PIK Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 And how do you know the charges are bogus. The only reason anyone here cares about this guy , is to be able to shit on the government. So if trudeau is PM we can expect him to bring home every criminal in the worlds jails. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Sometime we have to work with people we don't trust or agree with. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 So you don't mind having our citizenship worth as much as a prize in a cracker jack box.Got yours for less than the cost of cracker jack. So if yours was worth less, then ok, cracker jack it is. But it seems to be given out freely to people that don't want to live here.Foreign Bureau correspondant. What do you want, a green screen in Toronto rep[orting on the Suez Canal? LOL! Sorry but to me it worth more then that.Wait, you paid less than that for yours so those who piad more can have it. What he did in is no different then going to Saudi Arabia and sitting on the beach having a beer and then whine when you are thrown in jail.Another poop in the bed. Thats two today Quote
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 And how do you know the charges are bogus.I dont, but every single other paper and even the PM of Aus and our own Ambassador has said its a travesty of justice. The only reason anyone here cares about this guy , is to be able to shit on the government. So if trudeau is PM we can expect him to bring home every criminal in the worlds jails. Ohhhh.....maybe it was a Toronto Star conspiracy too ! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 This situation irks me. The media made a big deal out of the Australian reporter being released because their PM called. Big difference - Mohammed Fahmi is an Egyptian citizen - not an Australian. Fahmi also happens to have Canadian citizenship - but after receiving it, he's been out of the country for 15 years working in the Middle East. He was born in Egypt and only lived in Canada for 5 years or so.....so he's much more Egyptian than Canadian.....and THAT'S why he's in more trouble than the Australian. When people make questionable decisions - if not allegiances - we cannot have our Prime Minister running around trying to get them out of jail. That's what diplomats are for - and we've done an awful lot for this ungrateful EGYPTIAN/Canadian. So to follow your logic you think that because Fahmi has dual citizenship and the Australian doesnt, then the charges against against them apply more to the former, than the latter. Apparently Abbot disagrees with you and his citizen is now home. Quote
jacee Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Look at thier name. Are they really Canadian? Seems suspicious to me that all of these Muslims ...Nothing to see here.Can't see huffing and puffing and hot air. :/ There's only one reason Harper didn't help Fahmy: bigoted Conservative voters. http://www.straight.com/news/396171/mohamed-fahmy-story-cbc-fifth-estate-doesnt-answer-why-stephen-harper-isnt-helping-al Harper has weighed the politics of Fahmy's case and has concluded, on balance, that not assisting him will win more votes than helping to get him freed. . Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee Quote
overthere Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 I have to say I don't see where we're responsible for what happens to this guy. There we go, another character who thinks that there are different degrees of equality. He is a citizen and has every single right that any citizen of Canada enjoys. Yes he is brown and has a non-Anglo name but he carries the same passport I do. And that includes consular support, which he has been getting. We are not responsible for his actions, if indeed he did anything, but he absolutely should get whatever help any Canadian in this situation should get. The case is bogged in a horrific bog of Egyptian political strife. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 jacee, your posts are starting to border on psychosis and obsession. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Nothing to see here. Can't see huffing and puffing and hot air. :/ There's only one reason Harper didn't help Fahmy: bigoted Conservative voters. http://www.straight.com/news/396171/mohamed-fahmy-story-cbc-fifth-estate-doesnt-answer-why-stephen-harper-isnt-helping-al Harper has weighed the politics of Fahmy's case and has concluded, on balance, that not assisting him will win more votes than helping to get him freed. . Or: 1. Harper has little sympathy for people who take out Canadian citizenship but who move back to their countries of origin, only to seek the Canadian government's help when they get into trouble. We saw how the Conservatives were so critical of former Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff for living abroad for so many years, ridiculing him for "just visiting" when he returned to Canada. The Conservatives also amended immigration legislation after Lebanese Canadians sought government assistance after Israel invaded Lebanon in 2006. If Harper sees Fahmy as a "Canadian of convenience", it's not going to help the journalist's case. 2. Harper might have sought the advice of his close friend, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, on how to respond to the Fahmy case. Netanyahu is no doubt happy about the coup that ousted the Muslim Brotherhood government in Cairo. Egypt's hardline stance against Al Jazeera is something Netanyahu would like, given the station's harsh coverage of Israeli actions over the years. So if Netanyahu thinks that the conviction of Al Jazeera journalists in Egypt is good for Israel, Harper's not likely going to lose any sleep trying to free Fahmy. 3. Harper believes that Fahmy is guilty of helping the Muslim Brotherhood and is not going to budge from that position—and has no qualms about someone found guilty of this being sentenced to a lengthy jail term. 5. Harper wants to expand trade with Egypt and feels that going to bat for Fahmy will reduce the likelihood of Canadian companies getting a bigger foothold in the Egyptian economy, which is largely controlled by the military. Canadian merchandise exports to Egypt were $720 million in 2011, up sharply from the two previous years, according to the federal government's website. 6. Harper doesn't think Canada should meddle in the domestic legal system of a country ruled by a president who wants to crush the Muslim Brotherhood. Quote
