Spiderfish Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Apparently. Apparently what?? Is this what you believe? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Apparently what?? Is this what you believe? He has couched what he is doing in language to make his base, and other tin hat wearers, that they need his new law to keep them safe. But the potential outcome is exactly as you described it. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Posted March 11, 2015 Take a look at their respective budgets and you too may begin to comprehend the word. As Mulcair pointed out, there are more staff at the parliamentary cafeteria than at SIRC. It would be nice if you supported your conention with a link that shows how the SIRC budget has been gutted. Perhaps you might be right - I'm just asking that you support your assertion. Make sense? Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csis-watchdog-agency-starved-of-staff-resources-1.2965276 Quote
Spiderfish Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Apparently what?? Is this what you believe? He has couched what he is doing in language to make his base, and other tin hat wearers, that they need his new law to keep them safe. But the potential outcome is exactly as you described it. So...yes, that is what you believe? I'm not sure why you're having issues answering the question directly. If it's what you believe, just own it. I personally think that this viewpoint is short-sighted and shows very little regard the views of Canadians, assuming Harper is controlling the majority of the population through fear. I believe I understand your view on this, and can only offer to you that it may be worth reviewing this perspective and confirm who exactly is wearing the tin hat. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 I personally think that this viewpoint is short-sighted and shows very little regard the views of Canadians, assuming Harper is controlling the majority of the population through fear. I don't think he's controlling the population through fear, but it's not for a lack of trying. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 So...yes, that is what you believe? I'm not sure why you're having issues answering the question directly. If it's what you believe, just own it. I personally think that this viewpoint is short-sighted and shows very little regard the views of Canadians, assuming Harper is controlling the majority of the population through fear. I believe I understand your view on this, and can only offer to you that it may be worth reviewing this perspective and confirm who exactly is wearing the tin hat. I just answered the question. I have read the law and have listened to the many critiques of it from legal experts. I am aware of the statistics of the actual threat of terrorism, and I ca easily see how this bill could easily be misused against peoples charter rights. Yep, I have a pretty good handle on who is wearing the tin hats. Harper keeps appealing to them with his rants about jihadis declaring war on us. Quote
Spiderfish Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) I don't think he's controlling the population through fear, but it's not for a lack of trying. Apparently OGFT does, and that destroying their freedom is going to win him an election. Edited March 11, 2015 by Spiderfish Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Apparently OGFT does, and that destroying their freedom is going to win him an election. As BD points out, hes trying. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Posted March 11, 2015 Yep, I have a pretty good handle on who is wearing the tin hats. Harper keeps appealing to them with his rants about jihadis declaring war on us. Apparently - according to you - the vast majority of Canadians are wearing tinfoil hats. But hey - keep trying to convince us that ISIS and the Jihadists have NOT declared war on the West. Our own tiny little Neville Chamberlain! Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Apparently - according to you - the vast majority of Canadians are wearing tinfoil hats. But hey - keep trying to convince us that ISIS and the Jihadists have NOT declared war on the West. Our own tiny little Neville Chamberlain! I am certainly no fan of ISIS or any other such group. I just dont like the rush to judgement that C 51 is going to do anything more than what we already have on the books is already doing. And it opens up th potential for all kinds of abuse. So in effect, it could have a much more deleterious effect on us than them Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I am certainly no fan of ISIS or any other such group. I just dont like the rush to judgement that C 51 is going to do anything more than what we already have on the books is already doing. And it opens up th potential for all kinds of abuse. So in effect, it could have a much more deleterious effect on us than them You're entitled to your opinion but there's no need for you to pompously ridicule that large majority of Canadians who disagree with you as tinfoil hats. Edited March 12, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Spiderfish Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 You're entitled to your opinion but there's no need for you to pompously ridicule that large majority of Canadians who disagree with you as tinfoil hats. Or imply that the majority of Canadians are a society of mindless oafs being controlled through fear by Harper to achieve his grand Orwellian plan to strip all freedoms from the citizens that have been given to us and fought for by our brave, intelligent ancestors before us. Tin hat doesn't even come close, better get out the mylar space blanket. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Or imply that the majority of Canadians are a society of mindless oafs being controlled through fear by Harper to achieve his grand Orwellian plan to strip all freedoms from the citizens that have been given to us and fought for by our brave, intelligent ancestors before us. Tin hat doesn't even come close, better get out the mylar space blanket. So you dont think Harper is flogging fear to try and garner support for his bill I take it... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 You're entitled to your opinion but there's no need for you to pompously ridicule that large majority of Canadians who disagree with you as tinfoil hats. Sorry you think it is pompous to point out what is wrong with this bill. Quote
