Conservatives crank up values clash by taking aim at 'barbaric cul

[Machjo]

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/topstories/canada-election-2015-conservatives-barbaric-cultural-practices-1.3254886

'911 Operator. What's the emergency?"

"I'd like to report a murder."

"What's the nature of the murder?"

"What do you mean?"

"If it was motivated by 'barbaric cultural practices,' we can't help you with that; then you'll need to call the BCP tip line at 1(800) barbara. That number again is 1 (800) 227-2272.'

"But I don't know the motive for the killing."

"I'm sorry sir, but you'll first have to determine the motive for the killing and then call the right number. If it's not motivated by 'culturally barbaric practices, you call us, otherwise you'l need to call the BCP tip line."

"I suspect it's a serial rapist making snuff films."

"Oh I see. That sounds more like an English cultural practice, so that would be us."

"But I'm not sure. It might have been an honour killing."

"Honour killing? Definitely the BCP tip line. Anyway, you'll have to find out which and then call us back, okay."

Edited October 3, 2015 by Machjo

[cribone]

I wonder how many people will call about the Roman Catholic church for the barbaric cultural practice of not allowing women to be priests?

[cribone]

Don't we already have a line to call about violent cultural practices. It's 911. A line from a Conservative political ad. " Is this the biggest problem we have to solve" Get back to talking about improving the economy. Oh right not a Conservative strong point at this time.

[cybercoma]

I wonder how many people will call about the Roman Catholic church for the barbaric cultural practice of not allowing women to be priests?

Or the barbaric cultural practice of diddling altar boys.

[Kageshima]

This is seriously one of the most retarded campaign promises that any party has made. If it's illegal, call 911, don't make another tax-funded line just for the sake of promoting yourselves. The name sounds downright racist and ignorant as hell.

[Machjo]

Maybe the intent is that the BCP tip line would be a CBSA line. To incarcerate someone, you need to respect the presumption of innocence. To deport someone, you only need to respect the balance of probabilities, a much lower standard of proof.

That way, those charged with committing a 'barbaric cultural practice' could be found guilty on a lower proof threshold and then summarily deported.

Unfortunatly, serial killing and snuff films won't count as those are more English in nature.

[Keepitsimple]

I had trouble with the original link to the story so here it is again:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-conservatives-barbaric-cultural-practices-1.3254886

[cybercoma]

Maybe we'll crack down on our own honour killings. Oh...we don't call it that here. We just call it "domestic homicide." Not sure if that's a barbaric cultural practice or not. Will have to check with the RCMP when the task force is set up.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton-mass-killings-one-of-canada-s-deadliest-domestic-violence-cases-1.2887332

Edited October 3, 2015 by cybercoma

[Machjo]

Or an easier solution would be to rename the 911 emergency line as the BCP tip line.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Machjo

[Queenmandy85]

Any crime is a barbaric cultural practice.

[angrypenguin]

Any party that is willing to address female and children abuse is fine by me. Call a spade a spade but the conservatives are willing to throw money at this and I'm behind them.

[Big Guy]

The latest example of wedge politics. Unfortunately it works. Lynton Crosby is earning his money.

[Evening Star]

Any party that is willing to address female and children abuse is fine by me. Call a spade a spade but the conservatives are willing to throw money at this and I'm behind them.

I would be fine with, even supportive of, a hotline to report domestic abuse (edit: and a task force on the issue). That is not what this is. This proposal is for a hotline dedicated to specific abuses that have been singled out because they are 'barbaric cultural practices', with certain minority cultures as the intended targets. (Anglo-Saxon men who rape children are not committing a barbaric cultural practice, of course: they are just criminals and they can be treated with regular law enforcement.) There should not be a separate channel of law enforcement for crimes committed by people of specific minority cultural groups. That is the problem.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Evening Star

[dre]

Any party that is willing to address female and children abuse is fine by me. Call a spade a spade but the conservatives are willing to throw money at this and I'm behind them.

No... unfortunately you dont realize this but they are behind you... with a bottle of lube in one hand, and a bottle of ether in the other.

[Machjo]

Any party that is willing to address female and children abuse is fine by me. Call a spade a spade but the conservatives are willing to throw money at this and I'm behind them.

But we already have phone lines for that. In the worst case scenario, call 911. Why create more expensive bureaucracy for nothing?

It's like the Office if Religious Freedom, a total redundancy.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Machjo

[angrypenguin]

But we already have phone lines for that. In the worst case scenario, call 911. Why create more expensive bureaucracy for nothing?

It's like the Office if Religious Freedom, a total redundancy.

The Conservatives are also throwing money to help drive down these attacks against women and children. I agree the hotline is stupid though.

[dre]

The Conservatives are also throwing money to help drive down these attacks against women and children. I agree the hotline is stupid though.

Stupid for sure, but it might be smart politics.

[angrypenguin]

Stupid for sure, but it might be smart politics.

As a (current election) conservative supporter I have no doubt that you are correct.

[ToadBrother]

Any party that is willing to address female and children abuse is fine by me. Call a spade a spade but the conservatives are willing to throw money at this and I'm behind them.

