Why is Harper keeping Fantino?

[On Guard for Thee]

There is no indication that the "Vet Vote" is swinging away......of course, as said before, the current Veterans Charter was tabled by the previous Liberal Government, and supported by both the Tories and NDP and is only opposed by a fraction of Veterans and members of PSAC........likewise, current serving members (the next generation of Veterans) understand all too well the implications beset upon the Canadian Forces by a Liberal and/or NDP Government.........

The bad press continues to pile up. Now we have a court case in BC. Fantino tried to redeem himself in QP today and failed miserably. As I say, I hope they keep him right were he is. Short tern pain for long term gain for the vets, et al

[Smallc]

And yet the parties are now tied in the polls.

[Derek 2.0]

The bad press continues to pile up. Now we have a court case in BC. Fantino tried to redeem himself in QP today and failed miserably. As I say, I hope they keep him right were he is. Short tern pain for long term gain for the vets, et al

The court case in BC has been ongoing for some time........none the less, the majority of serving and retired members fully understand that the Liberals/NDP, by in large, like yourself, see Veterans as nothing but political pawns as made evident by your remarks:

Short tern pain for long term gain for the vets

You understand the majority of the remaining vets within the system are no longer playing the "long game" right?

[On Guard for Thee]

Harper is, for the moment, keeping Fantino because A: it makes him look weak if he does a shuffle, and B: he is banking on the fact everyone will get busy with Xmas and forget about it all over the holidays. I don't think that's going to work. People have solid respect for vets, as they should, and the fine print on this latest BS about the 200 million over 6 years isn't going to go away. And of course there are a lot more of Harper's "chicken's" coming home to roost in the new year. Get ready for an early election is my advice.

[Smallc]

I guess when you hate the other team that much, everything looks like a scandal.

[Derek 2.0]

Harper is, for the moment, keeping Fantino because A: it makes him look weak if he does a shuffle, and B: he is banking on the fact everyone will get busy with Xmas and forget about it all over the holidays. I don't think that's going to work. People have solid respect for vets, as they should, and the fine print on this latest BS about the 200 million over 6 years isn't going to go away. And of course there are a lot more of Harper's "chicken's" coming home to roost in the new year. Get ready for an early election is my advice.

You consider it respectful to, in your view, keep vets suffering for political gain?

[On Guard for Thee]

You consider it respectful to, in your view, keep vets suffering for political gain?

That's a rather dense response. Apparently Harper thinks it's OK though.

[Derek 2.0]

That's a rather dense response. Apparently Harper thinks it's OK though.

No, the current Government doesn't feel its doing anything bad too Vets.........it is you that stated you feel Vets are suffering, and that you hope they continue to suffer and this results in them voting for a differing party (other than the Tories).......

[On Guard for Thee]

For crying out loud! It's not me complaining, I'm not a vet. It's the vet's who are complaining. If I could change the goernment tomorrow I would, however we do that wiht federal elections as you may understand.

[Derek 2.0]

For crying out loud! It's not me complaining, I'm not a vet. It's the vet's who are complaining. If I could change the goernment tomorrow I would, however we do that wiht federal elections as you may understand.

So since you can't change the Government, you prefer to Vets to "continue to suffer" (in your opinion) so as to leverage votes for the next Federal election........in a word, you consider Veterans a political tool.

[On Guard for Thee]

Please read and try to understand: "If I could change the government tomorrow I would" I would do that to stop the degrading of the VA. I'm not a vet but I've been in a number of war zones, with Canadians as well as others. I would like them to be treated right and I don't think this government is doing so. Got it?

[Derek 2.0]

Please read and try to understand: "If I could change the government tomorrow I would" I would do that to stop the degrading of the VA. I'm not a vet but I've been in a number of war zones, with Canadians as well as others. I would like them to be treated right and I don't think this government is doing so. Got it?