jacee Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) jacee, your posts are starting to border on psychosis and obsession. Gee that's quite the personal attack. Having a bad day? ... Or are you always like that? You do know that resorting to a personal insult is a clear sign that you have nothing intelligent to say? . Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Well, it APPEARS the PM isn't doing enough, and yes we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but for Canadians it does SEEM Harper refuses to make a phone call if it could help get him released. So what would Harper do for other Canadians in the same situation? Canada is not responsible for getting people out of trouble they get themselves into. In point of fact the ONLY thing Canada is obligated to do when a citizen is arrested abroad is visit him to see if he's being tortured, and offer him a list of local legal representatives. When you get in trouble abroad it's basically on you to get yourself out in most cases. Canada is no different from the rest of the world in that respect. Obviously they've chosen to do a lot more in this case, and no thanks they're getting for it either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 So who's brainwave was it to make Egypt a brother in arm's against those who hate our freedoms? Nothing makes us look more like we're being played for suckers than shit like this. Keep up the good work and appearances Harper...ya stupid putz. I don't know that Canada has ever had a big relationship with Egypt. Certainly our relationship with them is nothing like the US has. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Please tell us how a foreign journalist is supposed to commute every weekday or weekly back to Canada to satisfy those people in Canada who ignorantly use this 'he's been gone ' approach to denigrate their felow citizens? Link please. Good luck with that. By the way, he's Canadian through and through, as much as you are even. Imagine that ! Fahmy was born in Egypt, grew up partly in Kuwait, came to Canada, then attended university in the United States. He has never worked in Canada or for any Canadian organization. He started work for the LA Times, then CNN, then middle eastern news outfits. It does not seem to me that, aside from the paperwork, which allows him to use one of our passports as a shield in autocratic countries, he has any ties to Canada. So no, he's not "Canadian, through and through". Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Or: 1. Harper has little sympathy for people who take out Canadian citizenship but who move back to their countries of origin, only to seek the Canadian government's help when they get into trouble. Then Harper should say so....but I doubt he thinks this. 2. Harper might have sought the advice of his close friend, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, on how to respond to the Fahmy case.Why would he ? Its an Egypt/CDN problem and every other report suggest this is a travesty of justice. 3. Harper believes that Fahmy is guilty of helping the Muslim Brotherhood and is not going to budge from that position—and has no qualms about someone found guilty of this being sentenced to a lengthy jail term.He'd be the only one. And it would mean he aint none too bright. 5. Harper wants to expand trade with Egypt and feels that going to bat for Fahmy will reduce the likelihood of Canadian companies getting a bigger foothold in the Egyptian economy, which is largely controlled by the military. Canadian merchandise exports to Egypt were $720 million in 2011, up sharply from the two previous years, according to the federal government's website.Sepecious at best 6. Harper doesn't think Canada should meddle in the domestic legal system of a country ruled by a president who wants to crush the Muslim Brotherhood.May be true, but then again he should be concerned for justice. Quote
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 So no, he's not "Canadian, through and through".Hes a CDN citizen, with the same rights as you and I and everyone else holding the same passport. So yes...he is Canadian through and through. Quote
Guest Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Then Harper should say so....but I doubt he thinks this. Why would he ? Its an Egypt/CDN problem and every other report suggest this is a travesty of justice. He'd be the only one. And it would mean he aint none too bright. Sepecious at best May be true, but then again he should be concerned for justice. These are all the other options from the Georgia Straight article Jacee quoted number 4 from. I thought they were just as deserving. I have no personal favourite. Quote
