Topaz Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 The CAF is having trouble in finding new recruitment , even though 3500 joined last year, many are leaving and I do believe its the same across the board, many leaving and young people saying, no way. I think much has to do with the way the vets are treated and that many don't believe in the going to war in the ME, especially. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/air-force-memo-warns-of-risk-to-operations-due-to-poor-recruiting-1.3104873 Quote
Keepitsimple Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Did you not even READ the article? Of course, once again you are completely wrong. I mean c'mon Topaz - give yourself a shake. It's about the recruitment process itself - head-hunters - recruiters - not doing their job! Recruiters meeting targets now The warning seems to have had an effect. A Defence spokesman told CBC News the recruiting group managed to enroll 100 per cent of all needed ATIS and AVS technicians by the end of the 2014/15 fiscal year, adding the military is in the midst of building a new system aimed at modernizing and streamlining the recruiting process. Your Link didn't work for me so here it is again: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/air-force-memo-warns-of-risk-to-operations-due-to-poor-recruiting-1.3104873 Edited June 25, 2015 by Charles Anthony deleted quotation of re-copied Opening Post Quote Back to Basics
Topaz Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 I know that, but, I, also know from watching the committee meeting, not many are signing up, I'm sure Harper could come up with something and really blow this country apart. Quote
PrimeNumber Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 You mean those knew recruitment ads on TV aren't working? Maybe they need more explosions and tanks! Show kids cut scenes of Call of Duty, that'll get em' in the killin' mood! Uncle Harper chooses you! Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Big Guy Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 When any organization has difficulty in selling its product it can be one of two things: Either the salesmen and sales program is faulty or the product is a really hard sell. I believe that it is the latter. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Did you not even READ the article? Of course, once again you are completely wrong. I mean c'mon Topaz - give yourself a shake. It's about the recruitment process itself - head-hunters - recruiters - not doing their job! Not really, its more so a realization that technology has changed, requiring a greater background in the maths and sciences, for what amounts to a job in the "trades", where most people with such skills are working in the O&G industries ...........most mechanics from the age of carburetors 30+ years ago would be lost, without the required skills training and electronic diagnostic equipment, under the hood of a modern car..........its also is an indicator of our poor education system..........in the decades ahead, there won't only be severe shortages in skilled positions in the military, but private industry. The same short-term shortages occurred in the 1990s with our navy, as ships propulsion plants switched from steam to gas turbines.......the result will be providing the full training and upgrades in math/science to those interested but without the required skill set. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 When any organization has difficulty in selling its product it can be one of two things: Either the salesmen and sales program is faulty or the product is a really hard sell. I believe that it is the latter. DND has no problem finding applicants, just applicants already educated, as such people are earning six figures maintaining/calibrating control systems in the O&G industries or doing the like for utility companies. Quote
PIK Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Did the not hire a bunch of british pilots that were let go by the RAF? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Posted June 26, 2015 Did the not hire a bunch of british pilots that were let go by the RAF? Not really......Canada, like many other first World nations continually poaches experienced personal from other services (the same is also done to us), this for us has been standard practice since the formation of the various branches of the Canadian Forces. With pilots, what I assume you're referencing was a story (during the TFW flap) about the RCAF recruiting experienced British Commonwealth pilots and aircrew (Followed by Americans and NATO allies, namely Dutch and Norwegian) to fill various training billets in areas where we were introducing a new type of aircraft, of which, we had little experience with. Quote
PIK Posted June 29, 2015 Report Posted June 29, 2015 It was a story of a bunch of well trained british pilots layed off and some were hoping to join the RCAF Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 It was a story of a bunch of well trained british pilots layed off and some were hoping to join the RCAF The RAF didn't "lay-off" pilots or aircrew, force size reductions (budget cuts) within the service made for greener pastures elsewhere (Canada and Australia) for many experienced RAF members, that though not given the boot, would see a diminished career path within a smaller RAF. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 The Brits laid off thousands of military including around 200 pilots or pilots who were almost done their training. They headed for Canada. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 The Brits laid off thousands of military including around 200 pilots or pilots who were almost done their training. They headed for Canada. They did no such thing. The MOD cut the number of military personal through voluntary (early) attrition, well reducing the number of new (youth) trainees, but the majority of said cuts came from a 20+% reduction in the RAF's civilian workforce...........there is not, nor has there not been an influx of 200 former RAF pilots laid-off due to the SDSR headed for the RCAF........The RCAF has recruited no more than 30-40 foreign born, experienced, pilots, including Brits, in the last decade...........200 former RAF pilots added to the RCAF's total strength would result in a reduction of Canadian born pilots. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 They did no such thing. The MOD cut the number of military personal through voluntary (early) attrition, well reducing the number of new (youth) trainees, but the majority of said cuts came from a 20+% reduction in the RAF's civilian workforce...........there is not, nor has there not been an influx of 200 former RAF pilots laid-off due to the SDSR headed for the RCAF........The RCAF has recruited no more than 30-40 foreign born, experienced, pilots, including Brits, in the last decade...........200 former RAF pilots added to the RCAF's total strength would result in a reduction of Canadian born pilots. http://www.coldlakesun.com/2012/05/01/ex-british-pilots-set-to-enrol-in-rcaf-in-2013 Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 http://www.coldlakesun.com/2012/05/01/ex-british-pilots-set-to-enrol-in-rcaf-in-2013 Read your article: Six British pilots set to be stationed in Cold Lake are currently in the process of enrolling in the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF), and are likely to be ready for enrollment by 2013. You claimed there were 200 ex-RAF pilots set to join the RCAF. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Read your article: You claimed there were 200 ex-RAF pilots set to join the RCAF. No I didnt say that. The article says there were 170 laid off from the RAF. Soe have been, and others are looking to join the RCAF to fill a shortage they have due to lack of recruits. Or I suspect fro my ow experience, many leave the military to seek much higher paying jobs in the private sector. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 No I didnt say that. The article says there were 170 laid off from the RAF. Soe have been, and others are looking to join the RCAF to fill a shortage they have due to lack of recruits. Or I suspect fro my ow experience, many leave the military to seek much higher paying jobs in the private sector. The RCAF doesn't have a lack of recruits, there are plenty of applications every year. The RCAF had trouble finding educated recruits for non-commissioned trades, as a result, had to provide additional training to current members and future recruits. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 The RCAF doesn't have a lack of recruits, there are plenty of applications every year. The RCAF had trouble finding educated recruits for non-commissioned trades, as a result, had to provide additional training to current members and future recruits. Yeah apparently they do. As I say I did a lot of recurrent training a while back with pilots leaving the AF to seek private sector employment. That will have dropped somewhat of course due to the current downturn in oil prices and therefore offshore exploration. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/23/air_force_hiring_foreign_pilots_to_fly_frontline_jets.html Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Yeah apparently they do. As I say I did a lot of recurrent training a while back with pilots leaving the AF to seek private sector employment. That will have dropped somewhat of course due to the current downturn in oil prices and therefore offshore exploration. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/23/air_force_hiring_foreign_pilots_to_fly_frontline_jets.html Yes I know.......as I said, this is nothing new, as the RCAF has been doing such since it's creation over 91 years ago. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Yes I know.......as I said, this is nothing new, as the RCAF has been doing such since it's creation over 91 years ago. Oh, last time around the post was they did no such thing. Glad you finally got it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Oh, last time around the post was they did no such thing. Glad you finally got it. I've "got it" for quite sometime......and you've clearly got nothing but corrected (yet again) As you were Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I've "got it" for quite sometime......and you've clearly got nothing but corrected (yet again) As you were Well youve got it now. Thats whats important. Carry on. Quote
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