WWWTT Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Sounds like you've finally woken up to the fact that the Harperite bunch are as corrupt as any administration Canada has had, at least on modern history. I wasn't making any claim that they weren't. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 imagine that! Two guys presuming to tie... directly tie and associate Ontario provincial and federal Liberal parties. And here I thought that argument would reflect upon position/policy - go figure. Is the Ontario PC party the same party as the federal CPC party... because Patrick Brown offers support to Stephen Harper? C'mon guys - try again... try harder! In some specific situations a case can be made. Justin was campaigning for Ontario liberal candidates more than once in bi elections, etc etc regardless, it's not worth all that much of comment time. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Thanks to health care transfer payment cuts. Something the federal liberals are famous for doing. But the liberals never talk about how they are still responsible for something that they started. Hence the Canada that never was. WWWTT Huh. Maybe cuz the Liberals had a string of surpluses. Which they gave to the Conservatives. Who promptly turned it into a string of deficits. But hey, they're the competent financial managers, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 But hey, they're the competent financial managers, right? Never said they were. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 imagine that! Two guys presuming to tie... directly tie and associate Ontario provincial and federal Liberal parties. And here I thought that argument would reflect upon position/policy - go figure. In what way are are they significantly different? For me, personally, Trudeau's enthusiastic embracing of every left wing fad policy, with a total absence of thought as to consequences, strikes me as eerily similar to Dalton McGuinty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Huh. Maybe cuz the Liberals had a string of surpluses. Which they gave to the Conservatives. Who promptly turned it into a string of deficits. But hey, they're the competent financial managers, right? Yes, they are. The Liberals had surpluses because the economy was booming, and because Jean Chretien just did not give a DAMN about serious problems in the country as long as the opposition was weak and divided. He wasn't going to spend money until presented with a serious political threat. He wanted a big surplus to play with for when that happened. Of course, he actually spent most of the surplus when he realized Martin was kicking him out, because he didn't want to leave Martin much to play with. Then Martin, Mister Stingy, made huge and expensive promises in the following election, which he lost anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Sorry, to what government are you referring? Can't be the Harperites. Do you know of any previous government which was more honest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 If this wins Harper the election, where going to see some grumpy feminist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Do you know of any previous government which was more honest? Huh. All of them, maybe, in living memory. I'm trying to think of the last Federal cabinet minister that went to prison. I'm drawing a blank. Although Mulroney should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Yes, they are. The Liberals had surpluses because the economy was booming, and because Jean Chretien just did not give a DAMN about serious problems in the country as long as the opposition was weak and divided. He wasn't going to spend money until presented with a serious political threat. He wanted a big surplus to play with for when that happened. Of course, he actually spent most of the surplus when he realized Martin was kicking him out, because he didn't want to leave Martin much to play with. Then Martin, Mister Stingy, made huge and expensive promises in the following election, which he lost anyway. Hogwash. They created the problem with a poorly conceived and ill-timed cut to the GST. Then they proceeded to abandon their own core principles with the stimulus plan. And the stimulus plan itself with the most partisan process in living memory. Principled and thinking conservatives have no time for this government. The very best they can come up with is that they think maybe it wasn't as bad as the LIberals. And even that line is highly dubious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just in case all you people who worship at the throne of Stephen Harper forgot, here is a handy list of Canadian Government scandals. The portion of the list that is allocated to the current bunch of ethically challenged ideologues is impressively long, though still incomplete. It doesn't include Del Mastro's criminal election fraud, for example, or Peter McKay's misuse of a military helicopter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Huh. All of them, maybe, in living memory. I'm trying to think of the last Federal cabinet minister that went to prison. I'm drawing a blank. Although Mulroney should have. No tory cabinet minister went to prison. Apparently to you a guy who spends too much of his own money on an election is worse than people taking bags full of money under the table in shady Italian restaurants, or using government money to pay off their business partners, as Chretien did. Apparently that's worse than taking millions from government vendors, after you retire, of course, as Mulroney did. Apparently it's worse than the letting a campaign donor get huge, overpriced government contracts to deliver goods, as Trudeau did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Just in case all you people who worship at the throne of Stephen Harper forgot, here is a handy list of Canadian Government scandals. The portion of the list that is allocated to the current bunch of ethically challenged ideologues is impressively long, though still incomplete. It doesn't include Del Mastro's criminal election