maplesyrup Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 The NDP's New Face for Business Finally NDPers are begining to see the light, and are realizing you have to gain power, if you are going to effect meaningful change. There has been this constant battle from the beginning in the the NDP over whether or not they want to be the moral compass of the nation. Thank goodness they have chosen to reject that crap, and plan to go for the gusto from now on. You can feel the shift in the party as it moves more to the centre to win future elections. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Big Blue Machine Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 The middle is where all the votes are. Any party should try to move to the middle. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
August1991 Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 Am I the only person who has noted that all left-wing business people operate organic, high-end retail food companies that market specifically to urban customers? Quote
Guest eureka Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 I think that the great problem for the NDP is that it did shift towards the centre with Broadbent. It seemed the right move at the time and won some support. However, it took them from part of its natural constituency in the poorer sector and alienated its, always tenuous since WWII, base in the unions. When it can recover that, a fair number from the middle will also come to it. After all, much of its present sipport is in the middle and, intellectually, always will be. Quote
playfullfellow Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 Am I the only person who has noted that all left-wing business people operate organic, high-end retail food companies that market specifically to urban customers? I do know a few who are not, well almost not, they are farmers, mostly in BC though. And they were not always organic. If you would have used the word mostly instead of all, then you would have hit it right on the head. Quote
Slavik44 Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 I woudl like to see the NDP elect soemone like that, as leader of their party, it would make it alot easier for me to vote NDP, as James just isn't resonating with me. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
maplesyrup Posted November 10, 2004 Author Report Posted November 10, 2004 Do you remember the conditions when James was elected leader? No one gave the NDP any chance of forming the next government. Now that the NDP has a good chance of winning the next election in BC, James deserves a lot of the credit for the NDP turnaround. So far James' strategy is working quite well, and if she is able to keep the NDP on message, that they are good for ordinary BCers, the NDP stands a good chance of winning. The NDP however is more than one person, although the leader is the face that most people get to know during an election campaign. But for those of you who think labour with not be four-square behind the NDP, you are sadly mistaken. Labour will be supporting the NDP in the coming election like they never had before. If you have any doubts about that just look at labour's involvement in the recent Surrey Panorama Ridge by-election. That was considered a very safe Liberal seat and look what happened. Not too shabby for James' first kick at the can. As long as Campbell is their leader I am not sure there are very many safe Liberal seats in BC any more. Just see how many Liberals have announced they are not running again. The key for BCers in the next election will be to remove Campbell from office. That will be the overriding priority for most voters in May, 2005. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
takeanumber Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 What's wrong with providing food that urban people want to eat? Do you have something against the free market August? Quote
Stoker Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 But for those of you who think labour with not be four-square behind the NDP, you are sadly mistaken. Labour will be supporting the NDP in the coming election like they never had before. I agree with MS here........Carol James is in bed with all union leadership in BC....... Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Big Blue Machine Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 Any NDP leader is in bed with all union leaders. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
maplesyrup Posted November 10, 2004 Author Report Posted November 10, 2004 But for those of you who think labour with not be four-square behind the NDP, you are sadly mistaken. Labour will be supporting the NDP in the coming election like they never had before. I agree with MS here........Carol James is in bed with all union leadership in BC....... Yup, Carol James wants to represent ordinary working people, students, and seniors. Imagine that. Always get a chuckle when I hear people complain about elections and unions. Have you ever done a comparison between the amount of money corporations donate compared to unions in an election campaign? What is the spending ratio: 5 to 1, 10 to 1, in favour of corporations? I agree with what Chretien did federally which was to eliminate the process where elections could be bot by large corporation donations, or unions for that matter. Campbell has a massive majority government, so why doesn't he do the same thing in BC? Yup Carol James is in bed with unions. That's why Judy Darcy lost her nomination to a small businessperson. And that's why the NDP's candidate in the recent by-election in Surrey Panorama Ridge was from the business community. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
kimmy Posted November 10, 2004 Report Posted November 10, 2004 Am I the only person who has noted that all left-wing business people operate organic, high-end retail food companies that market specifically to urban customers? Don't forget "fair trade" coffee shops! -kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
maplesyrup Posted November 10, 2004 Author Report Posted November 10, 2004 Those dirty Social Democrats. Imagine the nerve of them wanting to operate ethical and healthy businesses, eh! Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Stoker Posted November 11, 2004 Report Posted November 11, 2004 Maple, you seem puzzled: If you have any doubts about that just look at labour's involvement in the recent Surrey Panorama Ridge by-election. That was considered a very safe Liberal seat and look what happened. Not too shabby for James' first kick at the can. Here you imply Labour had something to do with the election And here: Yup Carol James is in bed with unions. That's why Judy Darcy lost her nomination to a small businessperson. And that's why the NDP's candidate in the recent by-election in Surrey Panorama Ridge was from the business community. You appear to distance the election results from labour.... Yup, Carol James wants to represent ordinary working people, students, and seniors. Imagine that. What, 25% of working people? And of those 25%, how many vote NDP? I agree with what Chretien did federally which was to eliminate the process where elections could be bot by large corporation donations, or unions for that matter. Campbell has a massive majority government, so why doesn't he do the same thing in BC? I do agree with you here, on both points. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
maplesyrup Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Posted November 11, 2004 The NDP, if it aspires to be the federal government some day needs to represent ordinary Canadians, from the business community, and from labour unions, and elsewhere as well. One thing that always amazes me is the connection between small business owners and the multinational executives. If you check the income tax laws there is no connection, and small business owners would be much better off, breaking away from the multinational executives, and lobbying on their own. They have almost nothing in common. It seems that the NDP is getting that message and is opening its doors wide open to the small business community. Good on them! Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Stoker Posted November 11, 2004 Report Posted November 11, 2004 One thing that always amazes me is the connection between small business owners and the multinational executives. The reasons simple, the small business guy, most likely understands that conditions that allow big business to do well, are also the same for small business. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
maplesyrup Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Posted November 11, 2004 One thing that always amazes me is the connection between small business owners and the multinational executives. The reasons simple, the small business guy, most likely understands that conditions that allow big business to do well, are also the same for small business. Wrong. Small business thrive in a competitive environment, muntinationals thrive in a monopolistic environment. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
August1991 Posted November 11, 2004 Report Posted November 11, 2004 And small businessmen thrive selling organic food products to metrosexuals when they run as NDP candidates. It's no lose - their right-wing customers laugh and their left-wing customers admire. Progressive, committed. Ka-shing! Unless the candidate wins. No problem there, either. The candidate turns into... Rodrigue Biron! (For anglos: Peter Pocklington, Richard Branson, Morton Shulman, Sinclair Stevens, Paul Martin, Ben & Jerry... ) Quote
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