Harper threatens participants in BDS Israel

[Argus]

Can you say lame, Argus? But yet a smart fella like you clings to these inanities. Go figure!

I think everyone is impressed at your deft handling of difficult issues.

I guess Omar Sharif and Omar Bradeley are supporters of terrorism, too.

Riiiight, you went with "Je suis Omar' because of Omar Sharif, not because it indicates your support for Muslim terrorism against Jews.

Even though the latter would be fully in keeping with the extremist positions you take on this site.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Argus

[Argus]

Argus: Name me one democracy with gay rights,m women's rights and even animal-rights which has been surrounded by enemies and subjected to constant violent attacks, invasions and terrorism without pause for fifty years.

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Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Korea, the list is rather long.

Cuba is a democracy? Nicaragua wasn't a democracy either. The Philippines only has an internal enemy - unsurprisingly it's Muslims. And Korea, I presume you mean South Korea, though perhaps not, knowing you, is a case of civil war with superpower support on both sides, and not applicable. So keep trying.

[Argus]

The apologists either try to minimize or take attention away from Israel's atrocities by asking why no one is up in arms for what Congo

No, we know why. Because there are no Jews there.

they also try to shut down criticism by accusing people of being anti-semites.

There's no question in my mind you're an anti-Semite. And not one of those smarmy lefty wing types who simply equates Jews with Israel, which is all militaristic (eek!), but a good old fashioned Jew hater.

You can keep commenting, but reality and facts will continue to show that majority of what you say is incorrect.

I never said Israel didn't violate human rights. Every country in the world which has ever been involved in an active war has had human rights violations, and probably always will. I simply point out that given that Israel has been at war for longer than any country on earth, that's bound to cause some justifiable 'issues' which smarmy westerners who have never even imagined themselves to be in danger ought to consider before condemning them.

[Je suis Omar]

Riiiight, you went with "Je suis Omar' because of Omar Sharif, not because it indicates your support for Muslim terrorism against Jews.

Even though the latter would be fully in keeping with the extremist positions you take on this site.

The ultimate extremist position would be that of those who support and defend the ultimate terrorist group in the world. The US of A.

[Argus]

The ultimate extremist position would be that of those who support and defend the ultimate terrorist group in the world. The US of A.

That's your opinion, maybe, but your opinions are those of an extremist no one pays any attention to aside from mocking and ridiculing.

[Je suis Omar]

So keep trying.

Just a short bit to illustrate just how ignorant (non-pejorative sense) you are about USA history.

But do read the rest, Argus. Then you can start a new thread and we can discuss it.

Between the years 1899 and 1913 the United States of America wrote the darkest pages of its history. The invasion of the Philippines__ for no other reason than acquiring imperial possessions, prompted a fierce reaction of the Filipino people. 126000 American soldiers were brought in to quell the resistence. As a result, 400000 Filipino "insurrectos" died under the American fire and one million Filipino civilians died because of the hardship, mass killings and scorched earth tactics carried out by the Americans. In total the American war against a peaceful people who fairly ignored the existence of the Americans until their arrival wiped out 1/6 of the population of the country. One hundred years have passed. Isn't it high time that the USA army, Congress and Government apologised for the horrendous crimes and monstruous sufferings that inflicted upon the peoples of Filipinas?

Alfonso Velázquez

http://fonsucu.blogspot.ca/2005/11/filipino-genocide.html?m=1

Edited May 14, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[marcus]

No, we know why. Because there are no Jews there.

There's no question in my mind you're an anti-Semite. And not one of those smarmy lefty wing types who simply equates Jews with Israel, which is all militaristic (eek!), but a good old fashioned Jew hater.

I never said Israel didn't violate human rights. Every country in the world which has ever been involved in an active war has had human rights violations, and probably always will. I simply point out that given that Israel has been at war for longer than any country on earth, that's bound to cause some justifiable 'issues' which smarmy westerners who have never even imagined themselves to be in danger ought to consider before condemning them.

Who is we? Are you part of some collective who keeps repeats the same fantasy?

One of the reasons why people in the West do not bring up The Congo as much as Israel is because our governments do NOT support the Congo. We also don't have a bunch of basement warriors, trying to justify the rape and pillaging by the bad people in Congo, like you try to do when you try to defend Israel.