Spiderfish Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 So you dont think Harper is flogging fear to try and garner support for his bill I take it... Not to the point you do. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Not to the point you do. Is this an attempt to convey some sort of message... Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 So you dont think Harper is flogging fear to try and garner support for his bill I take it... . Our PM is merely telling the truth about terrorism. Thankfully the PM isn't prepared to stick his head in the sand, putting Canadians at risk. The left is prepared to do nothing instead the left would like to understand ISIS and Al-Shabab and that way they wouldn't want to attack Canada anymore. To the left they just need a hug.Thankfully, the vast majority of Canadians support this bill and the PM can only pray that the left makes terrorism an election issue. They will be handing the PM another sure victory. The other two are weak on terrorism and weak on crime. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 . Our PM is merely telling the truth about terrorism. Thankfully the PM isn't prepared to stick his head in the sand, putting Canadians at risk. The left is prepared to do nothing instead the left would like to understand ISIS and Al-Shabab and that way they wouldn't want to attack Canada anymore. To the left they just need a hug. Thankfully, the vast majority of Canadians support this bill and the PM can only pray that the left makes terrorism an election issue. They will be handing the PM another sure victory. The other two are weak on terrorism and weak on crime. We already have laws that already work. The left cautiously approaches a law that very well may not work, but may degrade our human rights, with trepidation. You should be thankful there are those who will try and protect you from unwittingly giving away those rights, at least without anybody riding shotgun. (Its called oversight) Quote
Spiderfish Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Is this an attempt to convey some sort of message... It's not really that difficult, pretty self explanatory actually. I certainly do not believe that a sound election strategy is to strip Canadians of their rights and freedoms, and I think Harper is smart enough to understand that this would not be an efficient platform on which to base an election. I also have a little more faith in the voting public than you and believe that if this is supported by the majority of the public, it's because people feel it's necessary, not because they're stupid and full of fear. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 It's not really that difficult, pretty self explanatory actually. I certainly do not believe that a sound election strategy is to strip Canadians of their rights and freedoms, and I think Harper is smart enough to understand that this would not be an efficient platform on which to base an election. If that were Harper's intent, what makes you think he'd be any more upfront about it than he's been with, well, anything else? I also have a little more faith in the voting public than you and believe that if this is supported by the majority of the public, it's because people feel it's necessary, not because they're stupid and full of fear. No, people are stupid. How many would actually bother to read the legislation, let alone any informed commentary around it? Quote
GostHacked Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I'll step in now, because you should only talk about tin foil and hats when I am present. ... carry on. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Nothing to hide folks. Privacy watchdog Daniel Therrien blocked from C-51 committee witness list Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Posted March 12, 2015 Sorry you think it is pompous to point out what is wrong with this bill. As I said - it's pompous when you "make your point" by ridiculing that majority of Canadians who disagree with your opinion as Tin Hats. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 It's not really that difficult, pretty self explanatory actually. I certainly do not believe that a sound election strategy is to strip Canadians of their rights and freedoms, and I think Harper is smart enough to understand that this would not be an efficient platform on which to base an election. I also have a little more faith in the voting public than you and believe that if this is supported by the majority of the public, it's because people feel it's necessary, not because they're stupid and full of fear. Obviously you have bought into what Harper is selling here, that certainly isnt difficult. People have been led down the garden path en masse before. I suggest a lot of people buy it without really studying it, or by listening to many legal pros who have raised any a red flag over this bill. Quote
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