Democratic nomination 2016

cybercoma · August 4, 2015

He's only 5 years older than Hillary and the same age as Bernie Sanders. (Damn the Dems are old n white this time around!).

That's a hilarious criticism coming from our resident GOP Ambassador to Canada.

Shady · August 4, 2015

That's a hilarious criticism coming from our resident GOP Ambassador to Canada.

Just an observation. Just it seems to be an observation by many in the mainstream media other times, but in reverse.

WWWTT · August 5, 2015

poor moderation

Edited August 17, 2015 by WWWTT

Shady · August 5, 2015

Things will change though when Joe Biden enters the race.

On Guard for Thee · August 5, 2015

Biden entering the race will be good for Hillary. He'll split the anti Hillary vote.

Shady · August 5, 2015

Biden entering the race will be good for Hillary. He'll split the anti Hillary vote.

I disagree. He'll take from Hillary, as well as Sanders. I think he'd be the frontrunner.

cybercoma · August 6, 2015

I disagree. He'll take from Hillary, as well as Sanders. I think he'd be the frontrunner.

Biden won't be the frontrunner. Hillary will still maintain the lead with Biden there, but you're probably right that he would take from both Hillary and Sanders. In fact, he's likely to take more from the former. Edited August 6, 2015 by cybercoma

bush_cheney2004 · August 9, 2015

Bernie Sanders and his followers are now "white supremacist liberals" according to the "Black Lives Matter" faithful:

...Earlier in the day, Sanders was just starting to address several thousand people gathered shoulder to shoulder at Westlake Park when two women took over the microphone. Organizers couldn't persuade the two to wait and agreed to give them a few minutes. As Sanders stepped back, the women spoke about Ferguson and the killing of Michael Brown and held a four minute moment of silence.

When the crowd asked the activists to allow Sanders to speak, one activist called the crowd "white supremacist liberals," according to event participants.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-activists-disrupt-bernie-sanders-speech-225833965--election.html#

Edited August 9, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

Shady · August 9, 2015

It just goes to show how absolutely absurd the black lives matter crowd is or have become. It's fun to watch though!

#CantWaitForTheConvention!

kimmy · August 9, 2015

Yep, pretty dumb... Sanders is about the closest thing to an ally they're likely to find.

-k

bush_cheney2004 · August 9, 2015

Maybe not....Democrats take the "black vote" for granted and support big welfare state policies that foster a permanent underclass.

Shady · August 9, 2015

Yep, pretty dumb... Sanders is about the closest thing to an ally they're likely to find.

-k

Yep. It's a good way to alienate people thst are sympathetic to your cause. They demand to be heard. Well they can be heard at their own event. Don't piggyback off somebody else's.

WIP · August 9, 2015

Maybe not....Democrats take the "black vote" for granted and support big welfare state policies that foster a permanent underclass.

Before the Republicans were taken over by white nationalist xenophobes, they used to have a handful that kept dialogue with leaders of the NAACP and black business associations like Jack Kemp and Bob Dole to name a couple. Now, they have completely written off non-white minorities. But, even though the Dems and Repubs have turned US politics into a Duopoly, blacks and other minorities, including the real left in American thinking, need to build the Green Party or some other third party into a movement that threatens the control the Democratic Party has today over everything that isn't on the lunatic right.

bush_cheney2004 · August 9, 2015

.....But, even though the Dems and Repubs have turned US politics into a Duopoly, blacks and other minorities, including the real left in American thinking, need to build the Green Party or some other third party into a movement that threatens the control the Democratic Party has today over everything that isn't on the lunatic right.

Sure...get back to us when that strategy works in Canada.

WIP · August 9, 2015

Who would of thought I would start a thread about US politics?

Not me for starters!

Any ways, looks like the democrat nomination is going to vacuum up all the free media attraction with an possible upset, a repeat of the 2008 US politico media circus.

Will the Bernie buzz strengthen or weaken?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/its-official-bernie-sande_b_7660226.html

WWWTT

I didn't notice this thread before, and I want to take a look through it, since I have a lot of relatives in the US and have to at least be up to speed on US politics as much as NFL and NASCAR.

I haven't checked yet, but I doubt anyone here follows the black leftist news and blog site - Black Agenda Report, which pulls no punches when it comes to political and economic issues, even when dealing with political and business leaders within the black community. Back when Bernie had just announced his run for the presidency, BAR editor - Bruce Dixon coined the term "sheepdog candidate" to describe Bernie and other past Democratic Party candidates going back decades, like Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Jackson, Jerry Brown...that governor - former NBA star who's name I forget...anyway, there's always a candidate on the left when there's no Democrat in the Whitehouse who's there to keep the left in the Party molified and active and not joining third party movements that might take away votes from the Democratic Party. Link

In the most recent example, it's been noticed that the Democratic Leadership Committee (a Clinton house organ) has been running ads for Bernie. Why would they build up Sander's campaign? Except that the know that even with a groundswell of populist support, a political party with "super" delegates will erase him at the Convention! And Bernie has already promised to support the nominee...which will be Hillary...let's not be naive about it! Bernie is not as left on a lot of issues, especially foreign policy and dealing with the military industrial complex as some of his supporters would like everyone to believe. But what is most important is that he is playing the role of "Sheepdog" this time round, to gather up as many stray disgruntled Democrats as possibel and herd them back into the pen to support Hillary in the Fall 2016 Campaign!