There's no question in my mind you're an anti-Semite. And not one of those smarmy lefty wing types who simply equates Jews with Israel, which is all militaristic (eek!), but a good old fashioned Jew hater.

I have no question that you have many confusing thoughts in your mind. Once you are able to put forward comments made by Hudson or anyone else that you accuse of being a racist, that show that they are being racist, your thoughts will continue to be nothing but empty accusations. On the other hand, your racism has been pointed out over and over again by simply pointing to the racist remarks you make.

PS - Criticizing the policies and actions of Israel is not racism.

I simply point out that given that Israel has been at war for longer than any country on earth, that's bound to cause some justifiable 'issues'

That kind of reasoning did not work for the Nazis or Apartheid South Africa to continue what they did. The list of violations of human rights and international law by Israel is LONG.

You just can't justify or excuse dropping phosphorus on people (innocent people) who are hiding in shelters that have been set up to flee bombings. You just cannot justify or excuse child torture that happens regularly in the West Bank. The list is long.

Boko Harem and ISIS will not be able to justify or reason away their disgusting actions and neither will Israel. Their actions have been documented in a way that actions were not in the past. The days of trying to whitewash atrocities are no longer. The list is long and the movement to bring justice is too large to avoid. You will be looked at as nothing but an apologist. Much like how people look at a select few who are still left, trying to justify Apartheid South Africa.

[dre]

No, it's more like the victim of a mob of would-be rapists being hounded by people for daring to be impolite to the mob, and for taking steps to defend herself.

History doesnt even come close to supporting that assessment. Both sides have been belligerent to each other constantly. Both sides have attacked each other, threated each other, and both sides hate each other.

Israel is not an innocent victim in the conflict and never has been.

[poochy]

Just a short bit to illustrate just how ignorant (non-pejorative sense) you are about USA history.

But do read the rest, Argus. Then you can start a new thread and we can discuss it.

Wow, i didnt know that the USA would do such a thing, seeing as no other country did anything like that at that time, or since.

[Argus]

Just a short bit to illustrate just how ignorant (non-pejorative sense) you are about USA history.

But do read the rest, Argus. Then you can start a new thread and we can discuss it.

I'm still waiting for a cite. Telling me the US, which acquired the Philippines from Spain, fought against Filipino revolutionaries a hundred years ago doesn't cut it by a long shot.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Argus

[Je suis Omar]

Wow, i didnt know that the USA would do such a thing, seeing as no other country did anything like that at that time, or since.

I don't quite understand what you are saying, "seeing as no other country did anything like that at that time, or since".

That is just one of many instances, Poochy, in a long history where the USA has slaughtered millions.

[Je suis Omar]

Telling me the US, which acquired the Philippines from Spain, .

See, I told you that you are ignorant about the history of the USA.

[Argus]

Who is we?

Smart people. You probably don't know any.

PS - Criticizing the policies and actions of Israel is not racism.

No, not all criticism of Israel is because of Antisemitism, but on the other hand, all anti-Semites criticize and hate Israel. Certainly UN criticism of Israel is based on the Jew hatred coming from the Muslim bloc, and purchased by them from Africa. And certainly all the Jew hating vermin in the West, including some on this web site, have a fixation for that tiny state for no other reason.

That kind of reasoning did not work for the Nazis or Apartheid South Africa to continue what they did.

Israel bears no relation to either of those nations. Only anti-Semites try to make the case it does

The list of violations of human rights and international law by Israel is LONG.

It's miniscule compared to that of the Arab and Muslim world, to say nothing of Africa or Asia.

You just can't justify or excuse dropping phosphorus on people (innocent people) who are hiding in shelters that have been set up to flee bombings. You just cannot justify or excuse child torture that happens regularly in the West Bank. The list is long.

Much of it invented and taken wildly out of context during an ongoing war by people who are either too stupid and ignorant to pay attention or are driven by hatred of Jews.

[Argus]

History doesnt even come close to supporting that assessment. Both sides have been belligerent to each other constantly. Both sides have attacked each other, threated each other, and both sides hate each other.

Israel is not an innocent victim in the conflict and never has been.

