Big Guy Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 It appears a person from the Middle East has taken a gun to a Tennessee military recruiting office and killed 4 soldiers. The media and US government calls this a case of "domestic terrorism" and a tragic aberration by bad people. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html The Americans drop a bomb in the Middle East (Iraq or Syria or Libya or ...) and take out a complete recruiting center and the Americans praise them as heroes. A "radical terrorist" from the Middle East takes out 4 soldiers in an American recruiting center and it is an abomination and terrorist act. The USA is at war with many factions in the world. If one of those factions retaliates then why is there outrage and surprise. When you go to war and start dropping bombs on peoples houses then you must expect that they will retaliate. There are consequences to initiating a war. You don't want retaliation then don't drop those bombs. This is war. You do not make rules in war. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 There are actually rules in war. At least nation vs nation wars. That's what the Geneva conventions are all about. Quote
Shady Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Also I don't believe anyone is really all that outraged or surprised when an Islamic militant retaliates to their perceived injustices. Quote
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) I'm neither outraged nor surprised. If it does turn out to be ISIS, or other Islamic extremism related, then I applaud him for going after uniformed service people. I'm sorry they are dead, as much as I am happy he is, but like you say, that's war. Edited July 17, 2015 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post in quotation Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 I'm neither outraged nor surprised. If it does turn out to be ISIS, or other Islamic extremism related, then I applaud him for going after uniformed service people. I'm sorry they are dead, as much as I am happy he is, but like you say, that's war. Great...then I am sure that there would be equal "applause" for ISIS attacks on the Queen of Canada, being the head of state of a nation "dropping bombs" on people. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Great...then I am sure that there would be equal "applause" for ISIS attacks on the Queen of Canada, being the head of state of a nation "dropping bombs" on people. Better than innocents. I never blamed the IRA when they went after soldiers, even though I was there. I hated it when they went after kids in restaurants. It's the same with any "terrorists". I pick my side, but I don't blame their side for fighting back. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Better than innocents. I never blamed the IRA when they went after soldiers, even though I was there. I hated it when they went after kids in restaurants. It's the same with any "terrorists". I pick my side, but I don't blame their side for fighting back. No problem....just wanted to confirm that you would applaud such an attack on the Canadian head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the Canadian Armed Forces. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 No problem....just wanted to confirm that you would applaud such an attack on the Canadian head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the Canadian Armed Forces. Well, I'd still rather they killed the attacker first. I would have rather that happened today too. But if you're going to be in a war, look after your people. That applies to HRH too. Although I'm sure she is fairly well looked after. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Well, I'd still rather they killed the attacker first. I would have rather that happened today too. But if you're going to be in a war, look after your people. That applies to HRH too. Although I'm sure she is fairly well looked after. Why? Aren't they "honourable soldiers" fighting the evil infidels that are dropping bombs on people? But to be sure, you would still "applaud" shooting and killing HRH because that is war, right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Why? Aren't they "honourable soldiers" fighting the evil infidels that are dropping bombs on people? But to be sure, you would still "applaud" shooting and killing HRH because that is war, right ? Sure. I'd miss her, but she is a target. So be as sure as you want. Quote
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Why? Aren't they "honourable soldiers" fighting the evil infidels that are dropping bombs on people? Hey, I'm on your side. But do you really want an enemy that never actually shoots back? Quote
Argus Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 It appears a person from the Middle East has taken a gun to a Tennessee military recruiting office and killed 4 soldiers. The media and US government calls this a case of "domestic terrorism"Mackenzie's dignity and pride were important to her. But forbidden lust burned within her mind, with dreams of bondage and punishment she could confess to no one. When her sour, religious landlord discovers her secret he is determined to punish her, but is tempted by the co-ed's lush young body. Mackenzie finds herself living her fantasies with a man she despises, and who despises her in return! The person involved was a United States citizen living in the United States. Duh. A "radical terrorist" from the Middle East takes out 4 soldiers in an American recruiting center and it is an abomination and terrorist act. The USA is at war with many factions in the world. If one of those factions retaliates then why is there outrage and surprise. When you go to war and start dropping bombs on peoples houses then you must expect that they will retaliate. There are consequences to initiating a war. You don't want retaliation then don't drop those bombs. This is war. You do not make rules in war. What you appear to be saying is that you believe acts of terrorism against the United States, and by extension, Canada, are perfectly justified. This is the same sort of mentality which says that an serial killer is justified for shooting at the police who are attempting to arrest him. It ignores the fact the US and the West had nothing to do with ISIS until they started slaughtering untold numbers of innocent people and engaging in mass rape and the buying and selling of sex slaves. According to Big Guy, I guess, that's fine and no one should bother to interfere. I imagine he'd be saying the same if he was alive in 1940 "Leave those Nazis alone. It's not our business if they want to murder millions of Jews". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Better than innocents. I never blamed the IRA when they went after soldiers, even though I was there. I hated it when they went after kids in restaurants. It's the same with any "terrorists". I pick my side, but I don't blame their side for fighting back. There is no side here, unless it's the side of good and evil. How explicitly bad does a group have to be before progressives are willing to unreservedly condemn them? I guess if you've got brown skin then genocide, burning prisoners alive and the buying and selling of underage sex slaves is to be shrugged off as just a quaint cultural thing we mustn't interfere with. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) There is no side here, unless it's the side of good and evil. How explicitly bad does a group have to be before progressives are willing to unreservedly condemn them? I guess if you've got brown skin then genocide, burning prisoners alive and the buying and selling of underage sex slaves is to be shrugged off as just a quaint cultural thing we mustn't interfere with. Not sure how you get that from my quoted post, or indeed, any of my posts on here. Maybe some clarification? I unreservedly condemn them, for all you have described and more. But the fact is, bullets are being exchanged, and if they are coming in this direction, there can be no complaints if they are aimed at the military who are sending them in that direction. Edit> This is with the understanding that this was that kind of action. I haven't heard anything on that yet. Edited July 16, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
Shady Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 I for one look forward to Obama's euolgy of the slain marines. Oh wait, none of them were black? Never mind then. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 Hey, I'm on your side. But do you really want an enemy that never actually shoots back? Nope.....not on my side with that kind of thinking. Don't worry, HRH would still take a bullet for you. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) I keep hearing of this good vs evil crap that those with questionable comprehensive abilities try to use to justify killing. The old "God is on our side" crap and therefore our foes are evil. But I assume these misguided believe in miracles; Those "evil" Germans are now good people, North Vietnamese finally found God and now are our trading partners. The Japanese must have been sprinkled with "good guy" dust over the years after the last war since they are now our friends. But the simplistic may continue their courageous interpretation of war. If a Canadian (or Iraqi) citizen in Iraq, stormed into an ISIS compound and took out 4 fighters while getting killed then he/she would be celebrated in Canada as a hero and martyr. Those folks who are ISIS did not beam down from an alien craft. They are Iraqi, Syrian, Afghani, Libyan, Lebanese etc citizens. They live there. That is their land. They have been joined by thousands of others from around the world who are upset with what the Western troops are doing in the Middle East. Any time you engage in shooting at and killing an organized group then you have to expect that they are going to try to shoot back and kill some of you. Of course it is an aberration of humanity to kill others - be they white, black, brown, yellow or whatever. Does anybody really believe that there would be terrorist attacks in Canada if we would have minded our own business and let those civil wars in the Middle East settle themselves. It was (and still is) fairly popular because dropping Canadian bombs over there is like shooting fish in a barrel but why should we be surprised when some of those "fish" try to bite back if/when they get a chance - especially when we kill the "good" fish along with the "bad" fish and write that off as collateral damage and blame the fish for being in that barrel. There are consequences to any action. We are being played like a fine fiddle. Edited July 17, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 Nope.....not on my side with that kind of thinking. Don't worry, HRH would still take a bullet for you. Like it or not. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) ....Does anybody really believe that there would be terrorist attacks in Canada if we would have minded our own business and let those civil wars in the Middle East settle themselves. Oh...so it's OK for "them" to terrorize each other just as long as the good people of Canada aren't bothered but can still exploit their natural resources? Marvelous... Edited July 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) . Edited July 17, 2015 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) I for one look forward to Obama's euolgy of the slain marines. Oh wait, none of them were black? Never mind then.Cite? You wouldn't make things up about the Marines to make a charged political statement at his time would you? That would be uncharacteristically low.Okay, maybe perfectly characteristic. Edited July 17, 2015 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Shady Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 Cite? You wouldn't make things up about the Marines to make a charged political statement at his time would you? That would be uncharacteristically low. Okay, maybe perfectly characteristic. It's ok. He only does eulogies and stuff when he's got a political agenda to push. Otherwise, just a quick comment and he moves on. Quote
BubberMiley Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 It's ok. He only does eulogies and stuff when he's got a political agenda to push. Otherwise, just a quick comment and he moves on.Yes, I agree. But where did you read none of the marines were black? Or would you like to retract that statement? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Argus Posted July 18, 2015 Report Posted July 18, 2015 I keep hearing of this good vs evil crap that those with questionable comprehensive abilities try to use to justify killing. The old "God is on our side" crap and therefore our foes are evil. I think those of us who have some sense of moral judgement can fairly easily determine that groups which engage in mass rape, including gang banging children, selling them as sex slaves, burning prisoners alive, drowning prisoners, and engaging in the mass execution of both civilians and military prisoners -- can be safely designated as evil. But I suppose those who pride themselves on having no moral judgement whatsoever, can be confused about such things. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2015 Report Posted July 18, 2015 Yes, I agree. But where did you read none of the marines were black? Or would you like to retract that statement? Here are the "black"....err...non-white...err...Marines of "colour" killed in Chattanooga: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/chattanooga-shooting/chattanooga-shooting-marines-identify-victims-including-recipient-purple-heart-n393996 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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