Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 You completely gloss over how people who are responsible for Canada's policy of genocide are not now, nor have they ever been, charged, much less convicted of what is a crime in both international law and Canadian law. So these people can move on, just like your example, the Jewish people, I propose that aboriginals be given Alberta and you and yours be placed in squalid little camps like the Palestinians are. You continue to equate what happened to the First Nations to be equal to what happened to the Jews. Not even close. For starters...look up the definition of holocaust. Second....they have coined the term "cultural genocide" because that is as close to the actual term they will ever get. The Jews went through way worse and have moved on. Quote
Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Do you think an official apology would have gotten the Nazis off the hook, would have saved them from the gallows? Again with your apples to orange comparisons. Quote
Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 That's not what the guys I'm talking about are doing. They're just going fishing. The only one's sticking their heads in the sand are fisheries officers and other officials who are looking the other way. You seem to be under the illusion that laws and regulations are being enforced. Do these same people your talking about pay taxes, vote, stop at traffic lights, etc? Quote
eyeball Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Of course they do, they're benefiting from the best of both worlds - how can you lose when your competition has to take a bunch of rules you can ignore into account? That said you don't need to catch a lot, when you can actually get the whole $6 - $7 per lb your fish is worth and not have to shell out $5 - $6 a lb to some millionaire quota holder and the public officials protecting the quota holders rights. Leave all that behind and life is great. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Of course they do, they're benefiting from the best of both worlds - how can you lose when your competition has to take a bunch of rules you can ignore into account? So are you allowed to ignore those rules (ie they don't apply) or are you just ignoring them? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Back to the OP - can anyone explain why this isn't more prevalent in the news right now ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 So are you allowed to ignore those rules (ie they don't apply) or are you just ignoring them? No, it's very difficult for a non-native to ignore the rules around fishing - it requires a diligent effort from the authorities to not enforce them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jacee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 There was no First Nations Holocaust. Remember, it was "cultural genocide" they are claiming. You can't even keep track of your own claims now! With that said, the Canadian government has offered an official apology for its part in the residential schools. It has also compensated many in the amount of billions of dollars with most likely more to come. As a part of the settlement it also mandated the Truth and Reconcilliation committee. What more would you like Omar? Maybe pay attention to what the apology and the TRC are saying. . Quote
Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Back to the OP - can anyone explain why this isn't more prevalent in the news right now ? I asked the same thing in post #83. No one answered. Quote
Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 No, it's very difficult for a non-native to ignore the rules around fishing - it requires a diligent effort from the authorities to not enforce them. So you being native don't have to worry about the rules? Quote
Accountability Now Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Maybe pay attention to what the apology and the TRC are saying. . Do tell Quote
Argus Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 You continue to pump out your disproved, false narrative and ignore reality. Is 'tea party' your meme de jour? Have you grown tired of using Nazi? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 You dont have to wipe out the entire group in order for the term genocide to apply. Maybe, but if you spent six generations trying to wipe them out you would expect their numbers to at least have diminished a little bit... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Maybe, but if you spent six generations trying to wipe them out you would expect their numbers to at least have diminished a little bit... Which they certainly did. Quote
Argus Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Which they certainly did. I think native populations are at an all time high, actually. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 I think native populations are at an all time high, actually. Thats probably due to some extent that we arent throwing them into residential schools where up to 50% will die. Quote
Argus Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 Thats probably due to some extent that we arent throwing them into residential schools where up to 50% will die. Do you have a cite which says 50% of natives in residential schools die? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) I think native populations are at an all time high, actually.No.Birth rates are high and much of the population is young. That's a common pattern following a genocidal onslaught. Mandatory residential school attendance eased up in the 1970's. Canada signed the UN Convention on Genocide in 1952, but never followed through on its obligation to pass domestic laws on genocide until 2000 ... 4 years after the last federal residential school closed ... with some missing elements: www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2011/MacDonald.Hudson.pdf What is genocide in Canada? Canada did ratify the UNGC in 1952 after lengthy debate in Parliament. However, portions of the Convention were excluded from the Criminal Code, such that genocide means only (a) killing members of the group; or ( b ) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.31 The official reasons given to Parliament by the Report of the Special Committee on Hate Crimes in Canada (also known as the Cohen Report) was that portions of the UNGC intended to cover certain historical incidents in Europe that have little essential relevance to Canada could safely be omitted. They even asserted that mass transfers of children to another group are unknown in Canada (see Churchill, 2004, 9; 86). These deliberate and disingenuous omissions have important ramifications for what Aboriginal peoples can claim as genocide in Canadian courts. Edited May 31, 2015 by jacee Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 1, 2015 Report Posted June 1, 2015 Do you have a cite which says 50% of natives in residential schools die? Died is the proper word. We dont have these hideous things anymore thankfully. http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/mort_rate_index.html Quote
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