Israel was invaded the instant it was born, and repeatedly invaded over the years. All the surrounding nations are still officially at war with them except Egypt which was bribed to sign a peace treaty by the US. They have all supported countless terrorist attacks on Israel, both with financing, planning and training of terrorists. Their official media (none have any free press) is rife with antisemitism and anti-Israeli propaganda, as are their mosques, as are their schools and schoolbooks ,and together they have kept the pot going in that area since 1948, including keeping the Palestinians as 'refugees' in camps despite the fact in many cases these 'refugees', their parents and their grandparents were born in those countries.

Oh I'll happily acknowledge Israel is no angel, and individual Israeli soldiers and security people have behaved inexcusably at times, but Israel and Israeli society are, in large part, born of the relentless hostility and violence committed against them by all of the surrounding states for the entire lifetimes of most Israelis. If that hostility and violence ever ended I have little doubt you would quickly come to see major improvements in Israel's behaviour both at home and abroad. But I don't expect any improvement from the brutal, backward peoples which surround Israel, particularly since all their governments have spent a generation indoctrinating them in antisemitism and hatred of Israel as a means of distracting them and pointing them at an outside force to excuse their own cruelty, incompetence and corruption.

[marcus]

Smart people. You probably don't know any.

No, not all criticism of Israel is because of Antisemitism, but on the other hand, all anti-Semites criticize and hate Israel. Certainly UN criticism of Israel is based on the Jew hatred coming from the Muslim bloc, and purchased by them from Africa. And certainly all the Jew hating vermin in the West, including some on this web site, have a fixation for that tiny state for no other reason.

Israel bears no relation to either of those nations. Only anti-Semites try to make the case it does

It's miniscule compared to that of the Arab and Muslim world, to say nothing of Africa or Asia.

Much of it invented and taken wildly out of context during an ongoing war by people who are either too stupid and ignorant to pay attention or are driven by hatred of Jews.

Congratulations on pressing reply. Unfortunately, you posted more hot air. Once again you have failed in showing any substance and respond to the points made. Like:

One of the reasons why people in the West do not bring up The Congo as much as Israel is because our governments do NOT support the Congo. We also don't have a bunch of basement warriors, trying to justify the rape and pillaging by the bad people in Congo, like you try to do when you try to defend Israel.

And this:

I have no question that you have many confusing thoughts in your mind. Once you are able to put forward comments made by Hudson or anyone else that you accuse of being a racist, that show that they are being racist, your thoughts will continue to be nothing but empty accusations. On the other hand, your racism has been pointed out over and over again by simply pointing to the racist remarks you make.

And this:

You just can't justify or excuse dropping phosphorus on people (innocent people) who are hiding in shelters that have been set up to flee bombings. You just cannot justify or excuse child torture that happens regularly in the West Bank. The list is long.

Boko Harem and ISIS will not be able to justify or reason away their disgusting actions and neither will Israel. Their actions have been documented in a way that actions were not in the past. The days of trying to whitewash atrocities are no longer. The list is long and the movement to bring justice is too large to avoid. You will be looked at as nothing but an apologist. Much like how people look at a select few who are still left, trying to justify Apartheid South Africa.

[Argus]

See, I told you that you are ignorant about the history of the USA.

The Treaty of Paris of 1898, 30 Stat. 1754, was an agreement made in 1898 that resulted in the Spanish Empire's surrendering control of Cuba and ceding Puerto Rico, parts of the Spanish West Indies, the island of Guam, and the Philippines to the United States. The cession of the Philippines involved a payment of $20 million from the United States to the Spanish Empire. The treaty was signed on December 10, 1898, and ended the Spanish–American War. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_%281898%29

[Argus]

Congratulations on pressing reply. Unfortunately, you posted more hot air.

Still far more worthy than the bad smelling diarrhea you spew out with every post.

Once again you have failed in showing any substance and respond to the points made. Like:

Here's a hint, junior. If I don't respond to your 'points' it's usually because you didn't make any worthy of a response, which, I might point point out, is why I and most others ignore most of what you post.

[marcus]

Still far more worthy than the bad smelling diarrhea you spew out with every post.

Here's a hint, junior. If I don't respond to your 'points' it's usually because you didn't make any worthy of a response, which, I might point point out, is why I and most others ignore most of what you post.

Congrats again for knowing how to press reply. You still have plenty of work to do in posting substance, instead of hot air.

