blueblood Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 And he got it done. Conservatives can pretend that didn't happen for eternity, but it did. Im not saying he didnt get it done. Im saying given the circumstances, anybody would have gotten it done. Trudeau sr. Put the country in one heck of a financial pickle. "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Im not saying he didnt get it done. Im saying given the circumstances, anybody would have gotten it done. Most other countries didn't and haven't.
blueblood Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Most other countries didn't and haven't. Yet the reform party opposition was harping for fiscal restraint as well. We both know that the fiscal situation was going to be fixed based on mulroney's nafta, gst income, and other govt cuts. "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 Yet the reform party opposition was harping for fiscal restraint as well. We both know that the fiscal situation was going to be fixed based on mulroney's nafta, gst income, and other govt cuts. I agree, everyone was working towards it, but Martin got it done. So did Flaherty.
blueblood Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 I agree, everyone was working towards it, but Martin got it done. So did Flaherty. Too bad it wasnt john manley running the liberals "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
PIK Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 So trudeau announces a 20 yr ,20 billion dollar green energy plan, right out of dalton's playbook. And we all in ONT know how that worked out. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Keepitsimple Posted September 2, 2015 Report Posted September 2, 2015 So trudeau announces a 20 yr ,20 billion dollar green energy plan, right out of dalton's playbook. And we all in ONT know how that worked out. People haven't yet caught on to the significance of Gerald Butts - the man behind the curtain. You're right - he was Dalton's Policy Advisor and if there's any one single thing that hastened the downturn of Ontario's manufacturing, it was the McGuinty/Wynne Green Energy fiasco.......and here we go again. Back to Basics
PIK Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Now he wants to bring in 25,000 Syrians into the county at once. And now it seems his spending promises are now more then the NDP and conservatives combined. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
socialist Posted September 6, 2015 Report Posted September 6, 2015 When Justin Trudeau made the choice to skip Parliament in session to then go out and deliver speeches to charities and schools, did he then respect Parliament? No other MP has ever given speeches for extra fees, let alone skipping Parliament to go an deliver speeches for extra fees. Only Trudeau decided to do that! Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 That's easy, Pik. Now that Stats Can has confirmed multiple recessions on Harper's watch, choosing Trudeau or Mulcair becomes an economy-saving civic duty. I'm sorry, but you seem to be making the claim that if the Liberals or NDP were in power the world wide recessions would pass us by. Is that actually what you're trying to say? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 If you think the world is in recession ad you are using that as an excuse for Harper's poor performance, you better think again and get back to us. Didn't you make the rather joyous claim we were in recession recently? Do you believe that a Liberal party in power would exempt Canada from recessions? That through their cunning and brilliance we would not have to worry about such things again? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Well that's not what he says. And with Martin's help he may well get back to a balance after he see what Harper has left behind. Martin only had surpluses because Chretien let him, and because they had no opposition. The instant Martin was in charge, and he faced a real opposition, he turned the taps wide open on spending. His platform in the election he lost would have spent tens of billions more than we were taking in. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Harper and the CPC have their economic history, and Martin and the LPC have theirs. They speak for themselves. If you completely ignore reality - oh right, it's you. Never mind. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 And yet no one else did it before him. Martin's cutbacks were more ruthless than Mike Harris in Ontario, yet lefties still treat Harris' name like the boogeyman while praising Paul Martin. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 So trudeau announces a 20 yr ,20 billion dollar green energy plan, right out of dalton's playbook. And we all in ONT know how that worked out. Trudeau is eerily reminiscent of McGuinty. He's an earnest, but plastic and shallow man who seizes on anything he hears which is fashionably left and throws himself into it without restraint or thought. Don't bother him about budgets or what his plans will do the cost of power or the economy or whether people will be able to heat their homes. He has a vision, you see! "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Evening Star Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Martin's cutbacks were more ruthless than Mike Harris in Ontario, yet lefties still treat Harris' name like the boogeyman while praising Paul Martin. People who are praising Martin are probably not leftists in any real sense.
Smallc Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 Martin's cutbacks were more ruthless than Mike Harris in Ontario, yet lefties still treat Harris' name like the boogeyman while praising Paul Martin. That's because they have poor grasp of history.
Argus Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 That's because they have poor grasp of history. No, it's because they have different standards depending on the political ideology of the people involved. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted September 11, 2015 Report Posted September 11, 2015 No, it's because they have different standards depending on the political ideology of the people involved. That too.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 If you completely ignore reality - oh right, it's you. Never mind. And you have yours. Mine is based on facts, but I can see how that would be possibly boring to you.
Argus Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 And you have yours. Mine is based on facts, but I can see how that would be possibly boring to you. It's funny how you never seem to have any, then. I can't remember the last time you actually cited anything of substance. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 It's funny how you never seem to have any, then. I can't remember the last time you actually cited anything of substance. I know people like to ignore certain facts that fly in their face, but you can go to some of the statscan cites that have been posted here to get the lowdown.
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 No, it's because they have different standards depending on the political ideology of the people involved. That too. Let me guess. You two are above all that?
Smallc Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Let me guess. You two are above all that? I would say that I am, yes, since I've defended Chretien, Martin, Harper, Doer....
Argus Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I would say that I am, yes, since I've defended Chretien, Martin, Harper, Doer.... And I've attacked Harper on any number of occasions. But someone like Waldo or On Guard would set himself on fire before uttering a single word critical of the Liberals or saying one good thing about the Tories. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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