fraud, for example, or Peter McKay's misuse of a military helicopter. It's kind of a pathetic list, obviously put in by a young editor who doesn't remember much of the Chretien or Mulroney years, and nothing of the Trudeau years. They seem to have forgotten Chretien's HRDC scandal, for one, and the BDBC scandal, not to mention the coverup over the Somali inquiry and tainted blood scandal. Oh, and let's not forget the firearms registry scandal. There's probably lots more but I can't immediately remember them. Edited July 31, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 No tory cabinet minister went to prison. Apparently to you a guy who spends too much of his own money on an election is worse than people taking bags full of money under the table in shady Italian restaurants, or using government money to pay off their business partners, as Chretien did. Apparently that's worse than taking millions from government vendors, after you retire, of course, as Mulroney did. Apparently it's worse than the letting a campaign donor get huge, overpriced government contracts to deliver goods, as Trudeau did. You have heard of Dean Del Mastro, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Just in case all you people who worship at the throne of Stephen Harper Is it possible for you to be more ridiculous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 When ever a Tory MP gets on TV, they keep saying they care about taxpayers money BUT with a chance of the PM seeing the GG on Sunday, they will be spending double the amount of our money for an election, to get an edge on the other two parties and to stop any of those ads coming from other groups against the Tories. So all those people getting cheques in the mail, enjoy them because ALL of us will be paying more taxes down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Is it possible for you to be more ridiculous? I could try but I still couldn't match the people who will support Harper no matter how corrupt he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) You have heard of Dean Del Mastro, no? Did you not read Argus's post? Del Mastro was never a Cabinet Minister - or didn't you know that? Edited July 31, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 When ever a Tory MP gets on TV, they keep saying they care about taxpayers money BUT with a chance of the PM seeing the GG on Sunday, they will be spending double the amount of our money for an election, to get an edge on the other two parties and to stop any of those ads coming from other groups against the Tories. So all those people getting cheques in the mail, enjoy them because ALL of us will be paying more taxes down the road. The cheques are just another example of slimy Harper underhandedness. What they've actually done is replace the old child tax credit with the UCCB. It's a bit of sleight of hand that allows them to give money in a very obvious way while taking it back in a way most people won't see. It's beneath contempt. It works because most people are too busy or not interested enough to pay attention. It makes me despair for democracy. If people aren't bright enough or can't be bothered to see through this transparently dishonest behavior, what hope is there to elect an honest government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 You have heard of Dean Del Mastro, no? He was a cabinet minister? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Did you not read Argus's post? Del Mastro was never a Cabinet Minister - or didn't you know that? Correct. He was only Harper's parliamentary secretary, and... wait for it, it get's even better, he was a member of the ethics committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 The cheques are just another example of slimy Harper underhandedness. What they've actually done is replace the old child tax credit with the UCCB. How much tax do you think poor people pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I could try but I still couldn't match the people who will support Harper no matter how corrupt he gets. Unhuh, yet you don't seem to understand why the others don't vote for the club that might want you as a member, and while your busy believing in your superiority and being outraged while looking foolish doing so, the evil empire has been winning elections for the last decade. Many of you believed the CPC's were evil even before they got elected the first time, some of you fully bought into the troops in the streets, women in the kitchen, ban abortion, ban gay marriage, private health care, etc, evil agenda, none of which was true, and now you have been beating the same desiccated horse for 10 years, a winning strategy? Perhaps not. Unless your goal is to appear ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) How much tax do you think poor people pay? I don't know, how much do you think? Give it a rest, it has next to little impact on how the vote buying system with this issue is working. I doubt a lot of poor people are going to be convinced to vote for Harper over this deal. People who don't need the money, maybe so, or at least until they see it gets mostly all clawed back at tax time. Edited July 31, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 The cheques are just another example of slimy Harper underhandedness. What they've actually done is replace the old child tax credit with the UCCB. It's a bit of sleight of hand that allows them to give money in a very obvious way while taking it back in a way most people won't see. It's beneath contempt. It works because most people are too busy or not interested enough to pay attention. It makes me despair for democracy. If people aren't bright enough or can't be bothered to see through this transparently dishonest behavior, what hope is there to elect an honest government? You are going to be soooo angry when the NDP spends our money on a day care program, and imagine those stupid people who voted for them because they offered it, they might even use it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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