cybercoma Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) What is it based on? Every welfare office and public housing area seems to be filled with people who can barely speak English, so is the goal of immigration to provide work for welfare workers?Hopefully you still have me on ignore, so you don't have to face inconvenient facts that destroy the stupid arguments that you make. "Only 16 per cent of immigrant families living in poverty were receiving social assistance benefits in 2004, compared to 33 per cent of Canadian-born low-income families who received benefits from social assistance programs." http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2222361-10-myths-about-immigration/ Since Harper destroyed the long-form census it has been near impossible to get accurate figures on these things since 2006, so 2004 is going to have to do. Turns out Canadian-born low-income families are TWICE as likely to be drawing welfare than immigrants living in poverty. Care to flaunt any more of bigoted biases that have no basis in reality? How much time does someone like you who makes roughly $400k a year gross spend at the welfare office? Edited April 7, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 What is it based on? Every welfare office and public housing area seems to be filled with people who can barely speak English, so is the goal of immigration to provide work for welfare workers? Well you are slipping into those broad reaching statements as usual, (I am being kind there) but you should review the actual numbers before you jump to your conclusions. Quote
guyser Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 What is it based on? Every welfare office and public housing area seems to be filled with people who can barely speak English, so is the goal of immigration to provide work for welfare workers?Go outside any metro area.....and everyone in a welfare office is a born Canuck. They use welfare far more than anyone else. Quote
Argus Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Go outside any metro area.....and everyone in a welfare office is a born Canuck. They use welfare far more than anyone else. Since most immigrants are in metro areas I'm sure you're right that welfare would be more likely to be native born - especially if you include aborigines. My point is if I'm going to be buying a case of beer every week, discovering two of the beers are empty every week is not going to make me shrug and console myself with the fact the other 22 were okay. They should ALL be okay! Having two of them empty ought to be unacceptable. So why is it acceptable that so many of our immigrants are economic failures when the whole reason we have an immigration program is the alleged but never documented benefits to our economy? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Since most immigrants are in metro areas I'm sure you're right that welfare would be more likely to be native born - especially if you include aborigines. My point is if I'm going to be buying a case of beer every week, discovering two of the beers are empty every week is not going to make me shrug and console myself with the fact the other 22 were okay. They should ALL be okay! Having two of them empty ought to be unacceptable. So why is it acceptable that so many of our immigrants are economic failures when the whole reason we have an immigration program is the alleged but never documented benefits to our economy? Gee ... I don't know ... I guess maybe people are more complex than a case of beer ... Ya think? :/I'd like to see that case of beer go through a displaced refugee's experiences and come out with 22 bottles. And of course a lot of 'defective cases of beer' are born right here! A lot of them defective because of parental overconsumption of alcohol. Oh! Now your argument is in a pickle! . Edited April 7, 2015 by jacee Quote
jbg Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 The hijab to me at a Canadian citizenship ceremony is no different than a KKK member wearing their hood. Its not a religious belief. Its a cultural one based on political values. The government is neutral. It must remain neutral. When it has such a ceremony all its participants must show respect for one another. Its not one way. We are not talking about head coverings. We are talking about covering the face totally. Huge difference. Its not going to work. It won't work in a society where we show our face on our driver's license, in court and in public for security reasons. If someone can't make that most basic of compromises, don't ask me to molly coddle them and treat them like they are victims if they don't get to practice intolerance. They have a choice. Don't take on Canadian citizenship. Canada does not, in the name of political correctness, have to give obeisance and respect to barbaric values. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Thank God we dont let the narrow minded redneck jerks run our country and its laws. Quote
jacee Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 They have a choice. Don't take on Canadian citizenship. Canada does not, in the name of political correctness, have to give obeisance and respect to barbaric values. Apparently the courts of Canada do not care about your opinion. Me neither. . . Quote
Je suis Omar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Rue: We are a democracy. As such we shall debate the cultural values we want this country to promulgate. Omar: Whenever you find yourself up a stump, Rue, you furiously increase your rate of shovelling. A higher pile of BS isn't any different that a lower one. We are a democracy and one of the most important principles is personal freedom of expression. Not Rue's or harpers or Kenny's narrow minded, bigoted notion of what personal freedom of expression means, but the meaning embraced by most thinking Canadians, or Americans or Brits or ... . Rue: Some of us do not want a country that embraces cultural values that feel a female face is sexually provocative and needs to be covered up. We also question any cultural value or religious value that comes into conflict or contradicts the existing Canadian values. Omar: "Some of us" sums up and describes your entire argument. It doesn't matter a good dog damn what Some of us want. What part of personal freedom of expression do you not understand? Edited April 8, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
