Transgender operations insurable? Beyond Hilarious

[Guest]

I daresay the procedure would be accompanied by competent medical reasoning, from mental health professionals as well as physical.

If I was in the situation and a Psychiatrist suggested a viable alternative, I would jump at it.

[eyeball]

Give it up Tim, you will never ever get your head around this in a million years.

[TimG]

I daresay the procedure would be accompanied by competent medical reasoning, from mental health professionals as well as physical.

Mental health professionals are not omniscient and get sucked into fads and popular trends like everyone else.

If I was in the situation and a Psychiatrist suggested a viable alternative, I would jump at it.

Only a completely irresponsible psychiatrist would suggest such a thing (but I am sure there are many that exist). Such a proposition should only come from the person affected.

IMO, a psychiatrist recommending sex changes to a person with gender issues is like a psychiatrist recommending heroin to a drug addict.

Edited December 15, 2014 by TimG

[guyser]

I daresay the procedure would be accompanied by competent medical reasoning, from mental health professionals as well as physical.

Correct, Thats what makes it a no brainer. 'Medically necessary'

[TimG]

Correct, Thats what makes it a no brainer. 'Medically necessary'

And soon we will have heroin dispensed to drug addicts because someone decides it is 'medically necessary'. Society should not be enabling people with serious mental health issues. They should be helping address their issues without resorting to self destruction.

[Guest]

Mental health professionals are not omniscient and get sucked into fads and popular trends like everyone else.

Only a completely irresponsible psychiatrist would suggest such a thing (but I am sure there are many that exist). Such a proposition should only come from the person affected.

Ah, when I said viable alternative, I meant viable alternative to the procedure. In other words, if mental health professionals thought there was an alternative, I, in that situation, would jump at it, rather than have the surgery.

[guyser]

IMO, a psychiatrist recommending sex changes to a person with gender issues is like a psychiatrist recommending heroin to a drug addict.

A Dr recommending a cure is the same as a Dr recommending the drug thats killing them.

Not much there Im afraid. That analogy is so way off.....

[Guest]

And soon we will have heroin dispensed to drug addicts because someone decides it is 'medically necessary'.

That's another good idea, as far as I'm concerned. But that's another thread...

[Black Dog]

I can't for the life of me figure out why this subject is catnip to transphobic Tim.

[TimG]

Ah, when I said viable alternative, I meant viable alternative to the procedure. In other words, if mental health professionals thought there was an alternative, I, in that situation, would jump at it, rather than have the surgery.

Sorry. Yes - I think society should allow people with gender disphoria integrate without feeling they have to mutilate themselves. That would mean being more tolerate of transvestites.

[TimG]

A Dr recommending a cure is the same as a Dr recommending the drug thats killing them.

Heroin does not kill when there is no overdose. Physiologically it is likely no worse than hormones that people take after a sex change.

[guyser]

And soon we will have heroin dispensed to drug addicts because someone decides it is 'medically necessary'.

Pretty sure they would be presecribed Methadone along w behavioral therapies.

. Society should not be enabling people with serious mental health issues. They should be helping address their issues without resorting to self destruction.

Gots a degree huh? Where from?

You fail to address the salient point that if the insurance companies offer psychological disorders then they must play by the rules.

Not to mention, the insurance companies by and large are fine with this.

[TimG]

That's another good idea, as far as I'm concerned. But that's another thread...

You have obviously never dealt with any recovered drug addicts.

[Guest]

Sorry. Yes - I think society should allow people with gender disphoria integrate without feeling they have to mutilate themselves. That would mean being more tolerate of transvestites.

I agree entirely. That might reduce the number of those who feel they need the surgery.

I think we're some way away from that at the moment, though.

[guyser]

Heroin does not kill when there is no overdose. Physiologically it is likely no worse than hormones that people take after a sex change.

Do you have a link or will you rely on the 'likely' part to bail you out?

[Guest]

You have obviously never dealt with any recovered drug addicts.

No, I haven't. And I have to admit, I see the idea as being more for crime reduction than medical necessity, but I would still advocate for the legal, government supervised distribution of narcotics to addicts.

[TimG]

You fail to address the salient point that if the insurance companies offer psychological disorders then they must play by the rules.

This thread may be about the insurance issue but that is not my argument. I know this 'gender change as a medically necessary service' thinking has a lot of supporters and the insurance companies are pandering to them.

[TimG]

No, I haven't. And I have to admit, I see the idea as being more for crime reduction than medical necessity, but I would still advocate for the legal, government supervised distribution of narcotics to addicts.

My opinions on this topic come from direct family experience with drug addiction and recovery. I have seen active addicts rationalize and blame everything for their problems and I seen them finally see the light and recognize that their problems were fundamentally internal and that they needed to come to terms with the world as it is. I see people with 'gender disphoria' as another type of addict that are using gender identity to avoid dealing with the world as it is. Edited December 15, 2014 by TimG

[guyser]

This thread may be about the insurance issue but that is not my argument.

Ok.

But what argument is there if the insurance company has to pay and they appear fine with it? (Suspect they could see it coming from a long way off)

I know this 'gender change as a medically necessary service' thinking has a lot of supporters and the insurance companies are pandering to them.

Pandering to them by being instructed to follow the law.

How does that make any sense whatsoever?

[guyser]

I see people with 'gender disphoria' as another type of addict that are using gender identity to avoid dealing with the world as it is.

What are they addicted to? Edited December 16, 2014 by Guyser2

[TimG]

But what argument is there if the insurance company has to pay and they appear fine with it?

Not worth arguing about. Insurance companies respond to social expectations. The issue here are not the insurance companies but the social expectations. I think it misguided to place so much emphasis on surgical solutions and not enough on making society less hostile for adults with gender disphoria. Edited December 16, 2014 by TimG

[TimG]

What are they addicted to?

The question just shows that you don't understand the nature of addiction. The substance is the symptom - not the cause. Edited December 16, 2014 by TimG

[jacee]

Yes, I am aware of the various rationalizations which are constructed but humans are capable of rationalizing just about anything if they have a sufficient motivation.

So what's their motivation?

But constructed rationalizations are not facts and no one else should be expected to accept rationalizations if they are fundamentally illogical.

Illogical how?

[Big Guy]

If one believes that "transgender" can be "repaired" so the individual is now happy with his/her gender then one must also believe that being "gay" is also a condition that can be "fixed" so the person becomes "normal".

I do not.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Big Guy

[TimG]

If one believes that "transgender" can be "repaired" so the individual is now happy with his/her gender then one must also believe that being "gay" is also a condition that can be "fixed" so the person becomes "normal".

Complete nonsense. Telling "transgender" people to live with their body is no different than telling an anorexic teenage to live with hers. People are born with the bodies they have. Mutilating it to conform with someone's view of their identity is never justified. Telling someone that self-mutilation will make the happy is just vile. Edited December 16, 2014 by TimG