socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 ... i Especially those of the homeless, the sick and the unemployed. JT was in Ajax today touting his plan for fairness for the "struggling middle class". On August 26th he will be back as the guest of honor along with York Centre candidate Michael Levitt at a $1500 per person fundraising cocktail party hosted by billionaire Bernard Sherman and his wife. Oh, the irony.....I mean the middle class spends $1500 on a cocktail dinner regularly, right? Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 EverIncreasingArgusDesperation... mention JT's hair ... drop a reference to the 30+ year old government of long-dead PET ... continue with the "he's not ready" theme ... continue to play-up HarperCon purposeful misinformation routine ... I hardly think it desperation to mention the two main reasons why Trudeau is campaigning as the leader of the Liberal Party, those being his hair and his name. If he was a bald guy named Smith he'd never have even been considered for leader of the Liberal Party. In fact, he'd never have even been a Liberal candidate. I don't recall any time in Canadian history where a man of so little substance and accomplishment has been put forth as the suggested leader of Canada. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 I hardly think it desperation to mention the two main reasons why Trudeau is campaigning as the leader of the Liberal Party, those being his hair and his name. I don't recall any time in Canadian history where a man of so little substance and accomplishment has been put forth as the suggested leader of Canada. you mean compared to, say... Stephen Harper, who was a lobbyist for a shadowy conservative group ... and a one-term MP for a party that never won government! Like that? With that "powerful resume", how was Harper... ready? Didn't they know the job of PM isn't an entry-level job? .
Argus Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) you mean compared to, say... Stephen Harper, who was a lobbyist for a shadowy conservative group ... and a one-term MP for a party that never won government! Like that? With that "powerful resume", how was Harper... ready? Didn't they know the job of PM isn't an entry-level job? . Harper spent some nineteen years working in politics, as aides and assistants to MPs in the Tory and Reform Party, policy chief, organizer and strategist of the latter, then an MP for the Canadian Alliance. He then headed a conservative lobby group before returning as Alliance leader and MP, whereupon he was able to negotiate the merging with the old Tories, then was elected leader. Nineteen years of strong political experience from all sides, from the back rooms to running for office, to lobbying politicians. And he did it all without nice hair and without a name anyone knew, and without family connections or money. Trudeau taught at a private high school for two years. And you think this is equivalent?! Seriously!? Edited August 18, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 Harper spent some nineteen years working in politics, as aides and assistants to MPs in the Tory and Reform Party, policy chief, organizer and strategist of the latter, then an MP for the Canadian Alliance. He then headed a conservative lobby group before returning as Alliance leader and MP, whereupon he was able to negotiate the merging with the old Tories, then was elected leader. Nineteen years of strong political experience from all sides, from the back rooms to running for office, to lobbying politicians. what a croc! You've outdone your own partisanship measuring bar... Harper started in 1985 as a gopher for a Calgary PC MP... that supposedly lasted a year! In 1987 Harper was a nobody within a group that formed the Reform Party... eventually running for and winning a Reform MP seat in 1993. Harper had a falling out with Preston Manning and left (not seeking re-election in 1997)... left and was named "NCC Vice President" the same day he resigned his MP seat in 1997... and not being able to keep a job , Harper left that in 2001 and was gifted a candidacy/seat when Ezrant gave it up to him... for "undisclosed considerations"! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). all through that, the 'milktoast' Harper rode the waves of circumstance, change and opportunity... principally the void left by western disenchantment with Mulroney's PCs... to riding Manning's coat-tails... to having a token NCC position handed to him... to having Ezrant gift him his Alliance candidacy... to Joe Clark's bumbling the leadership of the PCs... to the idiot Stockwell Day's position as Alliance leader...
