On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Yawn...failure to obey lawful direction from the police....good luck in court. Guess what? The video is on the news. They, in all likelihood, will, and should, do very well in court. Your predictable rendition is the yawn here. Quote
Wilber Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) And what is it about ECONOMIC FREEDOM that you don't understand? Financial oppresion is the same as slavery! And if you don't believe that slavery is the opposite of freedom, than you have no idea what rights really mean. And that's really is it, isn't it! WWWTT The rights of Americans (and Canadians) are guaranteed in our constitutions and enforced by our courts. Occasionally they are abused but there is recourse. That is what we are seeing now. You know very well that China has huge differences in the wealth and living standards of its people and real problems with bureacratic corruption. Edited October 8, 2014 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
guyser Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 You know very well that China has huge differences in the living standards of its people and real problems with bureacratic corruption.No Wilber, he hasnt a clue in the world and it is amazing that someone could be so dense. But on the other hand, he does provide laughs for all of us.....so ya know, he has that going for him. Quote
Wilber Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 The U.S. has many states and law enforcement agencies. Police can stop and detain people under certain conditions. "Stop and identify" states are indicated in red below: So what is considered identification, just giving your name? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
guyser Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 So what is considered identification, just giving your name?In some places yes, but missing (on purpose of course) is that Police have to have RS or PC to ID a person . IN this case the man did not have to ID himself since it was obvious they had no reason to do so. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 So what is considered identification, just giving your name? Yes, but that varies by jurisdiction. Providing false information to the police can also be considered a crime. Basically the courts have held that the cops have the leeway and responsibility to process the scene and detain folk until it can be determined that they are not perps needing arrest. That's why they tell people to "sit tight" or "have a seat on the curb". It's usually the idiots (drunk or not) who want to get special treatment that causes such a fuss. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 And what would have happened in China in a similar case? WWWTT The guy would have been dragged out of the car and would now be on his way to a work camp. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 They were even luckier not to be at the Vancouver airport !That remark doesn't taze phase me one bit. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WWWTT Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 The rights of Americans (and Canadians) are guaranteed in our constitutions and enforced by our courts. Occasionally they are abused but there is recourse. That is what we are seeing now. You know very well that China has huge differences in the wealth and living standards of its people and real problems with bureacratic corruption. I would challenge your use of the word "occasionally" Furthermore, the rights that North American have I find to be shallow. And finally, you're not going to find a large country like China, USA, Brazil, India etc to be free from flaw. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 The guy would have been dragged out of the car and would now be on his way to a work camp. Ya it's called a "job"! And he would then be able to have a what is called a "life"! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Ya it's called a "job"! And he would then be able to have a what is called a "life"! WWWTT Boy, your taking that PPD thing to a whole new level. Good going. Quote
Wilber Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I would challenge your use of the word "occasionally" Furthermore, the rights that North American have I find to be shallow. And finally, you're not going to find a large country like China, USA, Brazil, India etc to be free from flaw. WWWTT Challenge it all you want but you have rights in this country that the police or government cannot take away from you. You may have to fight to have them recognized but they can't be taken away. That isn't shallow, it's the foundation of any free society. No country is without flaws and I am not bad mouthing China or anyone else, they have the right to run their countries as they see fit. It is pretty obvious that our model doesn't fit every culture. Right now China is in a stage of relatively unfettered cowboy capitalism, but that is about the only area they have more personal freedom than us and they will only have it as long as their Politburo wants it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 Ya it's called a "job"! And he would then be able to have a what is called a "life"! WWWTT Ain't nothing like a "job" in a work camp to enhance your "life". I hear that all the time. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 That remark doesn't taze phase me one bit. Bravo jbg, that got a laugh out of me. Sometimes even lawyers can be funny now and then. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 If you happen to be looking at TV this family is about to be interviewed on CNN. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 I wonder if the cops were checked for steroids. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 Yes, but that varies by jurisdiction. Providing false information to the police can also be considered a crime. Basically the courts have held that the cops have the leeway and responsibility to process the scene and detain folk until it can be determined that they are not perps needing arrest. That's why they tell people to "sit tight" or "have a seat on the curb". It's usually the idiots (drunk or not) who want to get special treatment that causes such a fuss. Not having to sit on the curb is your idea of "special treatment"? tsk, tsk! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 I'd rather shut up and sit on the curb than get tazed to death for speaking Polish. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 I'd rather shut up and sit on the curb than get tazed to death for speaking Polish. That might be a good idea. I see you may just have another Mike Brown type case on your hands in St Louis. Don't worry, Canada will never even come close to the US record for this kind of violence. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 That might be a good idea. I see you may just have another Mike Brown type case on your hands in St Louis. Don't worry, Canada will never even come close to the US record for this kind of violence. He keeps bringing up one incident from 7 years ago. There were several in the US this month. Just ignore him. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 He keeps bringing up one incident from 7 years ago. There were several in the US this month. Just ignore him. It's never hard to detect the covert jealousy of our superior system. Quote
Argus Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Ya it's called a "job"! And he would then be able to have a what is called a "life"! WWWTT A rather limited one. Slave labour camps are not noted for fun living. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 A rather limited one. Slave labour camps are not noted for fun living. Hey now, how can you scoff at a job for life with a place to live thrown in? OK pounding rocks in the hot sun is not fun, but hey, it beats the "alternative".if you get my drift. Quote
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