Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Assad is responsible for a hell of a lot more of those refugees and I don't see us whipping out our F 18's to go after him. From what I've read a lot of it is because of those barrel bombs he keeps dropping into civilian neighborhoods. Maybe a quick pass to wipe out his air force before the Russians arrive to protect him would help. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Likely because he is now an ally when it comes to fighting ISIS!!!. Strange world. Assad is no kind of Ally. But the West is now worried about what to do given that his disappearance would almost certainly let ISIS take over, and they would be even worse in all respects. Supporting him, on the other hand, is not really an option. It's a bloody mess. It's hard to see any good way out here. As bad as he is I think right now the best thing which could happen to Syria would be for him to win and wipe out all the rebels. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Nazi Germany and more recent Serbia were examples of religious right. Nazis pointing to Jews as Chris killers murdered some 6 million innocent people and yes many homosexuals too. Serbia murdered and raped many Muslims. In North America mainly US but Canada too religious right wishes to build a pure Christian society where religious laws are being practiced. Fortunately they don't have many supporters in Canada so they hide in the sheep's clothing and call themselves Reformers and more recent progressive Conservatives even!!. You seem to have a lot of trouble differentiating between groups of people even while suggesting that labeling groups of people is wrong. The difference between what you are calling 'the religious right' in Serbia and Nazi Germany, and the religious right in the United States are so profound it is like you're comparing the NDP to Pol Pot. And comparing them to the Reform party and Conservatives is even stupider, it's just dumb on an epic scale. Edited September 7, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Oh sure... of course - just another thinly veiled jab How is that thinly veiled? He's comparing Conservatives to the German Nazis. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 facepalm/ What's your solution, sport? I'm guessing it's a variation on do nothing and hope things get better. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 I'll take foreigners 9 times out of 10 over the lazy morons this country produces. If you don't like Canadians you know, you're free to take up residence somewhere else. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 A handful of planes is just a tiny part of the effort and probably wouldn't even be missed. It's funny how you guys don't make the same claim about our contribution to reducing CO2 emissions. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) The difference between what you are calling 'the religious right' in Serbia and Nazi Germany, and the religious right in the United States are so profound it is like you're comparing the NDP to Pol Pot. Oh the same religious right in the US, the so called white supremacists wearing white clothing and masks coming out of churches and later who burned or murdered blacks? Yes they are different!!!!!!. Edited September 7, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) I was just thinking the same thing. For the most part, these refugees are risk-takers and have been able to accumulate enough funds to pay hefty smuggling fees. You know who else is a risk taker? Pirates, drug smugglers and dealers, thieves, killers. Risk taker? That's one way to look at it. You could also say these are the ones who don't care about the rules and only care about themselves, who are willing to break every rule, demand their way, and force their way where they aren't wanted to make themselves richer. And I'm talking about the ones making their way north into Europe, not the ones who simply crossed into Turkey to be safe. Edited September 7, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Oh the same religious right in the US, the so called white supremacists wearing white clothing and masks coming out of churches and later who burned or murdered blacks? Yes they are different!!!!!!. This is just dumbness on such a pure level that it's hard to do more than shake my head. Sure there are some white supremacists in the US, but once again, for a guy who's busy whining about other people thinking all Muslims are as bad as the worst, you seem to have no problem assuming all conservatives are as bad as the worst you can think of, even going back to Nazi Germany. You seem to be on the left side of the political spectrum. So I'm going to assume you want to set up gulags and take away all our rights and freedoms, then start executing anyone who disagrees with your ideological beliefs. That's on a par with your attitude. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Mighty AC Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 So in your opinion what is that number....as i was thinking 25k and that might be high....after that what does Canada tell the refugees sorry were filled to capacity.... I'm not sure what the ideal number would be. When we hit our budgeted cap for the year, we lean on allies in the UN to do their share. Though, the fact that our diplomatic relations throughout the world have become strained under Harper and our declining interest in peace keeping and humanitarian aid would make that difficult. It will take many years to repair the damage this government has done to our international reputation and our diplomatic relationships. