Bro Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 Are you glad the liberals won the last federal election? If you are,is this for personal gain,or for the good of Canada as a whole?Please give brief reason for your decision to put the liberals back in power with their lack of accountability to the residents of Canada who did not feel they deserve another chance of governing Canada. Quote
August1991 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 I don't believe there are any Liberal voters on this forum. It seems to be infested with NDPers and "Alliance-Conservatives" and several others of unknown allegiance. Liberal voters are either too smart or too stupid to waste their time on Internet forums. Quote
Slavik44 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 Are you glad the liberals won the last federal election?If you are,is this for personal gain,or for the good of Canada as a whole?Please give brief reason for your decision to put the liberals back in power with their lack of accountability to the residents of Canada who did not feel they deserve another chance of governing Canada. lol, I don't think there is a big L liberal on this site, I think newfie sorta hinted at voting liberal but I could be wrong. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
caesar Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 I voted Liberal federally. I am not crazy about Paul Martin or his hand picking candidates (one in my riding). However, the alternative (Harper) would have been very uncomfortable. I do not like the man's ethics or policies. Nor do I like his immature style of critique of the government. I especially did not like his desire for closer ties to GWB. Relation with the USA can be repaired when they come to their senses and jettison that dangerous puppet of Cheney. Quote
Newfie Canadian Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 lol, I don't think there is a big L liberal on this site, I think newfie sorta hinted at voting liberal but I could be wrong. Nice memory Slavik. I voted Liberal in the last election, primarily because I voted for the MP, not the party. Our MP is a popular, former provincial MHA who seems to work hard and doesn't seem to be afraid to mix it up. Plus he happens to Newfoundland's cabinet rep. John Efford. I voted PC in the last provincial election about a year ago, mainly because the Liberal incumbent said he'd look into the shoddy care my daughter received at our local hospital, and didn't. I don't consider myself a Liberal, Conservative or Socialist. I vote from election to election. I don't mind saying I'm primarily center-left on the political scale, but when it comes to certain issues I'm more center-right, especially when it comes to National Defence. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
August1991 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 I voted Liberal federally. I stand corrected. "[Touches ear] I've got a Liberal voter here, Lloyd, should I interview him?" ---- From your post Caesar, it seems you voted Liberal because you are anti-American. You are entitled to your opinion but appeals to such knee-jerk emotions offend me. In the last election, David Herlihy was copying from a Master. To set up this Trudeau anecdote, bear in mind that 1) Trudeau was prepared to do anything to stop any possibility of treating Quebec differently from another province (IOW, Trudeau wanted to sink Meech Lake) and 2) Mulroney was in the process of negotiating a US Free Trade Agreement. In this context, Trudeau writes a very polemical piece published in Lapresse and The Toronto Star in which he calls Mulroney a poltroon (un pleutre) and in which he says the PM of Canada - for respect - must never "kowtow to the Americans" (faire la courbette devant les Américains). In both cases, the English is excellent but the French is better. Trudeau, when necessary and to defend his sacrosanct symmetrical Canada, was a demagogue. His appeal to English-Canadian anti-Americanism was cheap - but no doubt necessary, in Trudeau's mind. It worked. Meech sank. Parizeau did almost the same in his 1995 referendum night speech when he referred to the "ethnic vote". At the time, when I heard it, I thought that Parizeau was honestly expressing a frustration. He was speaking out loud. Trudeau's comment was calculated, and in writing. Quote
caesar Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 From your post Caesar, it seems you voted Liberal because you are anti-American I am NOT anti American; like the majority of the world; I dislike and distrust Bush and Cheney. They have acted rashly and unwisely; treated others arrogantly and have endangered North America more than ever. Bush and his puppet master Cheney are world wide bullies that believe only the USA and Israel matter. Quote
caesar Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 And you August are anti anything Canadian. Trudeau was correct and for once everyone knew the name of a Canadian Prime Minister. Quebec should NEVER have been treated any differently than any other province. What makes them so "special" If any race or nationality deserves special recognition it is our First Nation Natives. I believe that we should bring them into one Canada; not create more nations within a nation. We need to join together all our people and become the strong influencial, successful nation we could be. We need a strong central government not a slew of mini governments with shared power and financing and constant power struggles. Time to grow up and act like a proud nation. Quote
