suggested most types of recycling is a waste of money and that it used up more in resources than it saved, as far as the environment went. This carbon tax stuff is basically the same. It's for people like you to feel good. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Both China and India are going to be pretty badly affected by climate change, so they have every reason to try to end their reliance on fossil fuels. The governments of both India and China have been perfectly clear that their number one priority is the expansion and modernization of their economy, and that everything else falls well, well, well short of that. Edited October 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Let's not get into the recycling scam. I read a thing some years back in the Toronto Star, of all places, which basically suggested most types of recycling is a waste of money and that it used up more in resources than it saved, as far as the environment went. This carbon tax stuff is basically the same. It's for people like you to feel good. The carbon tax is coming. Fossil fuels are going to be priced properly. Get used to it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 India and China have suggested that they will start doing stuff a few decades down the line. And what happens in thirty years? Well, that's really not going to be the problem of those in power, now is it? Kind of like Chretien signing the Kyoto accord and doing nothing, knowing it would be his successor's problem. Umm, 2030 is not "a few decades down the line". To meet their stated goals they will have to start now. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 The governments of both India and China have been perfectly clear that their number one priority is the expansion and modernization of their economy, and that everything else falls well, well, well short of that. They've made it clear they need to tackle climate change. You just don't want to believe it. The carbon tax is coming. Get used to it. Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Meanwhile, many first-nations go without clean drinking water and the women get raped, murdered, and missing. Due to laziness right? Due to incompetent tribal governments, mostly. Who is in charge of those water facilities? Chances are the Chief's brother in law, who has never had any training, doesn't read the manual, and doesn't show up three days out of five. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Due to incompetent tribal governments, mostly. Who is in charge of those water facilities? Chances are the Chief's brother in law, who has never had any training, doesn't read the manual, and doesn't show up three days out of five. Some FNs have never had proper water systems. But hey, you're whole MO is about finding groups you want to attack and layering on gross overgeneralizations. Quote
Wilber Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 A little carbon tax shouldn't bother someone who makes so much. They can always go out and buy a Tesla or BMW !8. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Some FNs have never had proper water systems. But hey, you're whole MO is about finding groups you want to attack and layering on gross overgeneralizations. Why would I want to attack any group? My "MO" is that when I see groups acting stupidly I'm not afraid to say it. And I don't care that it makes the lefties squeal like pigs, cover their ears, and burst into tears. Pretty much every serious case of bad water I've read about was because the water filtration system was not properly maintained by the locals. Edited October 9, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 A little carbon tax shouldn't bother someone who makes so much. They can always go out and buy a Tesla or BMW !8. I've actually looked at BMWs, but I honestly can't justify the cost given I work at home now, and thus don't do much driving. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 But if I suggest someone is 'non tax paying' its likely as a result of them supporting high tax and spending increases, which strikes me as quite logical. And yet, even if I made more I doubt my attitude toward taxes would change; I'd still consider taxes a necessary evil and I'd still want to do my chare. I would want my taxes used to help those less fortunate than myself, rather than calling them names and wanting to deny them citizenship. So this is not at all logical, because we aren't all Argus or AngryPenguin clones. As for me, personally, if I didn't pay high taxes why do you think I'd be in such opposition to higher taxes? Again, logic. I suspect you'd be against taxes regardless of the tax bracket you fell into. I know that's a four letter word to the Left, so I'll give you some time to get over the trauma of seeing it before you reply. You mean in the way compassion and empathy are four letter words to you? Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Why would I want to attack any group? My "MO" is that when I see groups acting stupidly I'm not afraid to say it. And I don't care that it makes the lefties squeal like pigs, cover their ears, and burst into tears. Pretty much every serious case of bad water I've read about was because the water filtration system was not properly maintained by the locals. The problem is that the groups you attack always seem to be groups you can somehow conveniently lump under "lefty". You have vitriol to spare for such groups once you've decided their "lefties", but boy oh boy, even suggest that a group you've decided are "righties" has done something wrong, and you come up with canards like "no honest person can say the Tories have damaged this country." You've picked your tribe, absolve them of every sin, and spend your days figuring out how to lump your supposed opponents into convenient groups that you can attack. Quote
