waldo Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 .....and when nothing comes of it, will you finally keep your trap shut? and if something comes of it... will you do the same... as you say, finally? Quote
waldo Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Don't worry, after these morons re-elect Harper and go to file their taxes in the spring, they'll realize all too late the slight of hand at play here. surely, the 'educated' electorate won't succumb to HarperSleightOfHand... surely! Quote
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 I guess if you want paved roads ad healthcare you have to pay for it. Giving money back to the highest wage earners is not very smart. Harper gets some votes, we get a lot more debt. So giving money back to the next highest wage earners, as Trudeau has promised, that's okay, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Maybe your meandering diatribe has a point but you've managed to keep it safely hidden. Right wingers across this country were foaming at the mouth with outrage over the misdeeds of the Liberals. Curiously, they can't seem to work up any outrage that the crew that came in to clean things up has not only failed but has been worse. On the contrary, while I'm disappointed with many of the things the Tories have done they've been the best in my memory at not stealing taxpayer money, not taking bribes, and not using taxpayer money to reward campaign contributors and friends. That may be because they're not centered in Quebec like all previous governments have been, of course. But since any replacement government will be Quebec centred, I'm sure we'll see a huge rise in croneyism and corruption which you, of course, will blissfully ignore. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 No it isn't... It certainly does not go to everyone. Everyone with kids. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 So giving money back to the next highest wage earners, as Trudeau has promised, that's okay, right? Giving money back to people who need it is OK...right. Quote
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Giving money back to people who need it is OK...right. That being people who earn up to $89,000 a year... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 One incomer like the PM? Makes 300,000.+ Quote
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 One incomer like the PM? Makes 300,000.+ And that's relevant how? No one making $60k, $70k, $80k NEEDS a tax rebate. We're not talking needs here, we're talking wants. You don't need a big house or a nice car or any of the electronic crap most people routinely waste money on. You need food, clothing and shelter. Should you not be able to afford those I accept that the government should help. But I see no reason why I should feel obligated to provide you with anything more than that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 And that's relevant how? No one making $60k, $70k, $80k NEEDS a tax rebate. We're not talking needs here, we're talking wants. You don't need a big house or a nice car or any of the electronic crap most people routinely waste money on. You need food, clothing and shelter. Should you not be able to afford those I accept that the government should help. But I see no reason why I should feel obligated to provide you with anything more than that. Then don't vote for Harper. He gives your money to millionaires to buy their vote. Quote
poochy Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 and if something comes of it... will you do the same... as you say, finally O surely, because you lot running around claiming to know all of the facts and being completely assured of someones guilt is the same as actually having proved that person guilty, lol. Yes, if he's proven guilty of something im sure we can then agree, like adults...ahem, that he is guilty. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 O surely, because you lot running around claiming to know all of the facts and being completely assured of someones guilt is the same as actually having proved that person guilty, lol. Yes, if he's proven guilty of something im sure we can then agree, like adults...ahem, that he is guilty. Sure you're on the right thread? Quote
poochy Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 And that's relevant how? No one making $60k, $70k, $80k NEEDS a tax rebate. We're not talking needs here, we're talking wants. You don't need a big house or a nice car or any of the electronic crap most people routinely waste money on. You need food, clothing and shelter. Should you not be able to afford those I accept that the government should help. But I see no reason why I should feel obligated to provide you with anything more than that. Your good fortune is only a product of a broken system, and therefore you and I or anyone else that is doing well does not really deserve what we haven't actually worked for. There is not one single opinion here from this bunch that can't be watered down to that. They are Marxists who don't have the courage to admit to it. Quote
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Then don't vote for Harper. He gives your money to millionaires to buy their vote. Seen no evidence of that. I do know that both Trudeau and Mulcair advocate ruinous policies as well as increasing my taxes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Sure you're on the right thread? Why would you say that? Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Seen no evidence of that. I do know that both Trudeau and Mulcair advocate ruinous policies as well as increasing my taxes. Sorry, part of the evidence is the UCCB. Give you a hint, it's the U part of it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Why would you say that? Because the comment seems not to apply to the thread? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Because the comment seems not to apply to the thread? Then why did you initiate things with another of your inane comments (#193)....???? Just a reminder, a week tuesday Nigel takes the stand. Quote Back to Basics