Did you not post:

As I say, I hope they keep him right were he is. Short tern pain for long term gain for the vets, et al

How in your view, are all Vets not being treated right by the current Government, likewise, how would you expect it to be different under a Liberal or NDP Government?

When the Liberals, Conservatives and NDP all voted in support of the current Veterans Charter, do you feel the intent was to treat Veterans poorly?

[On Guard for Thee]

We are going to spend 200 mil over 6 years. Oops fine print says 50 years. Soldier with both legs blown off in Afghanistan get's his pension gutted. Points of access for vets closed. It goes on and on.

[Derek 2.0]

We are going to spend 200 mil over 6 years. Oops fine print says 50 years. Soldier with both legs blown off in Afghanistan get's his pension gutted. Points of access for vets closed. It goes on and on.

Would you say there are more vets now than post WW II and Korea and could this play into the department size of Veterans Affairs Canada? And how was a soldier's pension "gutted"?

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm quite sure you already know the answer to the first part of your question, obvious as it is. The government told a lie and buried it in the fine print. Watch the interview with the soldier in question if you like. I can't speak for him.

[Derek 2.0]

I'm quite sure you already know the answer to the first part of your question, obvious as it is. The government told a lie and buried it in the fine print. Watch the interview with the soldier in question if you like. I can't speak for him.

What lie did the Government tell?

[On Guard for Thee]

6 years vs 50.

[Derek 2.0]

6 years vs 50.

You seem confused, as stated in the announcement, ~150 million will be used to construct a new mental health clinic on the East Coast and expand other current facilities across Canada, in addition, another ~50 million will be added (over the life of the program, which is 50 years) to medical research......50 years after all is only natural, fore the majority of the Afghan vets will be in their 70s,80s and even 90s at the end of the clinical research program.....

So, what was the lie?

[On Guard for Thee]

Now you're just eating the pablum. It was clearly demonstrated from the governments own paperwork that the 200 million was to be spread over 50 years. Harper himself stood in the house and said 6 years. Caught red handed. The smell of the BS was obvious.

[Derek 2.0]

Now you're just eating the pablum. It was clearly demonstrated from the governments own paperwork that the 200 million was to be spread over 50 years. Harper himself stood in the house and said 6 years. Caught red handed. The smell of the BS was obvious.

No, a portion of the funding, directed at medical research, will be funded over 50 years..........Can you comprehend the importance of clinical research over the lifespans of the participants? Might it not be important to follow the progress of an Afghan vet today, that is 25 years old, out into his or hers 70s, 80s etc?

[On Guard for Thee]

Sure I can understand it. Why can't Harper just tell it like it is? Why tout it as 200 million over 6 years while standing in the house while in fact the paperwork shows it's actually 200 million over 50 years. Surely you can comprehend the difference there?

[Derek 2.0]

Sure I can understand it. Why can't Harper just tell it like it is? Why tout it as 200 million over 6 years while standing in the house while in fact the paperwork shows it's actually 200 million over 50 years. Surely you can comprehend the difference there?

They didn't, the media did......the initial announcement by the Minister(s) stated that the bulk of the funding (increasing capacity of clinics) would be spent in the first six years, in addition to funding clinical medical research through the length of the planned programs, which is 50 years, the expected lifetime of the majority of Afghan vets........apparently, either a Veteran affairs spokesperson (as a later follow-up) and/or webpage latter led to the incorrect reporting, but, the intent was clear from the start.....

[PIK]

Harper does not like being told when to get rid of someone, so when things settle a little bit ,he will be gone.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well keep in mind Harper got rid of Bev Oda, Maxime Bernier, Peter Penashue when those scandals unfolded and the PR got bad. I suspect Natynczyk isn't just there to keep a seat warm.

[peoples advocate]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/12/01/stephen_harper_aide_takes_over_as_chief_of_staff_to_veterans_minister_julian_fantino.html

Fantino is incompetent and a liar. He should be turfed immediately.

In the current Government of Canada a liar gets promoted .