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) what a croc! You've outdone your own partisanship measuring bar... Harper started in 1985 as a gopher for a Calgary PC MP... that supposedly lasted a year! In 1987 Harper was a nobody within a group that formed the Reform Party... eventually running for and winning a Reform MP seat in 1993. Harper had a falling out with Preston Manning and left (not seeking re-election in 1997)... left and was named "NCC Vice President" the same day he resigned his MP seat in 1997... and not being able to keep a job , Harper left that in 2001 and was gifted a candidacy/seat when Ezrant gave it up to him... for "undisclosed considerations"! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). all through that, the 'milktoast' Harper rode the waves of circumstance, change and opportunity... principally the void left by western disenchantment with Mulroney's PCs... to riding Manning's coat-tails... to having a token NCC position handed to him... to having Ezrant gift him his Alliance candidacy... to Joe Clark's bumbling the leadership of the PCs... to the idiot Stockwell Day's position as Alliance leader... So working in Politics for almost 20 years isn't anything special now? As Drake says, he started from the bottom and now he's here. It's not comparable to JT's rise to power. JT wouldn't be the leader of the Liberals if his last name was Smith. Edited August 18, 2015 by Boges
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 So working in Politics for almost 20 years isn't anything special now? if you do an actual tally... the best you can squuueeeeze out is 15 years "working in politics"... as a gopher, tag-along, hand-holder, coat-tail rider... and "victim of opportunistic circumstance"! Oh wait... are you saying Harper is a career politician... and has never held a "real job"?
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 if you do an actual tally... the best you can squuueeeeze out is 15 years "working in politics"... as a gopher, tag-along, hand-holder, coat-tail rider... and "victim of opportunistic circumstance"! Oh wait... are you saying Harper is a career politician... and has never held a "real job"? And he got elected PM. Everyone's accomplishments are based on these "opportunistic circumstance". JT is the leader of the Liberals because of who his father was and that Iggy was a shitty leader. I like dismiss Harper's accent to leader of the CPC due to Stockwell Day's incompetence but don't mention anything about Iggy or Stephan Dion. Same deal.
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 ya ya, Boges! That Harper resume padding would get someone fired in the real world... you know, the world 'the career politician' Harper has never held a job in!
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) ya ya, Boges! That Harper resume padding would get someone fired in the real world... you know, the world 'the career politician' Harper has never held a job in! Someone getting fired for the resume they already have? Did he lie about what he's done? I'm not big on trashing JT's previous experience, whatever it is. I'm more critical of JT cuz he says stupid shit. Edited August 18, 2015 by Boges
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 Someone getting fired for the resume they already have? Did he lie about what he's done? I'm not big on trashing JT's previous experience, whatever it is. I'm more critical of JT cuz he says stupid shit. em-Bell-Ish-Ment! of course, there's "stupid shyte" and then there's purposeful, taken-out-of-context, one-liner, attack-ad misinformation, hey!
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 em-Bell-Ish-Ment! of course, there's "stupid shyte" and then there's purposeful, taken-out-of-context, one-liner, attack-ad misinformation, hey! "The budget will balance itself" is the same type of ignorant crap that Liberals pounced on when Belinda Stronach said we need to bake a bigger economic pie. Until of course she joined them.
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 "The budget will balance itself" is the same type of ignorant crap that Liberals pounced on when Belinda Stronach said we need to bake a bigger economic pie. Until of course she joined them. I will not be voting for Trudeau. He is empty headed and leading the same old Shawinagan-handshake Liberals. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) "The budget will balance itself" is is... is a case example of Harper Conservatives purposely taking wording out of context and using it within a purposeful misinformation attack ad! Apparently... you're quite down with that! No problemo, hey! . Edited August 18, 2015 by waldo
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 is... is a case example of Harper Conservatives purposely taking wording out of context and using it within a purposeful misinformation attack ad! Apparently... you're quite down with that! No problemo, hey! . Yes because in context saying that makes perfect sense. And of course the Liberals would never use words Harper says against them without fully using them in context or anything.
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 And he got elected PM. We don't elect PMs. They're appointed by the Governor General.
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 We don't elect PMs. They're appointed by the Governor General. Kay. So no one looks at the leader of the party when casting a ballot?
cybercoma Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 Kay. So no one looks at the leader of the party when casting a ballot? I guess if you're in the leader's riding you would be looking at his or her name.