[Je suis Omar]

The Treaty of Paris of 1898, 30 Stat. 1754, was an agreement made in 1898 that resulted in the Spanish Empire's surrendering control of Cuba and ceding Puerto Rico, parts of the Spanish West Indies, the island of Guam, and the Philippines to the United States. The cession of the Philippines involved a payment of $20 million from the United States to the Spanish Empire. 29[/url]

The USA launched a war against Spain, with a lie, their usual modus operandi, and took those lands from Spain and the rightful owners. All under a pretense that the USA was advancing democracy and saving the oppressed. More of the usual USA lies.

They slaughtered the very people who had mistakenly believed that the USA were kind, honest, benevolent folks who had come to liberate them. So started a century plus of subjugation under these grandest of hypocrites.

Soldiers were commanded to turn the Philippines into a "howling wilderness", to slaughter anyone down to 10 years of age - another of those endearing American qualities that continue to this day, delighting in the murder of children.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[dre]

Israel was invaded the instant it was born, and repeatedly invaded over the years. All the surrounding nations are still officially at war with them except Egypt which was bribed to sign a peace treaty by the US. They have all supported countless terrorist attacks on Israel, both with financing, planning and training of terrorists. Their official media (none have any free press) is rife with antisemitism and anti-Israeli propaganda, as are their mosques, as are their schools and schoolbooks ,and together they have kept the pot going in that area since 1948, including keeping the Palestinians as 'refugees' in camps despite the fact in many cases these 'refugees', their parents and their grandparents were born in those countries.

Oh I'll happily acknowledge Israel is no angel, and individual Israeli soldiers and security people have behaved inexcusably at times, but Israel and Israeli society are, in large part, born of the relentless hostility and violence committed against them by all of the surrounding states for the entire lifetimes of most Israelis. If that hostility and violence ever ended I have little doubt you would quickly come to see major improvements in Israel's behaviour both at home and abroad. But I don't expect any improvement from the brutal, backward peoples which surround Israel, particularly since all their governments have spent a generation indoctrinating them in antisemitism and hatred of Israel as a means of distracting them and pointing them at an outside force to excuse their own cruelty, incompetence and corruption.

Israel has attacked most of its neighbors as well, and has pursued a campaign of colonization, and wholesale theft of resources that has nothing to do with security.

This is a dust up over a piece of realestate and the resources on it, and both sides have attacked and mistreated each other countless times. And even early on hostility was not one-sided. Jewish settlers blew up hotels, attacked british troops, and pushed arabs off their land even before 1948.

This isnt a Good VS Evil story, its more like two belligerent asshole kids fighting for turf in the same sandbox.

[PIK]

Christianity was never on top all the time, it was persecuted for along time, now can the same be said about Islam. IMO Islam has been always doing the persecution for the last 1200 yrs.

[Je suis Omar]

Christianity was never on top all the time, it was persecuted for along time, now can the same be said about Islam. IMO Islam has been always doing the persecution for the last 1200 yrs.

You've been reading memes from right winger websites.

[PIK]

Actually history books. So Hudson show me when Islam was being persecuted by other religions.

[BC_chick]

Canada, the US and Europe are fat and safe and comfortable. No sane person can compare them to a small, isolated country like Israel which has been surrounded by murderous hostility for their entire existence. You people are so sorrowfully sympathetic to Omar Khadr because of how he was raised but don't seem to have the imagination necessary to wonder what it must be like to be raised knowing that you're the target of murderous, fanatical hostility by everyone within a thousand miles around who isn't one of yours.

Typical. Let's bring up the 'safety' issue and totally conflate it with the land-theft and maybe nobody will notice.

Argus, you're welcome to argue that carpet-bombing neighbourhoods and creating open-air refugee camps is all about Israel's safety. I completely disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

However, I'm not talking about that when I say that Israel is not being held to another standard as the rest of the world - I'm talking about land-theft.

Sure, the original settler took the land, treated the aboriginals as second-rate citizens and called them murderers for fighting back (sound familiar?), but in this present-day DEMOCRACY, the Canadian government CANNOT at will just go and take down houses on a reserve and not be held accountable for it.

Do you really think for one second that the world wouldn't bat an eyelash if we just decided to flatten out an entire reserve and build condos (hey it's expensive real-estate now) or are you still going to insist Israel is being held to some different standard than Canada?

Are you honestly going to argue that being against land-expansion in Israel is about Jew-hating? Seriously, I don't know how you people can say that with a straight face.