On Guard for Thee Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 And that was all held together by a brutal dictator. When he left, no matter how he left, chaos did/would ensue. He left because the US declared (an illegal) war. Ad they had o idea what they were doing other than how to drop bombs. No understanding of the actual politics. Then when they left, they left a ton of heavy duty war materiel, which ISIS is now driving around in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 And that was all held together by a brutal dictator. When he left, no matter how he left, chaos did/would ensue. oh my! Please... let's keep your revisionism of the Iraq war out of this thread! Oh wait... care to take a guess on how many of those current Syrian refugees are actually Iraqi's that initially fled the US/UK illegal invasion of the sovereign state of Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 perhaps you might be inclined to read the following review on that self-serving Harper Conservative press release you think means something: Canada Fails the Test of a Good Society Ok, I read it........an opinion piece by a human rights activists, that compares "human rights violations" in the EU to that of African and Asian nations.......let me know when Europeans start hacking and burning alive other Europeans or hundreds of thousands of European children dying from starvation.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 oh my! Please... let's keep your revisionism of the Iraq war out of this thread! Oh wait... care to take a guess on how many of those current Syrian refugees are actually Iraqi's that initially fled the US/UK illegal invasion of the sovereign state of Iraq? I don't condone that action. The area was always a powder keg waiting for someone to drop a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Ok, I read it........an opinion piece by a human rights activists, that compares "human rights violations" in the EU to that of African and Asian nations.......let me know when Europeans start hacking and burning alive other Europeans or hundreds of thousands of European children dying from starvation.......... Relativism - the new evil from the far left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Ok, I read it........an opinion piece by a human rights activists, that compares "human rights violations" in the EU to that of African and Asian nations.......let me know when Europeans start hacking and burning alive other Europeans or hundreds of thousands of European children dying from starvation.......... clearly... you didn't read it! "Human rights abuses are not tied to any particular continent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Relativism - the new evil from the far left. you really should know when to just go quiet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Ok, I read it........an opinion piece by a human rights activists, that compares "human rights violations" in the EU to that of African and Asian nations.......let me know when Europeans start hacking and burning alive other Europeans or hundreds of thousands of European children dying from starvation.......... Well, it's only been 70 short years since one of the worst "human rights violations" of human history ended in Europe. On a smaller scale, Kosovo was much more recent. And presumably even in the last year, many people in the Ukraine may have had legitimate cause to flee the area. Besides the major events, hatred and discrimination against various minority groups (including historical ones like Jews and Roma) in Europe continues to this very day. If Canada is gonna be taking in refugees, I don't see anything wrong with allowing ones from Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Canada is gonna be taking in refugees, I don't see anything wrong with allowing ones from Europe. Compared to what happens today in much of Africa and the Middle east though, what happens today in Europe is minuscule in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 clearly... you didn't read it! "Human rights abuses are not tied to any particular continent." By all means contrast the ongoing abuses within the EU, abuses that equate to more refugee claimants form Europe than Africa and Asia combined.......I guess for some, the loss of pension benefits or refusal of work permits equate to ethnic cleansing in Syria, Iraq or Sudan, or starvation throughout Africa..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 clearly... you didn't read it! "Human rights abuses are not tied to any particular continent." I don't know if you realize this, but people can read things and a ) dismiss them out of hand, and b ) disagree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 By all means contrast the ongoing abuses within the EU, abuses that equate to more refugee claimants form Europe than Africa and Asia combined Yeah, the fact that there might be claimants from Europe isn't the problem. It's that they were becoming the primary source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I don't condone that action. The area was always a powder keg waiting for someone to drop a match. like I said, please keep your revisionism of the Iraq war out of this thread! By all means contrast the ongoing abuses within the EU, abuses that equate to more refugee claimants form Europe than Africa and Asia combined.......I guess for some, the loss of pension benefits or refusal of work permits equate to ethnic cleansing in Syria, Iraq or Sudan, or starvation throughout Africa..... I can't say it any better than member Bonam did just a few posts back! You clearly have a most short-sighted understanding of what countries make up Europe and relatively recent events! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 like I said, please keep your revisionism of the Iraq war out of this thread! The Iraq war was the match, no question. It just wasn't the powder keg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I don't know if you realize this, but people can read things and a ) dismiss them out of hand, and b ) disagree with them. I don't know if you realize this, but I could give a rats-patooey what you think! I responded... dismissively out of hand and with disagreement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I can't say it any better than member Bonam did just a few posts back! You clearly have a most short-sighted understanding of what countries make up Europe and relatively recent events! The recent events in Hungary that would cause them to be the #1 claimant source must have slipped my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I don't know if you realize this, but I could give a rats-patooey what you think! I responded... dismissively out of hand and with disagreement! Now you're catching on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Well, it's only been 70 short years since one of the worst "human rights violations" of human history ended in Europe. On a smaller scale, Kosovo was much more recent. And presumably even in the last year, many people in the Ukraine may have had legitimate cause to flee the area. Besides the major events, hatred and discrimination against various minority groups (including historical ones like Jews and Roma) in Europe continues to this very day. If Canada is gonna be taking in refugees, I don't see anything wrong with allowing ones from Europe. Sure, but that was in the past, name but one ongoing humanitarian crisis that equates to the goings on in Syria and Iraq.......there are now over 4 million Syrian refugees, with numbers expected to continue to grow......a figure equating to the entire populations of European countries like Ireland, Norway or Finland...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 ..........Make no mistake, leaving ISIS unchecked, allowing it to grow throughout the region, will result in millions more displaced or killed prior to the natural cessation of the conflict. And you know that how exactly? The "war on terror" has been going on almost 3 times as long as WWII. It's cost hundreds of thousands of lives and cost trillions of dollars. It's destroyed the infrastructure of two countries - now they're working on the third. So.... tell me again how we can't afford to help refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 So.... tell me again how we can't afford to help refugees. It would really help if people would point out where anyone has said this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 So.... tell me again how we can't afford to help refugees. Where did I say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 The recent events in Hungary that would cause them to be the #1 claimant source must have slipped my mind. perhaps you should think first... see Roma applicants... see long history of applicants from Hungary being denied! Apparently, you and D2.0 don't recognize the distinction between applications and successful applications! Notwithstanding, of course, it made for handy Harper Conservative propaganda to demonize refugees, at large, abusing the Canadian welfare and health care systems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Sure, but that was in the past, name but one ongoing humanitarian crisis that equates to the goings on in Syria and Iraq.......there are now over 4 million Syrian refugees, with numbers expected to continue to grow......a figure equating to the entire populations of European countries like Ireland, Norway or Finland...... It doesn't have to "equate to" what's going on in Syria. It only has to be bad enough that someone fleeing the area could legitimately be called a refugee. And that could certainly be the case for refugee applications now being processed from Ukraine, for example. And anyway, stuff could happen again in the future, so there's no sense adopting a policy against accepting refugees from Europe. Anyway, I'm not convinced that Canada has a duty to take refugees at all, but if we do take refugees, I see no sense in restricting it to only certain parts of the world. Any refugee claim should stand on its own merit, not on the basis of its continent of origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 perhaps you should think first... see Roma applicants... see long history of applicants from Hungary being denied! Apparently, you and D2.0 don't recognize the distinction between applications and successful applications! Apparently you don't see how that would tie up the system and waste the time of applicants that actually might need help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 ....Anyway, I'm not convinced that Canada has a duty to take refugees at all, but if we do take refugees, I see no sense in restricting it to only certain parts of the world. Any refugee claim should stand on its own merit, not on the basis of its continent of origin. Indeed....seems that all the current refugee excitement has more to do with domestic politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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