dre Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) But if I suggest someone is 'non tax paying' its likely as a result of them supporting high tax and spending increases, which strikes me as quite logical. Problem is its not reality... like most of your posts its based on the imaginary people inside your head. The reality is that lots of taxpayers support the idea of social democracy and understand that it requires a relatively high level of taxation, and vice versa. Plenty of people that dont pay much taxes support and believe in the idea of low taxation, and as an extension believe in minimal government. As for me, personally, if I didn't pay high taxes why do you think I'd be in such opposition to higher taxes? Again, logic Again, you dont have to be a person that pays lots of taxes to have an ideological belief that taxes should be low. Thats why your whole "rich conservatives poor liberals" claim is so silly and has no basis in reality in the real world. Lots of poor folks living in the sticks clinging to their guns and bibles support low taxation because they think large governments are evil. Its not necessary because they pay lots in taxes. I know that's a four letter word to the Left, so I'll give you some time to get over the trauma of seeing it before you reply. I know that's a four letter word to the Left, so I'll give you some time to get over the trauma of seeing it before you reply. You mean its a four letter word to the imaginary caricature of the left that youve constructed in your head. Why would I want to attack any group? My "MO" is that when I see groups acting stupidly I'm not afraid to say it. No... Your "MO" is to construct an artificial reality inside your head. A caricature of politics where one side is wrong/bad/stupid/evil, and the other side is right/good/pure/virtuous. You then reenforce this whimsical little fanstasy world by filtering out information that doesnt fit. Edited October 9, 2015 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Let's not get into the recycling scam. I read a thing some years back in the Toronto Star, of all places, which basically suggested most types of recycling is a waste of money and that it used up more in resources than it saved, as far as the environment went. This carbon tax stuff is basically the same. It's for people like you to feel good. Oh yes, I can see how one article can be a game-changer. So I take it that you don't even recycle.... or are you a 'feel-gooder' too?. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
dialamah Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Let's not get into the recycling scam. I read a thing some years back in the Toronto Star, of all places, which basically suggested most types of recycling is a waste of money and that it used up more in resources than it saved, as far as the environment went. This carbon tax stuff is basically the same. It's for people like you to feel good. I doubt you'd every find a good enough reason to invest in the planet or humanity in general. But hey, here's different information, feel free to ignore it since it doesn't fall into your preferred world view. https://www.quora.com/Does-recycling-really-help-the-environment Quote
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 And yet, even if I made more I doubt my attitude toward taxes would change; I'd still consider taxes a necessary evil and I'd still want to do my chare. I would want my taxes used to help those less fortunate than myself, rather than calling them names and wanting to deny them citizenship. So this is not at all logical, because we aren't all Argus or AngryPenguin clones. I consider taxes a necessary evil, as well. There are things government needs to do and I'm not at all reluctant to contribute my share. But then there are things the goverment doesn't need to do. For example, the government doesn't need to increase my taxes so it can give a tax break to people earning under $90,000 a year. So no, I don't find that acceptable. You mean in the way compassion and empathy are four letter words to you? It always boils down to this self-gratifying belief among the Left that because they want to 'help' the downtrodden - largely using my money, of course - they're just wonderful people, while those who think their 'help' is not only often unwarranted but counterproductive, and who resent being forced to pay for it, are just not as caring and wonderful as them. Sorry, but in reality, supporting dumb programs, which you mostly don't have to pay for, does not make you noble. It makes you shallow and ignorant. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 Oh yes, I can see how one article can be a game-changer. So I take it that you don't even recycle.... or are you a 'feel-gooder' too?. I recycle cans, plastic and cardboard, mostly out of force of habit. There was a blonde involved in my starting it, you see. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) It always boils down to this self-gratifying belief among the Left that because they want to 'help' the downtrodden - largely using my money, of course - they're just wonderful people, while those who think their 'help' is not only often unwarranted but counterproductive, and who resent being forced to pay for it, are just not as caring and wonderful as them. Sorry, but in reality, supporting dumb programs, which you mostly don't have to pay for, does not make you noble. It makes you shallow and ignorant. Precisely! Damn Robin Hood Lefties. Edited October 9, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
BC_chick Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I recycle cans, plastic and cardboard, mostly out of force of habit. There was a blonde involved in my starting it, you see. Basically you're spending your time doing something you don't believe in because it's a habit your picked up from a woman... So you mean if an attractive woman in your life believed in carbon-tax you'd get on board with that too? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Boges Posted October 9, 2015 Report Posted October 9, 2015 I think most people don't want to use more gasoline than they have to. Unless you're a coal-rolling jerk. People mostly use fossil fuels out of necessity, occasionally they'll use it for leisure like going on a trip or something. When you see the price of living in central urban areas, it's most certainly the wealthiest that can avoid using fossil fuels the most. The revenue neutral element of Carbon taxes is hilarious because if governments really going to be happy with reduced if people do what they actually want? They know people can't avoid using carbon, it's engrained in society. We live in Canada? Most of the year people need Fossil fuels just to live in this cold country. Quote
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