Also worth noting that the 2nd post referencing Daily Kos is one more of those fake progressive blog sites that is really a house organ of the Democratic Party, and starts erasing bloggers that don't get in step when it counts!

Edited August 9, 2015 by WIP

kimmy · August 11, 2015

So Sanders is actually just playing into Clinton's hands? What should he do instead? Not run? Run as a third-party candidate? That would be awesome, assuming you want to see a Republican win the election...

Whatever he's doing, the Clinton campaign will have to address it. This week he drew crowds of 28000 in Portland and 27000 in Los Angeles ...surely they can't just pretend he doesn't exist anymore. The biggest crowd Clinton has drawn has been 5500.

-k

Argus · August 11, 2015

Maybe not....Democrats take the "black vote" for granted and support big welfare state policies that foster a permanent underclass.

If only the Republicans had a counter to paying people welfare other than ... let them starve, which seems to be the current Republican policy. Old people can't afford heat? Let them freeze. Children aren't eating? Let them starve. People sick who can't afford health care? Let them die.

Ah yes, the party of Christianity shows its caring side! I'm sure Jesus would approve!

bush_cheney2004 · August 11, 2015

Ah yes, the party of Christianity shows its caring side! I'm sure Jesus would approve!

Christianity and Jesus were good enough for the abolition of slavery...approved....and a national political party was born.

WIP · August 11, 2015

So Sanders is actually just playing into Clinton's hands? What should he do instead? Not run? Run as a third-party candidate? That would be awesome, assuming you want to see a Republican win the election...

-k

The whole US election process is a pointless and ultimately meaningless exercise that has nothing to do with democracy! America has the lowest voter turnout of any advanced nation largely because so many people understand (even if they don't know the backstory) that the process is a sham.

Bernie Sanders (first of all is not that progressive on many issues) will get reeled in long before the Convention next summer, and there's no way in hell that he is going to get more votes plus alter the rigged process that has successfully kept out insurgent candidates ever since George McGovern rode the antiwar tidal wave into the 72 Convention.

Bernie's job is to keep disgruntled voices on the left occupied and away from supporting third party movements like the Green Party. I suspect the same strategy was at work during Ron Paul's perenial run as the libertarian candidate for the Republican Party. As long as he was in the race, he could prevent any oxygen from reaching the real Libertarian Party and pull that constituency away from the GOP. Part of maintaining duopoly government is both parties reaching out for their strays and pulling as many back into the pen every four years. This year Bernie gets to play sheepdog for the Dems!

bush_cheney2004 · August 11, 2015

....America has the lowest voter turnout of any advanced nation largely because so many people understand (even if they don't know the backstory) that the process is a sham.

Patently false...facts are inconvenient that way.

A quick Google search (also American) reveals that among OECD nations, Japan, Switzerland, and Chile have lower voter turnouts than the U.S. (Pew research). U.S. voter turnout is about the same as in Canada...so Canada's process is a sham ?

On Guard for Thee · August 11, 2015

Patently false...facts are inconvenient that way.

A quick Google search (also American) reveals that among OECD nations, Japan, Switzerland, and Chile have lower voter turnouts than the U.S. (Pew research). U.S. voter turnout is about the same as in Canada...so Canada's process is a sham ?

To a point I suppose, but not to nearly the extent.

bush_cheney2004 · August 11, 2015

The U.S. election process is so "pointless" that 15% of polled Canadians would give up their vote in Canada to be able to vote in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Canadians for Hillary web sites will likely follow Canadians for Obama.

15% of Canadians would rather vote in U.S. election: survey

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/15-of-canadians-would-rather-vote-in-u-s-election-survey-1.760648

Edited August 11, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

On Guard for Thee · August 11, 2015

The U.S. election process is so "pointless" that 15% of polled Canadians would give up their vote in Canada to be able to vote in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Canadians for Hillary web sites will likely follow Canadians for Obama.

15% of Canadians would rather vote in U.S. election: survey

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/15-of-canadians-would-rather-vote-in-u-s-election-survey-1.760648

Just trying to help you guys out.

WWWTT · August 12, 2015

poor moderation

Edited August 17, 2015 by WWWTT

cybercoma · August 12, 2015

So Sanders is actually just playing into Clinton's hands? What should he do instead? Not run? Run as a third-party candidate? That would be awesome, assuming you want to see a Republican win the election...

Whatever he's doing, the Clinton campaign will have to address it. This week he drew crowds of 28000 in Portland and 27000 in Los Angeles ...surely they can't just pretend he doesn't exist anymore. The biggest crowd Clinton has drawn has been 5500.

-k

The reason there's such a huge difference in the crowd sizes is that Bernie Sanders doesn't vet attendees as Clinton's campaign does. Her appearances are heavily orchestrated marketing opportunities. Sanders' appearances are genuine opportunities to speak to anyone and everyone who wishes to attend.