DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I do not know the background of those executions. It was not part of your post. Sure you didn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Right...and you told me I should just enjoy the music as the bodies sway. Don't be daft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Don't be daft You and Big Guy admire Iran. I have to assume you approve of their methods if you're supporting them. Edited June 14, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 You and Big Guy admire Iran. I have to assume you approve of their methods if you're supporting them. Do I have to defend my position vis a vis the link big guy posted? I don't think so. It is cultural and has nothing to do with hanging pictures you randomly place here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Do I have to defend my position vis a vis the link big guy posted? I don't think so. It is cultural and has nothing to do with hanging pictures you randomly place here.... So Iran doesn't execute homosexuals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 So Iran doesn't execute homosexuals? You have missed the point.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) You have missed the point.... You seem to have implied it was Iran's 'culture' to hang homosexuals from cranes. Not a part of the justice system. Did The Shah also murder gays? Edited June 14, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) You seem to have implied it was Iran's 'culture' to hang homosexuals from cranes. Not a part of the justice system. Did The Shah also murder gays? ....posts are subject to interpretations....amyone with a common sense will see the point I was trying to make here. You do have the tendency to politicise everything. Edited June 14, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 ....posts are subject to interpretations....amyone with a common sense will see the point I was trying to make here. You do have the tendency to politicise everything. It's a political forum. Did the Shah execute homosexuals for being homosexuals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 It's a political forum. Did the Shah execute homosexuals for being homosexuals? Duh! And here I was thinking it is simpsons show... The point you are making is irrelevant as you have the tendency to highjacknthe topic for your motivations. Have been here long to see your style... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Duh! And here I was thinking it is simpsons show... The point you are making is irrelevant as you have the tendency to highjacknthe topic for your motivations. Have been here long to see your style... The Shah did not execute homosexuals for being so unlike the current fellows in charge. The Shah's wife, Farah, was also a big fan of women's liberation...so she kept the Shah in line re: women's rights in modernity. Iran used to be a close friend of both Israel and the USA before the Islamic fascists took over in 1979. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) The Shah did not execute homosexuals for being so unlike the current fellows in charge. The Shah's wife, Farah, was also a big fan of women's liberation...so she kept the Shah in line re: women's rights in modernity. Iran used to be a close friend of both Israel and the USA before the Islamic fascists took over in 1979.Whilst this is true is it only the bit that iran was a close friend of Israel back then that appeals to you? I mean in all honesty if iran under the shah was exactly the same as you described but hostile towards israel would you still hold the same opinion? Hmmm i don't think so Edited June 14, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Whilst this is true is it only the bit that iran was a close friend of Israel back then that appeals to you? Iran was a much better place under The Shah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Iran was a much better place under The Shah. Same shah whose father you described as nazi sympathiser? Common make your mind up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Same shah whose father you described as nazi sympathiser? Common make your mind up... The Shah's father was a Nazi sympathizer and invited German officials to Iran for strategy meetings frequently. Iran was renamed from Persia in honour of Hitler's rise to power. Stalin was taking keen interest in this activity and when Germany invaded the USSR in 1941, used the opportunity to invade Iran and instill the pro-Allied Shah...not only to protect his flank but to hopefully take the oil fields. Churchill was having none of this and 'co-operated' with Stalin on the invasion of Iran so that Britain could take control of the oil fields rather than Stalin. Smart move it proved to be as the USSR along with Iranian communists tried to make Iran part of the USSR in 1946. I encourage you to read-up on your own nation's history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) The Shah's father was a Nazi sympathizer and invited German officials to Iran for strategy meetings frequently. Iran was renamed from Persia in honour of Hitler's rise to power. Stalin was taking keen interest in this activity and when Germany invaded the USSR in 1941, used the opportunity to invade Iran and instill the pro-Allied Shah...not only to protect his flank but to hopefully take the oil fields. Churchill was having none of this and 'co-operated' with Stalin on the invasion of Iran so that Britain could take control of the oil fields rather than Stalin. Smart move it proved to be as the USSR along with Iranian communists tried to make Iran part of the USSR in 1946. I encourage you to read-up on your own nation's history. ...,Question still stands as you have conveniently avoided...Why would one support Iran knowing that his father was a nazi sympathiser? Also if Iran under the shah was hostile towards Israel would you still have the selective recollection of saying good things about iran? Edited June 14, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) ...,Question still stands as you have conveniently avoided... Why would one support Iran knowing that his father was a nazi sympathiser? Also if Iran under the shah was hostile towards Israel would you still have the selective recollection of saying good things about iran? Stalin removed said Nazi sympathizer in 1941. His son, The Shah, was pro-Allied all the way. Iran and Israel had good relations under The Shah. Everybody prospered. Edited June 14, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Stalin removed said Nazi sympathizer in 1941. His son, The Shah, was pro-Allied all the way. Iran and Israel had good relations under The Shah. Everybody prospered. I thought that wouldn't wash well with your mufti argument where you blamed everything on him. But apparently it is okay to have a relation with Iran whose leader was a nazi sympathiser of kozac origin just because shah iran was friendly towards israel.... This is it everything with you revolves around Israel. If iran under the shah was hostile towards israel you wouldn't say nice things about iran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) I thought that wouldn't wash well with your mufti argument where you blamed everything on him. But apparently it is okay to have a relation with Iran whose leader was a nazi sympathiser of kozac origin just because shah iran was friendly towards israel.... This is it everything with you revolves around Israel. If iran under the shah was hostile towards israel you wouldn't say nice things about iran Nobody removed the pro-Nazi Mufti. He lived to a ripe old age and died in 1974. At least he got to see the Arabs defeated yet again in another surprise attack on Israel called the Yom Kippur War...or the October War for you. Before you were born, no doubt. Edited June 14, 2016 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 The point remains that your selective approach to praise one country whose leader was a nazi sympathiser (as you put it) over mufti shows your bias is just in favour of whichever country is friendly towards israel. A bit hypocritical me thinks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 The point remains that your selective approach to praise one country whose leader was a nazi sympathiser (as you put it) over mufti shows your bias is just in favour of whichever country is friendly towards israel. A bit hypocritical me thinks.... The Shah's father didn't become one of the main perpetrators of the Final Solution, escape justice and then start a war in the Middle East. I'm not a fan of either men. Your 'logic' fails yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 The Shah's father didn't become one of the main perpetrators of the Final Solution, escape justice and then start a war in the Middle East. I'm not a fan of either men. Your 'logic' fails yet again. The Shah's father didn't become one of the main perpetrators of the Final Solution, escape justice and then start a war in the Middle East. I'm not a fan of either men. Your 'logic' fails yet again. You wouldn't have supported shah if he was everything that you mentioned but hostile towards israel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 You wouldn't have supported shah if he was everything that you mentioned but hostile towards israel... I'm a Canadian...I can't support the Shah. I'm just dealing with history...not opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'm a Canadian...I can't support the Shah. I'm just dealing with history...not opinion. that didn't answer the question but i take it your answer is a no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 that didn't answer the question but i take it your answer is a no You're dealing in hypothetical events. I'm sticking to real history as that is what counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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