Je suis Omar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Thank God we dont let the narrow minded redneck jerks run our country and its laws. Can you say Harper, Kenny(sp??), ... ? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 , but the meaning embraced by most thinking Canadians, or Americans or Brits or ... . No....America rejects the legal limits to freedom of expression found in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 America likes to maintain the right to use the Colt 45 as a means of expression. At least until it gets pried from their cold dead hand. Quote
Argus Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Thank God we dont let the narrow minded redneck jerks run our country and its laws. Do you feel yourself so incapable of dealing with someone else's belief in what immigration policy ought to be that you can only resort to self-righteous insults? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 No....America rejects the legal limits to freedom of expression found in Canada.Obvious BS since the US has no free speech zones, last one I knew of was near the UN in NY. Nice try though. Quote
Argus Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Can you say Harper, Kenny(sp??), ... ? Can you say Omar El-Husein the terrorist who murdered people in Copenhagen recently? I understand someone almost went to jail for using the expression "Je suis Omar" on his facebook page, and wishing the dead terrorist good fortune in the afterlife. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Do you feel yourself so incapable of dealing with someone else's belief in what immigration policy ought to be that you can only resort to self-righteous insults? I thought Id try your approach for a change. Not too sure I like it though, Ill leave that up to you from now on. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Full stop. Is Canada forcing the immigrants to come? Why should Canada subordinate its culture to others. They are coming here, presumably for a better life. I don't like how the Hutterites or Haredim dress. If they're coming to spread the Islamosphere world wide, that's not acceptable. Telling quote from Mr I embrace democratic principles. And these ginormous leaps of logic! Quote
Argus Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 I thought Id try your approach for a change. Not too sure I like it though, Ill leave that up to you from now on. My approach is usually to use logic to beat the living hell out of the dumb ideas you and the others on the left come up with, pour facts and figures on them, and watch them squirm around looking for anything to counter them with other than banal insults. Maybe you can try that for a change. All you need is a few facts. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Can you say Omar ... fe. Michael Hardner does not approve of trolling, Argus. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 My approach is usually to use logic to beat the living hell out of the dumb ideas you and the others on the left come up with, pour facts and figures on them, and watch them squirm around looking for anything to counter them with other than banal insults. Maybe you can try that for a change. All you need is a few facts. Could you point out your facts and figures, in this or in any post you've ever posted at MLW, Argus? Quote
Argus Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Michael Hardner does not approve of trolling, Argus. I'm not trolling. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of someone bleating about terrorism but using a moniker which suggest support for terrorism. I think I've pointed this out a number of times so far and I've yet to see anything from you which explains what 'je suis omar' is other than an expression of support for terrorism. Maybe you could come up with one. I would welcome it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Could you point out your facts and figures, in this or in any post you've ever posted at MLW, Argus? Sure, the term "Je suis Omar' was posted by a Muslim Dane after the terrorist Omar El-Hussein was killed by police after murdering several people in Cophenhagen recently. Danish police investigated the person who posted those words. I wonder if Canadian police would be interested in someone using them to identify himself on the internet... Edited April 8, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 My approach is usually to use logic to beat the living hell out of the dumb ideas you and the others on the left come up with, pour facts and figures on them, and watch them squirm around looking for anything to counter them with other than banal insults. Maybe you can try that for a change. All you need is a few facts. Naw, your approach is usually, well, just like the one I am responding to. Quote
Argus Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Naw, your approach is usually, well, just like the one I am responding to. I've posted reams of material, including economic studies and statistics on immigration. What have you contributed but snarky insults? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted April 8, 2015 Report Posted April 8, 2015 Rue: This country started with specific aboriginal values. It was then added to by British and French laws, cultures and traditions. It was then added to by many ethnic groups who came to Canada and none of us imposed and demanded our values be forced on others. Omar: Lordy, lord, but you are ignorant of history, Rue! Have you not heard of the Canadian government's long standing policy of genocide against First Nations peoples, supported actively and passively by most all Canadians. Do you not know of the Residential Schools? Really, get yourself up to speed before you recommence to shovelling. Quote
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