WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Full stop. Nobody is glorifying anything, BUDDY. I think you made a mistake when you edited my comment to make your reply comment. Paper clip issue. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
GostHacked Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Again, I'll await until the proposed changes are known though........ You won't know until the law is passed. Much of the proposals were there since they introduced bill C-30. It is important to note that the SCC has ruled in favour of Canadians by deeming the powers as unconstitutional when the government tried 2-3 more slight variations of that bill. If another bill gets rammed through (as it will) you can bet that it will violate the rights and privacy of Canadians. This time it will bypass the SCC and get put into law. Remember, giving CSIS more powers was what they were to vote on that day when the incident occurred. Overall the gunman is now a distraction from what the government wants to put into place in terms of broader 'security' powers, which will indeed violate the rights of Canadians. Quote
Argus Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Since it was mental illness that caused this guy to go over the edge, It wasn't. That is pure speculation on your part and on the part of others who are desperate to find some reason for his actions which don't reflect badly on Islam. He was a loser. But there are lots of losers out there. He blamed others for his problems. Also not unique. He was a conspiracy fetishist, which you can find aplenty on this site. What radical Islam provided him was a comforting sense of outrage, a similar group of people who wallow in perceived injustices and use that as an excuse to commit violence, and as a hope to make something of their miserable lives in the form of some glorious martyr to the cause. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Ya because you think that he couldn't be apprehended! Next time it happens I vote we send you in after the gunman. Win-win situation there... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 The problem stems from us picking sides or playing them against one another...even switching sides... now that's really playing with fire. No, it actually doesn't. It stems from a violent religious fanaticism which tells them God approves of whatever hey do. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 No, it actually doesn't. It stems from a violent religious fanaticism which tells them God approves of whatever hey do. I think you (and others) are missing the bigger picture now. The dialogue of talking about the radicalization via Islam is a distraction for the laws that are going to give CSIS more powers that violate the rights of Canadians. This is the real story now. Quote
Argus Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 I don't think that your problem is with us. It seems to be with every member of parliament, the press, and all Canadians. You're about as fringe as it gets. This is the guy who blithely dismisses any charges the Chinese government violates human rights, calls their courts free and fair, and says there's more freedom in China than in Canada... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 I think you (and others) are missing the bigger picture now. The dialogue of talking about the radicalization via Islam is a distraction for the laws that are going to give CSIS more powers that violate the rights of Canadians. This is the real story now. What does that even mean? If it's legal it doesn't violate anyone's rights. And the only people it's going to cause issues with are the screwballs and nutjobs. Which, btw, might well apply to a few of the people on this web site. God only knows what's on some of your computers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Icebound Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 No it's not. This is false! What we have here is an obvious sign that our system failed. People get sick, it's not a crime or a "derangement" as you so colorfully call it! WWWTT Although I may not be a fan of some of your detractors, I worry when you attack posts without even understanding them.... What is it that you consider "false"? There is no mention of criminality. Criminality is something for courts to determine. Their decision would have, of course, taken into account the mental state of the perpetrator. "Derangement" is a dictionary synonym for insanity. Are you denying that this person was insane at the time? Quote
GostHacked Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 What does that even mean? If it's legal it doesn't violate anyone's rights. And the only people it's going to cause issues with are the screwballs and nutjobs. It was not legal, it violated the constitution, this is why the SCC ruled against the broadening powers for CSIS previously. An important point to note. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/conservatives-to-give-spy-agency-more-powers-to-track-terrorism-suspects/ar-BB9tglD The new proposed legislation, the text of which has yet to be released, would amount to the first legislative fix of the CSIS Act since Parliament first created the spy service in 1984. While the bill is being described as a clarifying tweak rather than an overhaul, it would give CSIS tracking powers it has been losing in its legal confrontations with judges over the past decade. Legal confrontations means that the judges ruled in favour of upholding the law of the land. Quote
eyeball Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 The Muslim connection may (or may not) have been a trigger point....along with drugs, mental instability and the host of factors that usually accompany such events..... But there are elements of media, politics, and society at large, who are trying to stretch this way beyond what it really is. "encouraging fear" could be a partial definition of terrorism, and some of our politicians, our media, and even some of this forum are doing just that. I think it's entirely accurate to say many of our politicians, media and forum posters are becoming radicalized. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Oh you mean when you ACCUSE/IMPLY another poster of suffering from a mental disorder that requires medical treatment! Keep it up buddy! WWWTT Why is mental illness offensive to you? Stop stigmatizing people and pretending you support them. Quote