The problem here being that that abuse is going to go on whether it involves someone of some other cultural group or not. And really what precise barbaric cultural practice isn't already covered by the Criminal Code, and is not prosecuted?

The only one that I can think of is arranged marriages, which is has been a real problem in the Indo-Canadian community. In most cases the young people involved are over the Federal or provincial ages of consent, so suddenly you enter a legal limbo because it could never be made illegal to put familial pressure on someone to marry someone else. Some cases might involve some sort of duress or kidnapping, but the problem is that these young people are in a foreign country and there is very little Canadian authorities can actually do.

This has been a serious bone of contention between Canada and India, for instance, for many years, because Indian authorities feel no particular compulsion to help out young women who have been brought from overseas and forced into marriages.

But that's the only real example I can think of. Everything else; female genital mutilation, kidnapping, forced confinement, honor killings, spousal and child abuse, uttering threats, stalking, are all already illegal, and as many have pointed out, we already have a hot line to report those.

[angrypenguin]

The problem here being that that abuse is going to go on whether it involves someone of some other cultural group or not. And really what precise barbaric cultural practice isn't already covered by the Criminal Code, and is not prosecuted?

The only one that I can think of is arranged marriages, which is has been a real problem in the Indo-Canadian community. In most cases the young people involved are over the Federal or provincial ages of consent, so suddenly you enter a legal limbo because it could never be made illegal to put familial pressure on someone to marry someone else. Some cases might involve some sort of duress or kidnapping, but the problem is that these young people are in a foreign country and there is very little Canadian authorities can actually do.

This has been a serious bone of contention between Canada and India, for instance, for many years, because Indian authorities feel no particular compulsion to help out young women who have been brought from overseas and forced into marriages.

But that's the only real example I can think of. Everything else; female genital mutilation, kidnapping, forced confinement, honor killings, spousal and child abuse, uttering threats, stalking, are all already illegal, and as many have pointed out, we already have a hot line to report those.

I've already said that the hot line is categorically stupid. It's called 911. However, the Conservatives are putting money towards resolving the very things you mention. No other party is calling out those issues in society. For that, I stand behind this directive.

And how do you know that the young people are over the age of consent. There is hardly any, if not no data on this problem.

[ToadBrother]

I've already said that the hot line is categorically stupid. It's called 911. However, the Conservatives are putting money towards resolving the very things you mention. No other party is calling out those issues in society. For that, I stand behind this directive.

And how do you know that the young people are over the age of consent. There is hardly any, if not no data on this problem.

That's just been my general observation of the cases that have made the news. But yes, you could have children involved, but it would be no easier to prosecute, and as these victims are often very much under family control, and in many cases unaware the trip back to their family's homeland is going to end in a forced marriage ceremony, how could you ever prevent it?

And more money is fine, I suppose, though I don't necessarily see how that is going to deal with this particular problem. It's not an issue of money so much as an issue that these kinds of forced marriages are taking place beyond Canada's borders, and in jurisdictions where laws, or at least the enforcement of laws, regarding such marriages are far more lax.

And again, note, that this is the only real example of "barbaric cultural practices" I can see that isn't already dealt with by the Criminal Code.

Let's be blunt. Every aspect of this campaign promise is pretty much populist mumbo jumbo. It sounds good, probably is amart politics, particularly in Quebec, but will do very little if anything to prevent such practices that Canadian authorities aren't already doing.

[angrypenguin]

That's just been my general observation of the cases that have made the news. But yes, you could have children involved, but it would be no easier to prosecute, and as these victims are often very much under family control, and in many cases unaware the trip back to their family's homeland is going to end in a forced marriage ceremony, how could you ever prevent it?

And more money is fine, I suppose, though I don't necessarily see how that is going to deal with this particular problem. It's not an issue of money so much as an issue that these kinds of forced marriages are taking place beyond Canada's borders, and in jurisdictions where laws, or at least the enforcement of laws, regarding such marriages are far more lax.

And again, note, that this is the only real example of "barbaric cultural practices" I can see that isn't already dealt with by the Criminal Code.

Let's be blunt. Every aspect of this campaign promise is pretty much populist mumbo jumbo. It sounds good, probably is amart politics, particularly in Quebec, but will do very little if anything to prevent such practices that Canadian authorities aren't already doing.

As I said before, let's call a spade a spade. The real purpose behind this is pure politics, plain and simple.

[PIK]

People need to be reminded that they can do it. With barbaric Islamic practices, it will people involved or close to it ,that will know what is going on and make a call. Nobody know how much of this is going on in our own back yrrd. But the thought of any of it going on ,sickens me.

[ToadBrother]

People need to be reminded that they can do it. With barbaric Islamic practices, it will people involved or close to it ,that will know what is going on and make a call. Nobody know how much of this is going on in our own back yrrd. But the thought of any of it going on ,sickens me.

So what you're saying is the promised funding is going to be spent on TV spots and posters.

[PIK]

No by saying it during a election while hopefully people are paying attention. Remember when all you people made fun of the unreported crime, well people this is part of what they are talking about.