ToadBrother Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 It's a false analogy. Sure you can find people that that hate each and rationalize reasons to kill each other among many religious and non-religious groups on the planet. Stalin for example, overtly anti-religious, is the largest mass murderer in history, possibly rivaled in second place by Mao, also overtly anti-religious. And no shortage of religious groups have wages war and persecution as well. The question is not about whether humans are capable of holding x, y or z beliefs, and also doing evil. Conclusively, they are. The question is about the core founding beliefs. You raise protestants so use that example. It's difficult to impossible to rationalize that approach from the Jesus teachings. It's quite easy to do so from Mohammed's teachings. There is nothing in Jesus life to use as a precedent for that type of thinking, but plenty in Mohammed's. The violent 'we are better than you and therefore justified in doing harm to you' is intrinsic to the the Muslim faith, inseparable from it's founder and his teaching. While that exists (which will be forever), there will be Muslims who want to be the real-deal, Mohammed-emulating kind, who will endorse, perform, or at least sympathize with those ideas. Mohammed said unbelievers have lower status, should be ruled by Muslims, and should have to pay Muslims to live with them. This is the way people coming from that part of the world think. Not like Vietnamese, not like Ukrainians, not like Indians (the large majority non-muslim), not like Philippinos, not like Chinese. Somalians have been a huge problem in the US, Nigerians and Kenyans have not. What you believe, where you come from matters, and it should matter to us on immigration. Thank you for proving my point. Your claims about Muslims are no different than the views of Catholics put forward in Protestant England after the Gunpowder Plot. Same insanely broad generalizations, same sort of bigotry. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Thank you for proving my point. Your claims about Muslims are no different than the views of Catholics put forward in Protestant England after the Gunpowder Plot. Same insanely broad generalizations, same sort of bigotry. Can you post some original thoughts on anything or must you regurgitate everything? Quote
69cat Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 One more time regarding tfsas http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/tfsa/exclusive-canadians-maxing-out-their-tfsas-from-all-walks-of-life?__lsa=24c9-f06d Pretty even split across the board for all incomes from $5000 to +$250000 are maxing it out. Therefore supporting the Harper Conservative claim that the TFSA program is for everone, that an increase is still for everyone and that the ndp, libs and mainstream media are out right, unrestrained liars to say it is for only the wealthy. And to prove to oneself, ask 20 people personally if they contributed to a TFSAnand then ask if they make more than $125,000/year. That will be your answer without going to a media source of any kind. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 ....This is the way people coming from that part of the world think. Not like Vietnamese, not like Ukrainians, not like Indians (the large majority non-muslim), not like Philippinos, not like Chinese. Somalians have been a huge problem in the US, Nigerians and Kenyans have not. What you believe, where you come from matters, and it should matter to us on immigration. This is a generalization not supported by pooled crime statistics and other measures compared to other domestic and immigrant groups. Somalians have not been a differently "huge problem" in the U.S. when compared to other groups. Example: http://irregulartimes.com/2015/01/31/after-somali-immigrants-arrived-in-minneapolis-did-crime-change-differently-than-in-other-minnesota-cities-fact-check/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Can you post some original thoughts on anything or must you regurgitate everything? Or what, you're going to find me and prove your manhood? Quote
Canada_First Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Or what, you're going to find me and prove your manhood?You've already proven that you're not man enough to meet up.No. It would just be nice to read something original not from the required reading list. Quote
ToadBrother Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 You've already proven that you're not man enough to meet up. No. It would just be nice to read something original not from the required reading list. What does that even mean? It's not like a copied it from Wikipedia. I just happen to have actually cracked open a history book on occasion. Oddly enough, it was the Test Act and the general mistreatment of religious minorities in England that was a significant motivator for the passage of the US First Amendment. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) One more time regarding tfsas http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/tfsa/exclusive-canadians-maxing-out-their-tfsas-from-all-walks-of-life?__lsa=24c9-f06d Pretty even split across the board for all incomes from $5000 to +$250000 are maxing it out. Therefore supporting the Harper Conservative claim that the TFSA program is for everone, that an increase is still for everyone and that the ndp, libs and mainstream media are out right, unrestrained liars to say it is for only the wealthy. And to prove to oneself, ask 20 people personally if they contributed to a TFSAnand then ask if they make more than $125,000/year. That will be your answer without going to a media source of any kind. So 1/5 of 40% (the number that have a TFSA) of Canadians max out their TFSAs. Who's benefitting again? That's 8% of all Canadians. Edited September 16, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
PIK Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Cy again you are wrong, your HDS is showing. I am one of those people that cannot afford to max out. But shortly a old investment of mine will be paying me off and then I can max it out. Just because some people cant do it now, does not mean it is a bad idea. And with a lot of old money coming down the pipeline with the elderly dying off, people thru inheritances can use it. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
G Huxley Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 "So being fiscally responsible makes one a monster. Interesting."As has already been mentioned the conservatives are fiscally reckless e.g. the billion dollars budgeted for two days of security. Quote