PIK Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 em-Bell-Ish-Ment! of course, there's "stupid shyte" and then there's purposeful, taken-out-of-context, one-liner, attack-ad misinformation, hey! Trudeau is a walking attack ad, against himself. I have no problem with Justin as a human. But he just does not have it ,to lead this country. I think he would have a problem saying no and wanting to be all to all and that just does not work. Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 And of course the Liberals would never use words Harper says against them without fully using them in context or anything. but the Libs! But the Libs! ... are you really arguing the fact Harper Conservatives, the CPC, use this tactic as a regular ongoing means of purposeful attack ad misinformation? Of course Liberals have attack ads... but none that I'm aware of that have actually taken Stephen Harper's words out-of-context and used that for the basis of an entire purposeful misinforming attack ad - can you?
Argus Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) what a croc! You've outdone your own partisanship measuring bar... Harper started in 1985 as a gopher for a Calgary PC MP. From what I see and read those MP assistants can put in pretty long hours, but I wouldn't expect your answer to have a shred of honesty or integrity. I'm honest enough to admit I don't really like the man and many of the things he's done, but he did put in nineteen years in politics before seeking the PM job. .. that supposedly lasted a year! In 1987 Harper was a nobody within a group that formed the Reform Party... eventually running for and winning a Reform MP seat in 1993. Indeed, and yet he became policy chief. He worked his way up from the bottom to be an influential man in the party, and he did it from being a 'nobody' as you say. Justin Trudeau, by comparison, was courted by party leaders, many of whom were family contacts, and pretty much given the job as Liberal leader because he was pretty and his name was Trudeau. Two years as high school teacher vs nineteen years at every level of politics. Only a shrill political zealot would try to compare their experience for the job. Edited August 18, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
socialist Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 but the Libs! But the Libs! ... are you really arguing the fact Harper Conservatives, the CPC, use this tactic as a regular ongoing means of purposeful attack ad misinformation? Of course Liberals have attack ads... but none that I'm aware of that have actually taken Stephen Harper's words out-of-context and used that for the basis of an entire purposeful misinforming attack ad - can you? How were Trudeau's words, "The budget will balance itself," taken out of context? Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Boges Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Posted August 18, 2015 but the Libs! But the Libs! ... are you really arguing the fact Harper Conservatives, the CPC, use this tactic as a regular ongoing means of purposeful attack ad misinformation? Of course Liberals have attack ads... but none that I'm aware of that have actually taken Stephen Harper's words out-of-context and used that for the basis of an entire purposeful misinforming attack ad - can you? Look at all the Martin attack ads from 2006. Troops in the streets etc. Public Service Unions are the worst ad fear mongering based on incomplete facts with attack ads. It's fascinating that you're deflecting in a thread about Liberals to Harper and then when we bring it back to the Liberals you accuse me of deflecting. And I fail to see how "The Budget can Balance itself" isn't fair game for attack ad fodder.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 "The budget will balance itself" is the same type of ignorant crap that Liberals pounced on when Belinda Stronach said we need to bake a bigger economic pie. Until of course she joined them. I thought growing the economy from the heart was up there........
waldo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 ... because he was pretty and his name was Trudeau. Two years as high school teacher vs nineteen years at every level of politics. Only a shrill political zealot would try to compare their experience for the job. I can't help that you find JT... pretty! As I said, if you were honest with yourself, the best you could do is squeeze out 15 years from that embellished resume of Harper's and attribute it to "working in politics"... and if you were further honest with yourself you'd further restrict that embellished resume by half to where Harper wasn't either, "a benefactor of widespread western disenfranchisement... aka, "the west wants in", "a junior gopher", "following the path of others; riding coat-tails", "a gift recipient", "a victim of opportunistic positioning", "falling into leadership through the bumbling of Joe Clark and the idiocy of Stockwell Day", etc.! I do find it rather convenient for you to include the initial MP years for Harper... while completely dismissing those of JT (7 years... along with party leadership), to summarily characterize experience as "2 years of teaching". Notwithstanding JT had his own early gopher years around Liberal candidates starting in the early 2000s... and I understand he grew up in a political household... something about his father! Harperites sure want to belittle that last name as simply a ready-opener for JT... but never want to consider what that last name actually meant in terms of growing up... around that last name! Is this you being... honest with yourself?
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