Stoker Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 I am NOT anti American; like the majority of the world; I dislike and distrust Bush and Cheney. They have acted rashly and unwisely; treated others arrogantly and have endangered North America more than ever. Bush and his puppet master Cheney are world wide bullies that believe only the USA and Israel matter. Would you want a Prime Minister that puts another nations best intrests above our own? And you August are anti anything Canadian. Trudeau was correct and for once everyone knew the name of a Canadian Prime Minister. Quebec should NEVER have been treated any differently than any other province. What makes them so "special" If any race or nationality deserves special recognition it is our First Nation Natives. I believe that we should bring them into one Canada; not create more nations within a nation. We need to join together all our people and become the strong influencial, successful nation we could be. We need a strong central government not a slew of mini governments with shared power and financing and constant power struggles. Time to grow up and act like a proud nation. But what if we are not a proud nation? In the above quote you state: "everyone knew the name of a Canadian Prime Minister" then you bring up "pride"? If you were a proud nation, would it mater if "everybody" knows who our Prime Minister is? Also, if we were a "proud nation", why do we need to bring everybody together? Wouldn't we all ready be together? So what is it? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
August1991 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 And you August are anti anything Canadian.I enjoy reading the stories of the people who lived here and I enjoy going about the pathways I find here. I have lived in different countries, but I have discovered no other specific place to call home.I am just not a nationalist. Also, if we were a "proud nation", why do we need to bring everybody together? Wouldn't we all ready be together?So what is it? A canoe trip? A fishing trip? IME, women and men in Canada know how to roll up a sleeping bag, whatever the language. IME, abroad, it's not a given. Quote
caesar Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 Also, if we were a "proud nation", why do we need to bring everybody together? Wouldn't we all ready be together?So what is it? Some of us are proud of our nation; then there are the separatist whiners from Quebec and Alberta whose only thought is what's in it for ME. Most of us do have pride in Canada; but that does not mean we cannot grow and become a stronger nation; if some would just join with us and quit their selfish belly aching. Quote
Stoker Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 Some of us are proud of our nation; then there are the separatist whiners from Quebec and Alberta whose only thought is what's in it for ME.Most of us do have pride in Canada; but that does not mean we cannot grow and become a stronger nation; if some would just join with us and quit their selfish belly aching. So the cause of the "belly aching" is not important? What if it spreads to the "proud provinces"? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
caesar Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 What has either province to whine about. Alberta is rich in resources and wants more. Quebec is always being catered too and heavily subsidized. Quebec is the foolish one; they require constant subsidizing now; how do they expect to survive on their own?? Quote
daniel Posted October 21, 2004 Report Posted October 21, 2004 After having lived through various Conservative governments and Social Credit governments, I can say I'd much prefer Liberal governments. Liberal scandals just don't measure up when in comparison to the scandals the Conservatives and Socreds create. Quote
Stoker Posted October 22, 2004 Report Posted October 22, 2004 What has either province to whine about. Alberta is rich in resources and wants more. Quebec is always being catered too and heavily subsidized. Quebec is the foolish one; they require constant subsidizing now; how do they expect to survive on their own?? Again, is the cause of the "belly aching" not important? Where there is smoke (Provincal belly aching), there is fire(the cause of the belly aching). Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
caesar Posted October 22, 2004 Report Posted October 22, 2004 not if it is just self center spoilt brat selfishness which is all it appears to be. Quote
Stoker Posted October 22, 2004 Report Posted October 22, 2004 caesar, I'm more then willing to discuss this topic with you, but can we keep this at an adult level? For the last time, is the cause of the "belly aching" not important? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