69cat Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Cyber, rework your numbers and come back again with a valid argument. What did the artcile say, something like 10.7 million Canadians, you seem to be arguing it is low. Do you think a 4 y/o or 14 y/o is out there wishing they had the opportunity to contribute. And to repeat, yes, TFSA is maxed out fairly evenly across all income ranges. Once again clarifying it is not only for the wealthy but for those with the DESIRE to use it. And so, yes CANADIANS OF ALL INCOME LEVELS ARE BENEFITTING. Let me guess, you your next argument will be that not ALL Canadians are contributing so my statement is wrong. Here is something: Conservative "i would like to do this so i should be able to" Socialist " i cant do it therefore neither should you be able to" Fits pretty well to the TFSA discussion, dont it. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Questioned on what he thought about crime:"Conservative "i would like to do this so i should be able to" Socialist " i cant do it therefore neither should you be able to" Quote
ToadBrother Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Questioned on what he thought about crime: "Conservative "i would like to do this so i should be able to" Socialist " i cant do it therefore neither should you be able to" So remind me how that fits with the Conservatives' positions on prostitution and doctor-assisted suicide? Quote
G Huxley Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Prostitution isn't a crime, and neither is doctor-assisted suicide. On the other hand must we go again on the list of conservatives undergoing trial or recently convicted of crimes? And conservative economics encourages prostitution. Prostitution is much less common in more egalitarian societies like Denmark than in societies where inequality is greater, which I suspect is a pretty obvious Freudian reason why conservatives are so obsessed with gathering person wealth and keeping things inequal so that they can pay for prostitutes. It would also explain why Ottawa has the highest percentage of Ashley Madison accounts of any other city. Edited September 16, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
drummindiver Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Conservative on crime: do the crime, do the time Socialist on crime: do the crime, sorry your mommy didn't breast feed you long enough, society's fault, here's some money to ease your suffering Quote
G Huxley Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) "Conservative on crime: do the crime, do the time"Harper's former spokesman del Maestro is doing some time right now. Meanwhile conservatives Duffy, Brazeau, the Ford brothers and others are trying to weasel their way out of doing time. Well at least Rob did some time in rehab. Edited September 16, 2015 by G Huxley Quote
Evening Star Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 But does this mean that any aspiring politician has to avoid electronic media completely or lie through his teeth for years before he runs for office? You're going to get into heated discussions online if you care as much as these guys do about the questions of the day. We have all said foolish things, and nowadays utterances of all sorts are recorded. Agree with this. I'm not even sure I'd hold a 5-year-old tweet against a 40-year-old, if it's just a matter of heated language and colloquialism. Quote
69cat Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Excellent example on doctor assisted suicide. I think i should have the right to do so. The left, in its usual for-ever-in-fear mindset says i disagree with it and therefore you cant do it. Reasoning, well it will be a slippery slope and we will soon be killing off handicapped and the old. Of course the conservative response is that the main word is "suicide" and no one in human history has suicided someone else. But yeah, perfect example in the difference of thinking. Illegal activity is quite the reach, but hey, if that is the best you guys got for an intelligent discussion then i will let that one stand. Point to you. Hmm, going through a trial in court is weasling ones way out. Interesting thought, how do you think our justice system should work? Quote
ToadBrother Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Excellent example on doctor assisted suicide. I think i should have the right to do so. The left, in its usual for-ever-in-fear mindset says i disagree with it and therefore you cant do it. Reasoning, well it will be a slippery slope and we will soon be killing off handicapped and the old. Of course the conservative response is that the main word is "suicide" and no one in human history has suicided someone else. But yeah, perfect example in the difference of thinking. Illegal activity is quite the reach, but hey, if that is the best you guys got for an intelligent discussion then i will let that one stand. Point to you. Hmm, going through a trial in court is weasling ones way out. Interesting thought, how do you think our justice system should work? You seem to handily redefine "left" to maintain what you obviously realize isn't a sustainable point. As to "suiciding someone", it's done all the time with terminally ill patients suffering horrifying ends. How much morphine does one need to suppress pain, and how much over the line before the central nervous system is suppressed so much that the person stops breathing. Quote
Argus Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Try reading a book one day. So you got nothing. Okay. Re: AQ read Steve Coll's Ghost Wars. Bill Casey who was the head of the CIA was a Catholic Knight of Malta who dreamed of uniting Christian and Muslim fundamentalists in a global crusade against the atheistic comm This is tinfoil hat stuff and I'm not interested in it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) It's a good thing your lawn doesn't cover the entire earth. You could eek out your existence trimming it till you croak then your kids could take over but you'd still never cut it all. It's all good. I pay a guy to take care of it for me. Ain't capitalism great? Edited September 16, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Well actually...if weeds have grown and you chute them out.....they will grow in unexpected places......like your neighbours lawn.... The same guy cuts my neighbours lawn, so it's all good. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Many God-fearing Protestant Anglo-Saxon types certainly thought so. Yeah, okay, but they were wrong. Meanwhile, would you like me to repost the reading on the Koran which says it's okay to rape infidel women? Or the high percentage of Muslims who told pollsters anyone who tried to quit Islam or who blasphemed had to be executed? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Why are opposed a tool that helps people save more of the money? Probably has none, which helps explain his bitterness. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Thank you for proving my point. Your claims about Muslims are no different than the views of Catholics put forward in Protestant England after the Gunpowder Plot. Same insanely broad generalizations, same sort of bigotry. I thought it was quite well-reasoned. No surprise you decided not to counter it with anything but the usual leftist kneejerk insults. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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