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Sorry, part of the evidence is the UCCB. Give you a hint, it's the U part of it. How could that be when you've already pointed out yourself that richer folks will have this taxed back anyway? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 How could that be when you've already pointed out yourself that richer folks will have this taxed back anyway? It's giving it to them in the first place that's the problem. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 On the contrary, while I'm disappointed with many of the things the Tories have done they've been the best in my memory at not stealing taxpayer money, not taking bribes, and not using taxpayer money to reward campaign contributors and friends. That may be because they're not centered in Quebec like all previous governments have been, of course. But since any replacement government will be Quebec centred, I'm sure we'll see a huge rise in croneyism and corruption which you, of course, will blissfully ignore. Oh. "disappointed". I don't recall words anywhere near that mild being used back when the right wingers were foaming at the mouth about the Liberal scandals. Are you "disappointed" that your heroes have been repeatedly caught cheating at election time? To the point where one of them went to prison? Are you "disappointed" that somehow the the Conservative database was used in an attempt to disenfranchise voters in the robocalls scandal? And that somehow only one low level scapegoat was left to take the fall? Are you "disappointed" that your majesty's chief of staff was paying off a corrupt senator? And somehow "forgot" to mention it to the chief crook? Are you "disappointed" that hundreds of millions of our dollars have gone into thinly disguised Conservative advertisements? I guess you can only manage to go from disappointed to upset when there is a government that helps poor people. And acts to save the planet from destruction. And refrains from tax giveaways to multi-billion dollar corporations. And manages to avoid trade deals that favour corporations over its own citizens. Until then, I'm disappointed that you are merely disappointed. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 People seem puzzled by the contempt I have for the current bunch of knuckle-dragging sleaze balls. It would be one thing of the current crop of Conservatives were merely a bunch of people with wrong headed policies. It's one thing to espouse policies that favour business over all else; the poor, the arts, the environment, the health of the citizens. However, it's quite another thing to be willing to do what the current crop of degenerates has done in order to keep its grip on power. They've cheated on elections, gagged scientists and public officials, bent the election rules in their own favor, centralized power in the PMO to levels unprecedented in the recent past, stripped MP's of what little influence they had, and worst of all, politicized institutions that were designed to be non-partisan, including the Supreme Court, the GG, Elections Canada and the Parliamentary Budget Office. In doing so, they are undermining the fundamentals of democracy in this country. So, those of you who worship at the Holy Order of Small Government or the Church of the Conservative Party can go ahead and lie to your selves. Tell yourself Harper's not as bad as Trudeau or what he's doing really isn't all that bad. And the best you can do is be "disappointed". Spend the tax dollars you think you're saving like the 30 pieces of silver it is. There are prominent conservative voices in this country who are principled enough to see Harper for who he is and call him on it. People like Andrew Coyne, Joe Clark and Preston Manning. I may not agree with these people on policy. But at least I can respect them for having the integrity to call it like it is. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 It's giving it to them in the first place that's the problem. You realize how patently silly your position is? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) People seem puzzled by the contempt I have for the current bunch of knuckle-dragging sleaze balls. Right back at ya. It would be one thing of the current crop of Conservatives were merely a bunch of people with wrong headed policies. It's one thing to espouse policies that favour business over all else; I bet you can't even name these policies. However, it's quite another thing to be willing to do what the current crop of degenerates has done in order to keep its grip on power. They've cheated on elections, gagged scientists and public officials, bent the election rules in their own favor, centralized power in the PMO to levels unprecedented in the recent past, stripped MP's of what little influence they had, and worst of all, politicized institutions that were designed to be non-partisan, including the Supreme Court, the GG, Elections Canada and the Parliamentary Budget Office. In doing so, they are undermining the fundamentals of democracy in this country. I don't suppose you'd believe that Chretien's government did all that and more, right? Cheated on elections? How? One MP overspent his own money. I guess that's earth shattering compared to the Chretien government awarding phoney contracts to advertising agencies in return for free work for the party during elections, right? Silenced public officials, eh? I suppose you've never heard of the president of the Business Development Bank of Canada, who Chretien not only fired when he dared to try and call in a loan to one of Chretien's criminal croneys, but then sicked the RCMP on and tried very hard to have arrested. But that's not important, right? Centralized power in the PMO? Were you born yesterday? Because that is a process which has been well underway since Pierre Trudeau, who famously called MPs nobodies. It's like you self-righteous lefties were born when Harper was elected, and are completely ignorant about every other government which has gone before. Edited August 2, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 You realize how patently silly your position is? Right back at ya. Quote
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