Machjo Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 I'd found myself in the oddest conversation with a CBSA Officer this week. She'd illegally refused to return my fiancée's passport to her due to the fear that she would go back home and not return to Canada for an appeal hearing to determine whether to forcefully send her back home. When I pointed out the insanity of the Officer's statement, she just said that the CBSA did not want her to return home of her own free will but rather to be forcefully deported. Her lawyer then sent a fax to the CBSA informing it of the criminality of its refusal and that should it continue to refuse to return her passpprt, the person responsible would suffer the legal consequences of his actions. Sure enough, the CBSA returned her her passport the next day, but again reminding her that they are appealing the IRB decision and that should she go home, she would have to return for the appeal hearing or face a warrant for her arrest. So the CBSA first tried to force her to leave. Failing that, it illegally tried to force her to stay. Failing that, it is now going to force her to return should she leave so as to try to force her to leave. This parallels the niqab controversy. Just as an Asian woman should not be free to stay in, leave, or not return to Canada of her own free will, so a Muslim woman should likewise not get to decide what part of her body to cover. Just as the best way to protect the rights of Asian women in Canada is to disrespect the right to the presumption of innocence, to try to force them to leave when they want to stay, to stay when they want to leave, and to return should they wish to not return; so the best way to protect the rights of a Muslim woman from being forced to dress a certain way is to force her to undress a certain way. And just as an Asian woman should be punished through appeals for having dared to challenge the Power of the CBSA and win, so a Muslim woman should likewise be punished through appeals for challenging the Government and winning. The one constant in all of this is that a non-Canadian woman of non-British and non-French origin should never get to freely decide what to do and ought to be punished for fighting back and winning. In short, such women ought to know their place in Canadian society. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 They just want to add her as a statistic to the "forceful removal" column, so the Tories can have some numbers to throw around without context. It will make it look to the ignorant masses like they've deported another terrorist. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Hopefully we will have a more civil and respectful and democratic government in place after October 19th which would end all these unacceptable practices. The campaign of build and grow on hate appears to be backfiring on them as per recent polls and hopefully this trend will continue in the coming days. Quote
Machjo Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) The sad part is that the CBSA could have saved thousands of dollars in this case had they just collected a few easy witness statements at a cost of no more than an officer's day's salary if that. Edited October 5, 2015 by Machjo Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Sample size of n=1. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Machjo Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Sample size of n=1. If it happens to one, why would it not happen to others? Humans are creatures of habit, so if the CBSA handled our case this way, then it's reasonable to suppose that that is because that is how it operates. Edited October 5, 2015 by Machjo Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 If it happens to one, why would it not happen to othets? Humans are creatures of habit, so if the CBSA handled our case thus way, then it's reasonable to suppose that that is because that is how it operates. I deal with the CBSA twice a week. Your comment is a stretch if you are implying this is an issue based on a sample size of 1. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Machjo Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Posted October 3, 2015 I deal with the CBSA twice a week. Your comment is a stretch if you are implying this is an issue based on a sample size of 1. The news media will add to the sample size. In the last year alone a Briton was deported for working in Canada without authorization for helping his Canadian girlfriend build her DIY patio. The CBSA has had problems with Akwesasne residents. More recently in the last month a CBSA Officer forcefully pulled a sickly elderly man out if his car for not complying with an order to get out of his car. Jimenez. Plenty of other examples. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 The news media will add to the sample size. In the last year alone a Briton was deported for working in Canada without authorization for helping his Canadian girlfriend build her DIY patio. The CBSA has had problems with Akwesasne residents. More recently in the last month a CBSA Officer forcefully pulled a sickly elderly man out if his car for not complying with an order to get out of his car. Jimenez. Plenty of other examples. Then approach them. At the end of the day, it's all hearsay and is not based on fact. Does the RCMP tase every Polish man? You're grasping at straws here. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Then approach them. At the end of the day, it's all hearsay and is not based on fact. Does the RCMP tase every Polish man? You're grasping at straws here. He's on a bit of a vendetta. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Let's have a discussion about how feedback should work. A good system, IMO, would include an independent body that gathered, investigated, and reported on complaints and general feedback and published the findings. It would have the power to initiate changes and would be top-of-mind for the public, and listened to by those managing the system and transparent and respected as much as possible by the public that uses, manages, and monitors border issues in Canada. We don't really have quite that but there is something. Here's a report from Vancouver: http://www.news1130.com/2012/09/03/hundreds-of-complaints-against-canadian-border-guards/ Now... The process isn't well-known or even open: it required an access to information request to get these results. There are other problems here: for example, no year-over-year numbers for compairson; no follow-up. Canadians don't expect enough from service providers, IMO, public or private. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Does the RCMP tase every Polish man? How many Polish men do they have to kill with a taser before it's too many? To me that answer is 1. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 I'd found myself in the oddest conversation with a CBSA Officer this week. She'd illegally refused to return my fiancée's passport to her due to the fear that she would go back home and not return to Canada for an appeal hearing to determine whether to forcefully send her back home. When I pointed out the insanity of the Officer's statement, she just said that the CBSA did not want her to return home of her own free will but rather to be forcefully deported. It happens in Canada but not just in Canada. I'm not aware of any country that is immune to the politics of fear and xenophobia. People are innately tribal and distrustful of those perceived to be outsiders. Right wing governments are particularly good at exploiting peoples' tendencies to bigotry. That's because low IQ is statistically related to racism, prejudice and conservative politics. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) It happens in Canada but not just in Canada. I'm not aware of any country that is immune to the politics of fear and xenophobia. People are innately tribal and distrustful of those perceived to be outsiders. Right wing governments are particularly good at exploiting peoples' tendencies to bigotry. That's because low IQ is statistically related to racism, prejudice and conservative politics. Then why is it that the rich people usually vote conservative? (and I am a 2%er, so I guess I'm considered rich. I inherited a total of $0 from my family) Edited October 4, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ReeferMadness Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Then why is it that the rich people usually vote conservative? (and I am a 2%er, so I guess I'm considered rich. I inherited a total of $0 from my family) I'm not aware of any statistical correlation between intelligence and wealth. Just lack of intelligence and conservative politics. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 I'm not aware of any statistical correlation between intelligence and wealth. Just lack of intelligence and conservative politics. This reminds me of the ability to find whatever statistics I want to prove a point. You're really grasping at straws here. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 This reminds me of the ability to find whatever statistics I want to prove a point. You're really grasping at straws here. The study simply says the less well educated tend towards more socially conservative and racist views. It does not say conservative voters are ignorant racists. That's just Reefer's spin on it. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) The study simply says the less well educated tend towards more socially conservative and racist views. It does not say conservative voters are ignorant racists. That's just Reefer's spin on it. ad hominem attack. Either point out where I've said that or modify your post. And you're wrong. It doesn't just say less well educated, it says less intelligent. Edited October 4, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 ad hominem attack. Either point out where I've said that or modify your post. And you're wrong. It doesn't just say less well educated, it says less intelligent. You actually don't know what an ad hominem attack is, do you? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 You actually don't know what an ad hominem attack is, do you? Yeah, I do. You don't like the findings of the study so you're attacking me for presenting it. And the way you're doing that is by inventing things I've said and attributing them to me. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Yeah, I do. You don't like the findings of the study so you're attacking me for presenting it. And the way you're doing that is by inventing things I've said and attributing them to me. I'm not attacking. I'm attacking your conclusion. Unless you're of the opinion that if someone attacks your conclusions is a personal attack, in which case I would suggest growing a thicker skin. Besides, it's one study. While I can imagine that people of lower intelligence will tend to buy into prejudiced views more readily, in reality everyone has prejudices. For instance, you seem to have an unreasonable dislike of conservatives, to the point that you like to intentionally misread studies and then declare your conservative interlocutors to be halfwits. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 An interview by Bill Maher with Ayaan Hirsi Ali: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLJOenmfR2g Ayaan is a controversial human rights advocate: "Hirsi Ali is the founder and president of the AHA Foundation, a non-profit humanitarian organisation to protect women and girls in the U.S. against political Islam and harmful tribal customs that violate U.S. law and international conventions. Through the AHA Foundation, Hirsi Ali campaigns against the denial of education for girls, female genital mutilation, forced marriage, honour violence and killings, and suppression of information about the crimes through the misuse and misinterpretation of rights to freedom of religion and free speech in the U.S. and the West." Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ToadBrother Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 An interview by Bill Maher with Ayaan Hirsi Ali: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLJOenmfR2g Ayaan is a controversial human rights advocate: "Hirsi Ali is the founder and president of the AHA Foundation, a non-profit humanitarian organisation to protect women and girls in the U.S. against political Islam and harmful tribal customs that violate U.S. law and international conventions. Through the AHA Foundation, Hirsi Ali campaigns against the denial of education for girls, female genital mutilation, forced marriage, honour violence and killings, and suppression of information about the crimes through the misuse and misinterpretation of rights to freedom of religion and free speech in the U.S. and the West." What does "misrepresentation of rights to freedom of religion and free speech in the US" mean exactly? The US has the most liberal speech and religious freedom in the world. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 What does "misrepresentation of rights to freedom of religion and free speech in the US" mean exactly? The US has the most liberal speech and religious freedom in the world. In Canada, misrepresentation would include allowing the Niqab at citizenship ceremonies. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Machjo Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 How many Polish men do they have to kill with a taser before it's too many? To me that answer is 1. Lawyers have a clear interest in voting CPC with the arrest-and-detain-without-proof, trial, and appeal culture that they so promote. I'm just wondering, when the court rules in my fiancée's favour yet again, will the CBSA appeal yet again? It certainly helps rich lawyers I suppose. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
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