overthere Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Gee that's quite the personal attack. Having a bad day? ... Or are you always like that? You do know that resorting to a personal insult is a clear sign that you have nothing intelligent to say? . You do know that blaming everything in life on Harper is a sign of -at very best- a lack of perspective? That was a pretty quick edit by you, speaking of personal attacks. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Nothing to see here. Can't see huffing and puffing and hot air. :/ There's only one reason Harper didn't help Fahmy: bigoted Conservative voters. http://www.straight.com/news/396171/mohamed-fahmy-story-cbc-fifth-estate-doesnt-answer-why-stephen-harper-isnt-helping-al Harper has weighed the politics of Fahmy's case and has concluded, on balance, that not assisting him will win more votes than helping to get him freed. . You are patently dishonest. Your own cite gives SIX possible reasons for Harper not wanting to help, and that is one, and all of them are mere suppositions. If any of them have any likelihood of influence it was the first one. Harper has little sympathy for people who take out Canadian citizenship but who move back to their countries of origin, only to seek the Canadian government's help when they get into trouble. We saw how the Conservatives were so critical of former Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff for living abroad for so many years, ridiculing him for "just visiting" when he returned to Canada. The Conservatives also amended immigration legislation after Lebanese Canadians sought government assistance after Israel invaded Lebanon in 2006. If Harper sees Fahmy as a "Canadian of convenience", it's not going to help the journalist's case. On the other hand, the government hasn't exactly ignored this. Foreign affairs has made a lot of effort here, and Baird has gone there, as well. Harper has apparently mentioned it in contacts with Egyptians himself. But I can certainly see why he wouldn't have much sympathy for Fahmy. Edited February 27, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) You do know that blaming everything in life on Harper is a sign of -at very best- a lack of perspective?You do know that the thread is about Harper's actions, or lack of. Should I blame his behaviour on someone else? Oh wait! I did! Bigoted Conservative voters. Not his fault. Is that better? . Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 There we go, another character who thinks that there are different degrees of equality. Canada has no responsibility for ANY citizens who get in trouble abroad. You don't know that? It's not up to the government to get you out of whatever predicament you fall into for any reason, regardless of who you are or where you were born. Here's news to you liberals. The government is not your mommy or your daddy. He is a citizen and has every single right that any citizen of Canada enjoys. Yes he is brown and has a non-Anglo name but he carries the same passport I do. Who says you're even a citizen? Yes, he has every legal right a normal Canadian does, even if he's not really a Canadian, having no Canadian blood and having spent virtually no time here during his lifetime. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Hes a CDN citizen, with the same rights as you and I and everyone else holding the same passport. Have I questioned his legal rights? So yes...he is Canadian through and through. Being a Canadian, to some of us, means more than putting down some money and getting a stamp on a piece of paper. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 You do know that the thread is about Harper's actions, or lack of. Should I blame his behaviour on someone else? Oh wait! I did! Bigoted Conservative voters. Not his fault. Is that better? . Why haven't you helped Fahmy? Are you a bigot? Do you hate brown people? Why aren't you going over there to plead his case? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 By the way, he's Canadian through and through, as much as you are even. Imagine that ! Pure ignorance . Well done ! The PM like the PM of Australia could make a call since they all know the charges are bogus. It's hard to find precise information but here's what we do know: Born in 1976 Moved to Canada in 1991 Assuming he obtained citizenship fairly quickly - say 5 years - that moves us to 1996 We know he covered the Iraq war for the LA Times in 2002 - and he has not been back in Canada since. That leaves a 40 year old man with about 11 years living in Canada, max - and 6 years as a Canadian. That's not what I would consider "Canadian through and through" But the situation is more complex - Fahmy is an Egyptian citizen and therefore subject to Egyptian law. The Australian was not. Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar - who also fund the Muslim Brotherhood......so you can see, the situation is not as clear as the media make out and a phonecall from Harper without laying a complex diplomatic path would have been fruitless. Quote Back to Basics
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Canada has no responsibility for ANY citizens who get in trouble abroad. You don't know that? It's not up to the government to get you out of whatever predicament you fall into for any reason, regardless of who you are or where you were born.Not quite right there argus. Canadian Consular Services are there to assist a Canadian workiing studying or travelling abroad. That is their mandate and why they exist. Now some services are not offered , but in this case their mandate to ensure you are treated fairly under a country’s laws if you are arrested or detained applies. Here's news to you liberals. The government is not your mommy or your daddy. I think perhaps instead of trying to school us on the news, in light of not knowing it, perhaps it best you go and learn it? Just a thought. Edited February 27, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Have I questioned his legal rights?Fair enough. Being a Canadian, to some of us, means more than putting down some money and getting a stamp on a piece of paper.It means getting a Certificate and or Passport.Of course it also means most of us here did nothing to get the citizenship, no money, no stamp for it. A CDN is welcome to all the legal rights of any other citizen. Quote
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