JWayne625 Posted October 22, 2004 Report Posted October 22, 2004 Never voted Liberal. I just found that I couldn't in good conscience support a party or Leader who has misappropriated millions of taxpayer's dollars and lied about it. Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a bunch of thieves and liars? Even Chretien himself saw nothing wrong with this misapprropriation of funds as long as Quebec stayed within Canada. His main concern wasn't Canada, it was losing his federal riding seat and thus his right to hold onto power if Quebec was to separate. I'm sure many of his fellow Quebec power barons were afraid of the same thing. Quote
ticker Posted October 22, 2004 Report Posted October 22, 2004 caesar, I'm more then willing to discuss this topic with you, but can we keep this at an adult level?For the last time, is the cause of the "belly aching" not important? I guess there is no "belly aching" if your a socialist from another province. everything is fine in socialville and ceaser refuses to address the cause of the belly aching as you say. Quote
Big Blue Machine Posted October 23, 2004 Report Posted October 23, 2004 I'm not going to vote Liberals as long as the Conservative don't screw up big time. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Argus Posted October 24, 2004 Report Posted October 24, 2004 From your post Caesar, it seems you voted Liberal because you are anti-American I am NOT anti American; like the majority of the world; I dislike and distrust Bush and Cheney. They have acted rashly and unwisely; treated others arrogantly and have endangered North America more than ever. Bush and his puppet master Cheney are world wide bullies that believe only the USA and Israel matter. I have little more than contempt for Bush myself, and I think Cheney richly deserves his "Darth Vader" nickname. He's a crook, and he's making a bundle out of this war. But you ARE anti-American. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 24, 2004 Report Posted October 24, 2004 After having lived through various Conservative governments and Social Credit governments, I can say I'd much prefer Liberal governments. Liberal scandals just don't measure up when in comparison to the scandals the Conservatives and Socreds create. All governments in BC appear to be infested with crooks, regardless of their political stripes. Don't extrapolite onto the federal scene from that. Nothing the federal Conservatives have done comes close to matching the corruption of the federal Liberals. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
caesar Posted October 24, 2004 Report Posted October 24, 2004 I wouldn't bet the farm on that Argus. Mulroney may have escaped charges but I still have my suspicion. As far as I am concerned; he sold us out to the Americans with his one sided Free Trade agreement. The GST may not be eligible for corruption charges but it sure was a vile money grab. Quote
Stoker Posted October 24, 2004 Report Posted October 24, 2004 I wouldn't bet the farm on that Argus. Mulroney may have escaped charges but I still have my suspicion. As far as I am concerned; he sold us out to the Americans with his one sided Free Trade agreement. The GST may not be eligible for corruption charges but it sure was a vile money grab. What suspicions are those? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
August1991 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Posted October 24, 2004 Mulroney may have escaped charges but I still have my suspicion.Charges for what? A journalist wrote a book that was filled with incorrect facts and then it turns out that she was an informer for the RCMP.Mulroney won his libel suit against the Liberal government and the RCMP dropped all charges. This partisan Liberal investigation resembled the politics of a Third World tinpot dictator. It tarnished the RCMP and wasted $10 million of taxpayer's money. As far as I am concerned; he sold us out to the Americans with his one sided Free Trade agreement.One way to view the Free Trade agreement is that it made it much more difficult for the US Congress to do stupid things like erect artificial trade barriers. The US Congress still does this, but it's more difficult.Trade is not a zero-sum game. The agreement was about reducing barriers and making them difficult to resurrect. Ordinary Canadians benefit when there are few barriers. The GST may not be eligible for corruption charges but it sure was a vile money grab.The GST replaced the Manufacturer's Sales Tax which dated from the 1920s and was an incredibly stupid tax. The GST is one of the most sophisticated taxes in the world. My only criticsm is that it should have been combined with provincial taxes (now the HST) and then combined into an item's selling price (as VAT is in Europe).The provinces didn't want anything to do with the GST and Wilson opted for visibility, fearful that the Liberals would raise an invisible tax. The GST and Free Trade are great accomplishments for Canada. If Mulroney had got Meech Lake through (and he came very close), he would have been one of Canada's most effective Prime Ministers. What did Chretien leave for us? The Clarity Act, billion dollar boondoggles and a sponsorship scandal that is profoundly insulting: Canada can be held together through public relations. I'll admit that Chretien was far better in a crowd than Mulroney. Chretien loved to glad-hand. Quote
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