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Scotty, It shows your weakness when you distort what I post and even more weakness when you throw unfounded accusations and much worse (I refrain from wording it out of respect for the board) when you throw insults. I never said all reformers and conservatives are religious right but said there are some elements infiltrated in them. Look at what they oppose. They oppose doctor assisted suicide, abortion, consensual pay for sex between adults, gay marriage,.... These are the religious right who have influenced the progressive conservatives. Last time I heard it was a right wing government who brought in bill C51 in an undemocratic manner which took away our rights and freedom. Also it was again a conservative government who showed its contempt for the Supreme Court of Canada many times over and opposed its ruling (as an example by undemocratically imposing bill C36) not the left side of political spectrum. And by the way I am Centre Right which is far from the left side of spectrum so you made another obvious error in judgment. Edited September 7, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Though, the fact that our diplomatic relations throughout the world have become strained under Harper I'm tired of this meme. It's stupid and has never had any support other than the fact Muslim countries are less happy with us when we went along with their continual, hypocritical attacks on Israel. Even now, with Syria killing tens of thousands with barrel bombs, and ISIS committing genocide Muslim countries remain fixated on pushing through UN resolutions to condemn Israel for human rights abuses. It's freaking stupid and moronic and I'm glad we don't go along with it any more. We don't need their good will if it means acting like a lap dog to brutal dictators. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Scotty, It shows your weakness when you distort what I post and even more weakness when you throw unfounded accusations and much worse You want respect, buddy, don't go comparing mainstream western political groups to Adolph Hitler. It's dumb and it's insulting. I never said all reformers and conservatives are religious right but said there are some elements in them. And there are elements of extreme communism and Marxism in the NDP and Liberals. Tiny ones. So what? Look at what they oppose. They oppose doctor assisted suicide, abortion, consensual pay for sex between adults, gay marriage,.... That is the dumbest list I've ever seen in my life to use to justify calling people Nazis. Since when did opposing prostitution put you in the same class as Nazis? You know, with that kind of an all encompassing hate for those on the other side of the political fence that puts your views up there in the same category as Pol Pot. Do you want to put people into death camps who oppose your views? By the way, every Muslim nation opposes doctor assisted suicide, abortion, paid sex between adults and gay marriages. In fact, almost every nation on earth opposes most of those, across the political spectrum. These are the religious right who have influenced the progressive conservatives. There is no such party. At least get the name right. They're the Conservative Party. Last time I heard it was a right wing government who brought in bill C51 in an undemocratic manner which took away our rights and freedom. What rights and freedoms have you had taken away? Bet you can't name any. Are you aware many social democratic and left wing governments in Europe have the same or more severe laws? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
carepov Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 You know who else is a risk taker? Pirates, drug smugglers and dealers, thieves, killers. Risk taker? That's one way to look at it. You could also say these are the ones who don't care about the rules and only care about themselves, who are willing to break every rule, demand their way, and force their way where they aren't wanted to make themselves richer. And I'm talking about the ones making their way north into Europe, not the ones who simply crossed into Turkey to be safe. Sure. These are these are the types of people that are the most successful business and political leaders. If you and your family were in a Turkish refugee camp and had the resources to travel to Europe, would you go or would you fill out paperwork and wait for some government to reply? Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) That is when I end the debate when the so called debater becomes rude, idiotic and disrespectful and you scotty has reached that stage. So I am Pol pot now and next (if I continue to respond to you) I will be promoted by you to being Hitler I am sure. Just to clarify I never said conservatives even those religious rights in that party are same as Nazis. You put the words right into my mouth. ANd clarify more I wasn't debating the good of evil of what I listed (that is a separate debate in another thread) like doctor assisted suicide, prostitution, bill C51, bill C36, gay marriage, .... but THE MANNER in which these laws were imposed (the manner in which bill C36 was manipulated to pass the parliament and they failed do the same with gay marriage) was an undemocratic manner. Edited September 7, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Sure. These are these are the types of people that are the most successful business and political leaders. The best criminals, too. If you and your family were in a Turkish refugee camp and had the resources to travel to Europe, would you go or would you fill out paperwork and wait for some government to reply? I sure wouldn't pack them all in a rickety, overloaded boat to take them across the sea! Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Just to clarify I never said conservatives even those religious rights in that party are same as Nazis. You put the words right into my mouth. This is your own direct quote. You said exactly what you're now denying. Nazi Germany and more recent Serbia were examples of religious right. Nazis pointing to Jews as Chris killers murdered some 6 million innocent people and yes many homosexuals too. Serbia murdered and raped many Muslims. In North America mainly US but Canada too religious right wishes to build a pure Christian society where religious laws are being practiced. Fortunately they don't have many supporters in Canada so they hide in the sheep's clothing and call themselves Reformers and more recent progressive Conservatives even!!. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) This is your own direct quote. You said exactly what you're now denying. Again you distort what I said. Read what you have quoted. I said in Nazi Germany and Serbia the religions right murdered many people. Did I say that the religious right did the same in Canada?. Why you put words in my mouth?, I continued to say that with reference to religious right in Canada there are some elements who want to build a pure Christian society (not murdering people but to form a pure Christian society practicing Christian laws as I said in the second half of my post very clearly not related to first part unless you deliberately wanting to relate them) but because they don't have widespread support among our good nation then they hide as Reform party (which they dismissed a number of their members in the 90's because some expressed their anti semi or racist views publically). That said I believe they are a small number of Nazi sympathizers in Canada and in Canadian politics especially in Western Canada. Edited September 7, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
carepov Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 I sure wouldn't pack them all in a rickety, overloaded boat to take them across the sea! Would you go or stay? Quote
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Again you distort what I said. Read what you have quoted. I said in Nazi Germany and Serbia the religions right murdered many people. Did I say that the religious right did the same in Canada?. Why you put words in my mouth?, I continued to say that with reference to religious right in Canada there are some elements who want to build a pure Christian society (not murdering people but to form a pure Christian society practicing Christian laws as I said in the second half of my post very clearly not related to first part unless you deliberately wanting to relate them) but because they don't have widespread support among our good nation then they hide as Reform party (which they dismissed a number of their members in the 90's because some expressed their anti semi or racist views publically). That said I believe they are a small number of Nazi sympathizers in Canada and in Canadian politics especially in Western Canada. If you are suggesting a 'small number' of Conservatives are racists or even extremely religious I would not be offended. It sounded very much like you were equating Conservatives and Reformers to Nazis and Serbians. So if I misconstrued your intent I apologize. But you should be more careful in how you phrase things. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Would you go or stay? I would see what my chances were from the camp first. I would apply, and I would wait. I would not risk my family on the chance that I might get there and might be accepted. I would never take such chances with them. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Keepitsimple Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 Again you distort what I said. Read what you have quoted. I said in Nazi Germany and Serbia the religions right murdered many people. Not sure what you were arguing but Nazis were extreme Left Wing - Nazis is an abbreviation of the National Socialist Party.......and as far as religion, Nazis were predominantly atheists. Quote Back to Basics
msj Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 If you don't like Canadians you know, you're free to take up residence somewhere else. I will continue to hire foreign borns when they are available. When not, I will settle for the best Canadians I can find. Nevertheless, Harper's policies are anti-business. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Scotty Posted September 7, 2015 Report Posted September 7, 2015 I will continue to hire foreign borns when they are available. When not, I will settle for the best Canadians I can find. Nevertheless, Harper's policies are anti-business. Given you're someone who is obviously anti-Canadian, I think it speaks well of him that you don't like him. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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