Icebound Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 ......... If it's legal it doesn't violate anyone's rights. ............. This is a very interesting statement. It IS possible for our government to pass laws which COULD, in fact, violate personal rights. For example, we could pass a law that police could enter your home at any time, without reason, just because they are the police. That would make it "legal" as in: "complying with the law", but also a violation of my rights. They don't do that, of course, because such a law would be immediately challenged as contravening the constitution and Pierre Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Does this mean that Pierre's legacy is becoming increasingly important in this day and age? Because without it, your statement could prove untrue.... Quote
cybercoma Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 It wasn't. That is pure speculation on your part and on the part of others who are desperate to find some reason for his actions which don't reflect badly on Islam. He was a loser. But there are lots of losers out there. He blamed others for his problems. Also not unique. He was a conspiracy fetishist, which you can find aplenty on this site. What radical Islam provided him was a comforting sense of outrage, a similar group of people who wallow in perceived injustices and use that as an excuse to commit violence, and as a hope to make something of their miserable lives in the form of some glorious martyr to the cause. This is first and foremost about perceived political injustices and a rallying behind those. Conversion to Islam occurs later. This is well known by our intelligence community and the international intelligence community. I've posted reports from them in the past that address this. Islam might be the way they keep people in line or a tool they use to make people comfortable with dying for the cause, but it stems from geopolitical struggles first. This is what's missing from the giant gap in your logic. With nearly 2 billion Muslims on the planet, a small fraction of them have an agenda. A small fraction of them actually engage in these activities. And what's worse is it's Muslims killing Muslims and killers/radicals converting to Islam, like this guy. This is why it's nonsensical to blame this on Islam and say Islam is the cause of this violence. It is political violence first and it is radicals using religion second. To say it's the religion first makes absolutely no sense when it's Muslim vs Muslim and when there's literally hundreds of millions of Muslims that do not condone these people. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 This is a very interesting statement. It IS possible for our government to pass laws which COULD, in fact, violate personal rights. For example, we could pass a law that police could enter your home at any time, without reason, just because they are the police. That would make it "legal" as in: "complying with the law", but also a violation of my rights. They don't do that, of course, because such a law would be immediately challenged as contravening the constitution and Pierre Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Does this mean that Pierre's legacy is becoming increasingly important in this day and age? Because without it, your statement could prove untrue.... It's not Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It's Canada's. It was given Royal Assent, but more importantly it was ratified by the provinces as well. Quote
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 It wasn't. That is pure speculation on your part and on the part of others who are desperate to find some reason for his actions which don't reflect badly on Islam. Total BS! I have already based my claim on info that was clearly shared with on this site. Try to do the same for your opinion! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Next time it happens I vote we send you in after the gunman. Win-win situation there... I apprehend the shooter AND get free publicity! We vote for Argus, and he runs in the closet with Harper constantly asking him if the bad man is gone! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 "Derangement" is a dictionary synonym for insanity. Are you denying that this person was insane at the time? Fair enough on the definition of the word. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Why is mental illness offensive to you? Stop stigmatizing people and pretending you support them. Why is mental illness a bad thing for you and an always an excuse for someone not agreeing with you? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 This is the guy who blithely dismisses any charges the Chinese government violates human rights, calls their courts free and fair, and says there's more freedom in China than in Canada... This is actually in the news on China's CCTV 4 WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Derek 2.0 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 You won't know until the law is passed. Well tabled........hence hand-wringing over laws that have yet to be written, let alone tabled or passed, is premature. Remember, giving CSIS more powers was what they were to vote on that day when the incident occurred. Overall the gunman is now a distraction from what the government wants to put into place in terms of broader 'security' powers, which will indeed violate the rights of Canadians. Said proposed powers were given media attention prior to the attacks, now post attack, I'm certain they will draw even further scrutiny as a result of said attack. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 That was a comment directed to Derek, let Derek speak for himself. He can debate with me whenever he's finished hiding! LOL! WWWTT I don't see any reason to hide from you, I typically just don't feel your posts warrant attention, and in turn, response. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Why is mental illness a bad thing for you and an always an excuse for someone not agreeing with you? WWWTT Have you not dragged this far enough off topic yet? You're the only one claiming it's a bad thing for me. Stop making crap up about my positions, especially when it's entirely wrong. Quote
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 I don't see any reason to hide from you, I typically just don't feel your posts warrant attention, and in turn, response. Ok fair enough then. But that's not the way I see it WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Have you not dragged this far enough off topic yet? You're the only one claiming it's a bad thing for me. Stop making crap up about my positions, especially when it's entirely wrong. Not making anything up. But I will put it to sleep for now. Lets get back on topic! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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